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Ryan Faulkner
(ryanf) - F

Locale: Mid atlantic, No. Cal
New montbell site on 04/19/2007 17:53:35 MDT Print View

I cant find any weights listed anywhere?

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643)

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: New montbell site on 04/19/2007 18:00:06 MDT Print View

When you click on an item detail there are several tabs. Click on the TECH SPECS tab and the weight will be listed.

Ryan Faulkner
(ryanf) - F

Locale: Mid atlantic, No. Cal
Re: Re: New montbell site on 04/19/2007 18:10:37 MDT Print View

where are the tabs located?

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
tech specs on Montbell site? on 04/19/2007 18:15:02 MDT Print View

At least using my Mac's Safari browser(latest version), there are no tech spec tabs to be found.

Ryan Faulkner
(ryanf) - F

Locale: Mid atlantic, No. Cal
Re: tech specs on Montbell site? on 04/19/2007 18:15:46 MDT Print View

im using a mac as well, ill go see if i can find it on my PC

Ryan Faulkner
(ryanf) - F

Locale: Mid atlantic, No. Cal
Re: Re: tech specs on Montbell site? on 04/19/2007 18:17:34 MDT Print View

That solved it.

sry mac users

Ulrika Dahlin
(ulrika) - F
Works with Firefox on Mac on 04/19/2007 18:20:03 MDT Print View

It didn't work on Safari, but it works on Firefox on Mac.

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Montbell tech tab and browsers on 04/19/2007 18:27:45 MDT Print View

Funny, I just tried with the Mac versions of Firefox 2 and Microsquash Explorer.
No joy.

This is on a new Intel Mac.

update---pre-mature on Firefox---Joy at last. Glad I'm getting the Cocoon Pants.

Edited by kdesign on 04/19/2007 18:32:16 MDT.

Ulrika Dahlin
(ulrika) - F
Firefox 1.5.0.11 on 04/19/2007 18:32:29 MDT Print View

It works on Firefox 1.5.0.11 on a Macbook.

But on the old website you could view the weight on the overview, without having to click any tabs, much better. On the other hand now it looks like you have some more info?

Roger B
(rogerb) - MLife

Locale: Here and there
Re: Montbell tech tab and browsers on 04/19/2007 18:35:34 MDT Print View

Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Intel Mac you get the Tech Specs but they do not appear on Safari 2.0.4

Hmmmmm

Joshua Mitchell
(jdmitch) - F

Locale: Kansas
Re: Re: Montbell tech tab and browsers on 04/20/2007 07:01:56 MDT Print View

"Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Intel Mac you get the Tech Specs but they do not appear on Safari 2.0.4

Hmmmmm"

Likely as not, it's a CSS standard or something else that Webkit (the rendering engine that Safari is built on) does not support yet. That or... Apple really hasn't updated the version of Webkit that they use in a while. If you use Shirra or Sunrise (both Profiled in MarMerc's Freeloader Friday Specialized Browsers), you can choose to use them with the Webkit nightly build which likely works. (Note, I *think* it's possible to update Safari to the new webkit, but that's a little beyond my ken)

dislaimer: I've not actually had an opportunity to use either of the browsers yet as my work computer is a M$ machine and I don't get on my home computer much (I LOVE macs) as when I get home at night about all I want to do is play with my son and talk with my wife.

Edited by jdmitch on 04/20/2007 07:03:17 MDT.

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: Re: Re: Montbell tech tab and browsers on 04/20/2007 09:26:15 MDT Print View

Pretty bad for a company of their size not to do proper browser testing.

Edited by davidlewis on 04/21/2007 07:48:22 MDT.

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: Re: Re: Re: Montbell tech tab and browsers on 04/20/2007 10:04:53 MDT Print View

The code actually looks pretty good... javascript is over-used where CSS would suffice... but the code is good and mostly standards compliant... save for some invalid ID characters (slashes) and unclosed input and img tags.

The issue is that the author has used text-indent:-9999px; to hide text equivilants for the tab links offscreen... so Safari is moving the entire link -9999px to the left... instead of just the text contained within the link. I've often found using text-indent to hide text problematic and unpredictable. Better to wrap the text inside the links with another element (like <span>) and then write a declaration like...

#dispCont div.tabCont h3 a span {
position:absolute;
left:-9999px;
}

I'm not familiar enough with the W3 spec to know if Safari is behaving properly or not... but the fact remains that simple browser testing would have caught this rather nasty issue. Safari accounts for the **vast** majority of Mac users.

Edited by davidlewis on 04/20/2007 10:07:28 MDT.

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Montbell and Safari on 04/20/2007 10:57:59 MDT Print View

>>Safari accounts for the **vast** majority of Mac users.

To be sure, David. I hate dancing between browsers. The sites I generally frequent ( and they are many due to professional related work) are in the vast majority of cases, Safari functional. These include the many European and E. Asian design and manufacturing sites I have to interface with.

Joshua Mitchell
(jdmitch) - F

Locale: Kansas
Browser Code Analysis on 04/20/2007 11:02:06 MDT Print View

"The code actually looks pretty good..."

Okay, so I didn't understand most of what you said... but I have a lot of respect for whatever you said.

Anyhow, many corporations do ignore macs as a whole, unfortunately...

Mark Larson
(mlarson) - MLife

Locale: Southeast USA
Re: Browser Code Analysis on 04/20/2007 11:32:29 MDT Print View

Yep, that's pretty sad. Perhaps a few messages via their contact form will let them know to get it fixed.

-Mark

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: Re: Browser Code Analysis on 04/20/2007 18:36:15 MDT Print View

I actually did send them a messsage. Very polite. Just pointed out the error and suggested that they do more testing on the Mac. I even gave them the solution :) With any luck... it will get forwarded to someone who can actually fix it. It's a 2 minute fix. Super easy... if you have access to the files.

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Code analysis action on 04/20/2007 18:46:41 MDT Print View

Thanks, David. I had also emailed Montbell, earlier today, and brought their attention to this thread.

Now to see how much they care.

Eric Noble
(ericnoble) - MLife

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: Code analysis action on 04/23/2007 08:51:23 MDT Print View

I just went to the Montbell site using Safari and the tabs appeared and worked. I'll betcha someone really appreciated David's code!

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
User Noise+Code = Action on 04/23/2007 10:13:45 MDT Print View

So they did. Good work David and thank you, Montbell.