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Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 09:24:44 MST Print View

www.yamamountaingear.com/gear-room/complete-shelters/cirriform-sw
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19 ounce complete shelter. Looks mighty nice.

Edited by T.L. on 02/22/2013 09:28:12 MST.

Andy Anderson
(ianders) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 09:43:57 MST Print View

I happened to stumble upon this earlier today. Looks pretty close to perfection.

diego dean
(cfionthefly) - M
Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 10:48:46 MST Print View

Certainly looks like a great shelter! This might just be my first cuben shelter.... But ill probably hold out for some reviews first, so someone report back when they get one.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - M

Locale: Southeast
Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 10:56:13 MST Print View

That's a nice shelter. I wonder if the netting is sewn to the cuben fly, then taped over?

Ryan

Edited by ViolentGreen on 02/22/2013 10:56:44 MST.

Link .
(annapurna) - MLife
Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 11:24:09 MST Print View

Here second to last listing, and here second listed.

Duane Hall
(PKH) - M

Locale: Nova Scotia
Re: New Yama Mountain Gear Cuben Shelter on 02/22/2013 11:49:17 MST Print View

From the website: the floor is sewn to the netting which is sewn to a cuben fiber strip. This strip is then taped to the tarp wall, so no stitching in the cuben wall.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - M

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear Cuben Shelter on 02/22/2013 11:50:56 MST Print View

Ahh, thanks Duane.

Ryan

Link .
(annapurna) - MLife
Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 11:56:14 MST Print View

Dug Shelby has it listed in his May 2012 gear list .

Duane Hall
(PKH) - M

Locale: Nova Scotia
Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear Cuben Shelter on 02/22/2013 12:05:48 MST Print View

The only potential issue I can see with this shelter is condensation, a feature of all single walled shelters. I'm sure it can be managed though. It certainly looks like a nice tight set-up that will be very easy to pitch. Sweet!

Nick Larsen
(stingray4540) - F

Locale: South Bay
They have a double wall! on 02/22/2013 12:23:27 MST Print View

Did anyone notice they have the same tent in a full double wall for 2oz. less! only 17oz. and it looks like a few more could be cut if they were willing to do modifications on request.

http://www.yamamountaingear.com/gear-room/complete-shelters/cirriform-dw

Herbert Sitz
(hes)

Locale: Pacific NW
vs. Contrail on 02/22/2013 12:43:31 MST Print View

The single wall Cirriform looks very much like a Tarptent Contrail would if done in cuben.

Weights that Yama lists don't include stakes so for 6-8 necessary stakes add 1.5 to 2 ounces to listed weight. (I prefer Tarptent's policy of listing weights including stakes and stuff sack (I think Yama did include stuff sack). Tarptent also includes good set of stakes in purchase price, which most vendors don't.)

With stakes it puts Cirriform SW up close to 21 ounces while Contrail is at 24 oz (but Contrail needs seam sealing). That's probably a 3 to 4 ounce real world difference in weight b/w Contrail and Cirriform.

I expect some might judge the weight savings with Cirriform SW to be worth double the cost of Contrail. Others not. I tend to think the comparison makes Contrail look even better than I thought it did.

I wonder what the Cirriform would look like in "storm pitch mode". With Contrail you can pitch with sides down to ground, don't see any pictures like that for Cirriform. There are actually quite a few different pitching options with Contrail, wonder whether cuben version has same flexibility.

Edited by hes on 02/22/2013 13:11:42 MST.

diego dean
(cfionthefly) - M
Re: vs. Contrail on 02/22/2013 13:06:19 MST Print View

Would the contrail be as good a fit for a guy 6'2 with big feet pokin up at the sky? Looks like the Yamas designed the rear end and total length just a bit better for that scenario, but all Ive seen of both are pics and videos.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: vs. Contrail on 02/22/2013 13:33:29 MST Print View

The Contrail is a minimalist shelter and the weight savings by going to a cuben canopy will not be significant because the Contrail is already so light. At this
'level,' the gains in weight savings will definitely be marginal. To get lighter, you have to pay!

From a cost v.s. weight perspective, the Contrail is hard to beat (the Lunar Solo would be included in this catagory).

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 14:10:00 MST Print View

Would the contrail be as good a fit for a guy 6'2 ...

Using the rear mid strut (as I do) at 6'5" from the mesh door the Contrail is about 20" high 18' or so across.
A bit higher in the center.
That is when set up at my elbow height (45")
Contrail extra strut
(I have to edit to add an image)

Edited by Franco on 02/22/2013 14:11:54 MST.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Hot summer! on 02/22/2013 17:00:21 MST Print View

It doesn't look like the kind of shelter I'd want to be in on a hot summer night. I'd want to take a knife to the netting so I could get the fly higher to get air flow.

Brad Fisher
(wufpackfn) - M

Locale: NC/TN/VA Mountains
Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 17:01:37 MST Print View

Thanks Travis. Had to order one.

