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Ben H.
(bzhayes) - F

Locale: So. California
The perfect cookset (in my brain) on 02/26/2013 11:23:54 MST Print View

I can't figure out why no manufacturer seems to produce the perfect cookset that I picture in my brain. Here is what I have in mind:

- material: Titanium or Aluminum... but I always picture aluminum because I am cheap.

- pot with no handle or attachment point. Why add all that junk on? With a lip on the pot you can stably pick it up with a pot grabber, plus you know the pot handle is not heating up from your stove.

- size: somewhat equal height to diameter ratio so it can be used efficiently with a stove and also be used as an eating pot/bowl.

- nicely fitting lid/fry pan/plate. It can be used as a cover for the pot, but also flipped over and used a frying pan. It should have the little metal attachment point for the pot grabber so it can be picked up either upside down (as a lid) or right side up (as a fry pan).

The MSR Alpine is pretty much exactly what I am describing, but for some unknown reason they decided to make the thing out of stainless steal so it is ridiculously heavy.

http://www.rei.com/product/401120/msr-alpine-4-pot-set

Am I crazy? Is this out their or shouldn't it be? I know ultra-light purist would scoff at having a fry pan, but having freshly fried trout overlooking a high Sierra lake is sublime.

Ian Van Halen
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
MSR Alpine on 02/26/2013 11:30:41 MST Print View

I have the 750ml MSR Alpine. Like you said, good pot but heavy. I've used it on fishing trips and have used the lid to fry fish on a campfire.

Even though Titanium isn't good for frying, I'm pondering the idea of using the Snowpeak Titanium plate to fry fish. I've never thrown fish wrapped in foil directly into the coals but that seems like it would work too.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: perfect cook pot on 02/26/2013 11:57:28 MST Print View

I want a non-stick Ti mini wok. I might concede to hard anodized aluminum.

Woks are designed to cook on small intense heat sources, with food cut into small prices for quick cooking and efficient use of fuel. That seems to fit backpacking to a tee.

Imagine something the size of a SnowPeak bowl, but more wok-shaped. It could be used with a Caldera Cone, canister stove or a tiny campfire. I would want a decent handle to aid stability when stir-frying. Add a vee in the rim for pouring and a light simple lid, or make the lid domed to also be used as a bowl and nest in the wok.

With all the Asian manufacturers of Ti cookware, I'm surprised this hasn't been done. You can buy 12"-14" models for $180 or so.

Edited by dwambaugh on 02/26/2013 12:00:06 MST.

Jon Fong
(jonfong) - F - M

Locale: FLAT CAT GEAR
Re: The perfect cookset (in my brain) on 02/26/2013 12:35:47 MST Print View

Are these close?

Evernew
http://www.evernewamerica.com/ECA418.htm

Primus
http://www.primus.eu/templates/pages/product.aspx?ItemId=38009

Ben H.
(bzhayes) - F

Locale: So. California
Re: Re: The perfect cookset (in my brain) on 02/26/2013 13:33:48 MST Print View

>>Are these close?

close, but they have attached handles and they are crazy expensive.

Phillip Asby
(PGAsby) - M

Locale: North Carolina
question on handles on 02/26/2013 14:04:35 MST Print View

Just a question - but is a pot grabber tha much lighter than the conventional folding wire handles?

I've only owned pots with handles - and appreciate not having to keep track of another component given I would think it doesn't add appreciably to the weight.

I know some folks really like grabber based pots so maybe it is also what we are used to?

Mike R
(redpoint) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Ti on 02/26/2013 14:13:45 MST Print View

Most of my cooking in the backcountry involves boiling water and melting snow - that's it. I only use titanium pots - they're light, tough, and work just fine for melting snow/boiling water. I have 3 MSR Titan pots: a 2 litre, a 1.5 litre and a 1 litre. The 1/1.5 litre pot set is still available from MSR and weighs 9.6 oz./272 g [including 2 pots, cover, and pot lifter]. I also have a Snowpeak Ti Solo cook set. The MSR cook set is basically a lightweight version of their Alpine s/s cook set.

Edited by redpoint on 02/26/2013 14:16:33 MST.

Ian Van Halen
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: The perfect cookset (in my brain) on 02/26/2013 14:18:27 MST Print View

This is what I'm considering for frying fish:

http://www.rei.com/product/720285/snow-peak-titanium-plate?preferredSku=7202850017&cm_mmc=cse_froogle-_-pla-_-product-_-7202850017&mr:referralID=342c4edb-8059-11e2-97b3-001b2166becc

Re: Pot handles vs pot grabber. I remove my handles from my pots and use wool glove liners or a bandana to handle the pot when boiling water. I think I could get away with using my leatherman squirt to remove the plate from the coals.

Mark Fowler
(KramRelwof) - MLife

Locale: Namadgi
Ols Sigg billies on 02/26/2013 14:28:15 MST Print View

These old Sigg units in aluminium would fit your requirements.
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=72211
While they have a bail handle that can be removed. They really are the most beautifully shaped units with a frying pan lid.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: frypans on 02/26/2013 14:30:35 MST Print View

It will stick unless you have a load of oil, etc. I would count on needing to hold the pan above the coals to control the heat. An Open Country pot grabber is $4 at REI and 1.2oz. Wish for an UL spatula while you are at it.

I experimented with a bunch of really light (read thin) aluminum cake pans for UL fry pans and they basically sucked. The non-stick ones were all too heavy. That is why I wished for a wok.

If you get out of the fish-in-one-piece frame of mind, you can cook it better in a small lid-type pan when cut into smaller pieces. Fantastic when sauteed with good stuff like shallots, onions, garlic, mushrooms, etc. Do it somewhere other than camp-- your big furry buddies will smell it for miles :) A little white wine, a wild rice mix, and some freeze dried veggies. YES!

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Ols Sigg billies on 02/26/2013 14:36:04 MST Print View

Sigg made some well designed stuff. I assume the Asian/Ti market made it less marketable. You can find aluminum plates in nearly the same size/dimensions in some of the older 4-person billy sets. I'll keep my eye out for some.

Bogs and Bergs
(Islandized) - F

Locale: Newfoundland
"perfect cookset" on 02/26/2013 14:52:38 MST Print View

Sounds an awful lot like the Trangia sets: 1L saucepan, 18cm frypan/lid, separate gripper-handle that fits both, now made in "UL aluminum".
http://www.trangia.se/english/2913.trangia_stoves.html

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Ols Sigg billies on 02/26/2013 14:59:53 MST Print View

I much prefer the Sigg Aluminum Tourist Kit.

Nesting 2.5 qt and 3.5 qt pots, a lid that works with either pot or can be used as a fry pan. Aluminum. Total weight is 17 ounces.

Sigg Cookset 1

sigg cookset 2

Ben H.
(bzhayes) - F

Locale: So. California
Re: "perfect cookset" on 02/26/2013 15:23:30 MST Print View

"Sounds an awful lot like the Trangia sets..." -BNB

I think your right. I always forget to look at the Triangia cooksets because they throw in a brass cat food can and call them stoves.