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Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
Re "wetting out" on 02/25/2013 12:33:59 MST Print View

I baby my WPB gear by hand washing/line drying to try and keep the DWR intact but my experience is that eventually it ALL wets out if the conditions are wet enough. I used to think it was just me, until I read Skurka's book and saw he had the same problem. I went to impermeable Helly Hansens years ago for very wet conditions. WPB's are good for drizzles and snow.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Warm when wet on 02/25/2013 12:44:49 MST Print View

That sounds great. I was hoping that I could get a very durable windshirt and not have to spend the money on a rain jacket that will fail on me. I do quite a bit of bushwacking. The wetness usually isn't the big problem for me, it's the wind.
Another consideration is that most of the time I am VERY warm hiker. I have been sweating in a t-shirt and passed people wearing light fleece jackets.
I would never hike like that without backups. I would always have a good synthetic puffy to change into and a cheap dri-ducks jacket for weather protection while setting up camp.
I would never wear a synthetic puffy while hiking. In cold rain I would most likely wear a mid-weight wool sweater and in rain that's a little warmer I would wear a synthetic. Or some combination of that.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
all even? on 02/26/2013 13:07:39 MST Print View

So, basically all WPBs and the Hellys are waterproof, the Hellys might shed the water better while the WPBs might absorb it in the outer layer. So the possibly the only real difference between eVent and other WPBs is that it could breath better before it wets out at which point it is the same as any other WPB without pit zips where a pit zip model might breath better or the same at both levels?

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: all even? on 02/26/2013 20:19:28 MST Print View

Yeah, but I would think that the non breathable rain gear would last much longer and be less expensive.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
wet & warm on 02/27/2013 08:25:35 MST Print View

this last couple of years of trail running I've experienced frequent "wet & warm" scenarios- sometimes it's just a long sleeve base layer w/ a windshirt, sometimes it's a base layer and a mid-layer (grid fleece vest or hooded pullover) under a windshirt

I've never been close to uncomfortably cold, but I am moving. Stopping for any length of time could be problematic (shelter from the moisture and a insulating layer would be in order).

What is surprising to me is how quickly things dry out when the moisture quits falling (and you're still moving)

I often only take a $.99 1 oz rain jacket w/ me on shorter hiking/backpacking outings where the weather looks promising, if I'm going to be out for any length of time or the weather looks less than promising- I'll throw in my Helium

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: wet & warm on 02/28/2013 23:33:32 MST Print View

Kinda off topic, but I have noticed that I can be wet and warm while active, but as soon as a I stop all of the moisture wreaks havoc on my core temperature. I end up going through crazy cool downs that can send me into shivers.
I spent a night with damp clothing and a damp bag once, I would get warm and then suddenly wake up with shivers. I think my body would warm up the bag to where it would start evaporating the moisture but the evaporative cooling with cool me down again. It's the same thing with clothing.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
Re: Re: wet & warm on 03/01/2013 00:11:08 MST Print View

Kinda off topic, but I have noticed that I can be wet and warm while active, but as soon as a I stop all of the moisture wreaks havoc on my core temperature. I end up going through crazy cool downs that can send me into shivers.

thats the trick ... you can generally stay warm even when soaked when active ... the moment you stop your heat generation plummets ...

which is why we wear belay jackets when we stop ...

and have waterproof gear for STATIC situations especially ....

the general rule is that you can survive being either cold or wet ... not both ... and you become cold the moment you stop

wear as little as you can when active ... and make sure they are quick drying, rather than "warm when wet" ... because once you stop for a long period, youll take it off and put on a dry next to skin layer and/or try drying em out with a hawt nalgene

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Re: wet & warm on 03/01/2013 06:26:01 MST Print View

As Eric and others have mentioned, best to be slightly chilled while active and have something puffy to throw on during breaks.

Some material are more hydrophobic than others, grid fleece or a loose weave sweater will have lots of dead air pockets that won't hold water. They will feel warm under a windshell even when wet.

As a comparison, I have a dense poly fleece mid layer that is about the same thickness as a grid fleece that I normally wear.

The grid fleece isn't as warm worn alone, but is almost as warm as the dence fleece under a shell.

The grid fleece actually seems warmer compared to the dense fleece when wet. It's also lighter and dries much faster. I have even layered two grid fleece sweaters in really cold wet weather, but it was too hot while active.

Still, it's nice to have that puffy down jacket to pull on in camp or while sleeping. Just don't hike in it:-)

Edited by brooklynkayak on 03/01/2013 15:56:45 MST.

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: warm and wet on 03/01/2013 15:46:04 MST Print View

"Has anyone tried wearing a hooded windshirt with a wool or fleece layer underneath and doing the wet but warm thing? The windshirt should block the wind and slow the rain considerably.
I have let myself get wet in the rain like this a few times, but never in really cold and prolonged weather."

If i was going to go that route, i would use Polypro instead--significantly more hydrophobic than even polyester.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
fully waterproof and add-on breathable? on 03/02/2013 17:20:04 MST Print View

Besides Anti Gravity Gear's silnylon jacket with pit zips is there anything similar that is not breathable but fully waterproof with the pitzips or mesh pockets? Preferrably something similar or cheap?

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
Re: fully waterproof and add-on breathable? on 03/02/2013 17:55:54 MST Print View

http://www.spadout.com/p/outdoor-research-rampart-jacket/#

if it doesnt work for you ... return it for any reason ;)