Brad

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 17:07:12 MST Print View

Haha! Glad I could be of help! Want to order me one? :)

I've actually been looking at the stratiform III because it is aesthetically attractive to me, but have a hard time justifying it since I own a Trailstar and HMG Echo I.

Brad Fisher
(wufpackfn) - M

Locale: NC/TN/VA Mountains
Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 17:57:19 MST Print View

FYI, when my wife ask about the charge I'm blaming you. Wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't bought two Zimmerbuilt packs the last month.

Don't worry about owning a few shelters. Given my 1 and 2 person shelter this will be number 13 (now 3 need to be retired), but that is crazy. I have got to sell a few shelters and packs.

Note to self...make appt with therapist.

Brad

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 18:05:48 MST Print View

Ah, it's not the owning of multiple shelters that worries me. Its *paying* for them that is troublesome!

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 18:11:53 MST Print View

@ Brad:

Can you list out your 13 shelters, and your packs too, including day packs? Enquiring minds want to know. :)

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 18:14:17 MST Print View

@ Ben

What this mind wants to know is how many of Brad's shelter purchases were enabled by you! :)

Brad Fisher
(wufpackfn) - M

Locale: NC/TN/VA Mountains
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 18:24:39 MST Print View

Black Diamond Lighthouse
Big Agnes Flycreek 2
Tarptent Squall 2 (ready to retire)
Sierra Lightning (first tent, ready to retire)
GG One
MLD Cuben Grace Duo
MLD Solomid Cuben
MLD Cricket Silynlon
MSR Carbon Reflex 1
REI T2
Golite SL1
MLD Trailstar (silnylon)


GG Gorilla pre 2012
GG Gorilla 2012
GG Murmur 2012
GG Mariposa Plus (older)
HMG Windrider
ULA Conduit
Couple old Granite Gears
Old Golite Jam
Old Golite ??


One reason I keep all these is to let people borrow who are I'm trying to get into the backpacking. That being said I need to sale some gear.

Brad

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 18:36:36 MST Print View

Shelters -- a clear progression from solid tents to UL shelter options -- esp. cuben!

Brad Fisher
(wufpackfn) - M

Locale: NC/TN/VA Mountains
Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 18:47:34 MST Print View

Ben

Honestly trying to find my way. Lot of trial and error to figure out what I like. It's about balance between weight and what works for me. I've learned it's not all about weight.

Brad

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Tell Me About It... on 02/22/2013 18:54:37 MST Print View

I know... I crave space and that makes it really hard to shave weight. I've tried so many different tents and tarptents -- struggling to find the easiest set up that also weighs the lightest but will give me the most space and comfort. Sigh...

Brad Fisher
(wufpackfn) - M

Locale: NC/TN/VA Mountains
Re: Tell Me About It... on 02/22/2013 18:57:53 MST Print View

I feel your pain....

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Tell Me About It... on 02/22/2013 19:00:51 MST Print View

Cuben Lightheart Solo. Fairly light, lots of space, great ventilation, wonderful views if you get the awning option.

Link .
(annapurna) - MLife
Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 19:10:55 MST Print View

protoype in the rain.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 19:17:49 MST Print View

Brad, what is your favorite tarp, and why?

Tough question because each is better suited for certain circumstances. But if you could only have one...

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 19:28:16 MST Print View

Gen's been fiddlin with that Cuben for a while. The vid (a la AO'L) is date 10/11.

I dig his ideas and designs, its just a headroom thing for me. (and wife) Steep walls

BJ Clark
(bj.clark) - MLife

Locale: Colorado
Yama Mountain Gear on 02/22/2013 19:45:24 MST Print View

What I like about Gen's tarps is the zipper on the beak so you don't have to crawl so much to get in the shelter. The cut of the tarp makes for a great shedder of wind. Slept the other night under a Terraform 2 in 35 mph wind, 14 degrees and snow. The tent hardly shuddered though the wind was perpendicular to the tarp. Just really well made. The new single wall Cirriform is causing me to debate tarp and bug shelter this summer vs the new version. My wife says she knows I'm going to try both!

Brad Fisher
(wufpackfn) - M

Locale: NC/TN/VA Mountains
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Yama Mountain Gear cuben shelter on 02/22/2013 19:55:35 MST Print View

The one I just bought. Isn't that always the case.

Hard to pick one when your backpacking home is the southeast, but you also do trips in the west. Also I like to to backpack year around. I'm also 46 and not 25 anymore. Hard to find one that does it all.

The Trailstar is the most storm worthy shelter I have ever used. I have used it is several really bad storms and it performed like a champ. However it is not easy to enter/exit and since I don't like a bivy it doesn't work for most of my SE trips. Great shelter and would be my favorite if I had to pick.

The YAMA looks interesting. The end entry is usually more difficult to enter/exit but this one looks wider which might make it easier. I'm hoping this will be more roomy, provide bug protection and light in cuben.

We will see.

Brad

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
I can't wait for mine to get here! on 02/23/2013 14:09:28 MST Print View

I also preordered one of these. It will be replacing my Hexamid Solo Plus, and I will admit, I will be losing some interior space, and gaining about 2-3 oz more, but I am pretty excited about it! I like the overall design as well as the use of both cuben and silnylon in each area.

Nick Larsen
(stingray4540) - F

Locale: South Bay
Re: I can't wait for mine to get here! on 02/23/2013 19:35:30 MST Print View

Chad,
Might I ask why the move from the hexamid? I've been considering the hexamid, but am undecided about the net floor.
What is it that makes it worth losing floor space and gaining weight, for you?

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
Re: Re: I can't wait for mine to get here! on 02/23/2013 20:14:58 MST Print View

Nick,

It is a tough decision, and I actually have the Hexamid listed in the Gear Swap at the moment, however, the more I think about it, I may end up keeping it anyway. It is a really great shelter, but my one hang up is the mesh floor. It is fine unless it is wet, then it tends to attract a good amount of water, and mud. However, I have learned to just set it up in grassy areas if I am expecting rain and this will alleviate the mud issue, however, I still have to tend with a water soaked mesh. To be fair though, if there is time to let it sit out when it is not raining, a little wind will help it to dry. Also, I have found that the tent handles condensation quite well, even here in the southeast. At times I have felt only slight moisture build up on the inside, but never much at all. And of course with all the head room, rubbing against it is not really a concern...

I have thought about sending the Hexamid back and asking them to sew the cuben floor I have to the mesh, which would eliminate much of the mesh (not to mention, some weight), but I am afraid that water will then run off of the mesh and into the floor. I think that if the mesh were sewn just above the edges so it had a lip this would not be so much of an issue, but being that the mesh is sewn to the edge of the tent, the water runs off of the canopy and right onto the mesh. Also, this will limit my ground sheet size options, although, this is not as big of a deal, but worth bringing up since I have used this tent for 2 people.

Anyway, as far as the new Yama Tent, it does remind me a lot of the Contrail, but of course not exactly the same. I actually like a front entry tent, I like the basic A-Frame shape, I like that it is fully enclosed, and I feel like it will be pretty easy to pitch. It is obviously not a double wall shelter, which some are already voicing concerns about, rightly so I imagine, however, the benefit is that this opens up all of the possible head room there is. Adding in a bug netting under a small tarp like this in the A-Frame tends to eat up a bit of head room... I don't expect it to be perfect, just as my Hexamid is not perfect, but at first glance I feel like it may be pretty dang close, for my taste.

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
It's here! :) on 03/06/2013 21:17:36 MST Print View

Today while I was packing my pack for a weekend hike, I got my new Cirriform SW tent in. Of course I had to take a minute to open it and set it up to check it out... and while doing so, I figured I would also do a little video on it. I obviously don't have much time with it, but once it was set up and I crawled inside, I was happy with the amount of room inside. As well, the tent looks to be made really well. No loose stitches or anything that would cause concern. I am looking forward to taking this tent out...

Anyway, if you would like a better look at it, check out my video on my blog:

http://sticksblog.com/2013/03/06/first-look-at-the-yama-mountain-gear-cirriform-sw-tent/

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: It's here! :) on 03/06/2013 21:20:11 MST Print View

Lucky B!

Michael Gillenwater
(mwgillenwater) - M

Locale: Seattle area
Re: Re: It's here! :) on 03/06/2013 21:40:23 MST Print View

I was getting quite interested in this tent. I like the blend of cuben and sil-nylon and somewhat reasonable price. Seems spacious, although am curious about the quality of the stitching. And it is taped seams, right? But Chad's video points to an issue. The rear pole seems to necessitate use of a 3-section collapsible hiking pole. So if you use a two section or fixed length, you are out of luck. I'm not carrying a separate pole just for this. Although I guess you can rely on finding a stick at each campsite. Does not work so well if you are above treeline.

Brad Fisher
(wufpackfn) - M

Locale: NC/TN/VA Mountains
Re: Re: Re: It's here! :) on 03/07/2013 19:32:34 MST Print View

Set mine up tonight. Great shelter with a lot more room than I expected. What a great company to work with. Fantastic customer service.

Just need to find time to use it.

Brad

Casey Jones
(cjsbug) - F
Re: It's here! :) on 03/07/2013 23:42:13 MST Print View

Chad, I look forward to your reports after you get some use on the trail. I'm especially curious about any regrets for letting go of the Hexamid.

Do you guys know how long this "introductory rate" of the CIrriform is going to last? or perhaps what the regular price will be?
I'm soon going to be in a position to make my first shelter purchase. I don't want to rush a decision, but I also don't want to miss a great opportunity.

Oh, by the way... I've been lurking here on and off for about a year. Probably a good time to say "Hi!" and thanks for the great resource all your experiences provide.

S Long
(Izeloz) - M

Locale: Wasatch
Re: Re: It's here! :) on 05/02/2013 19:23:26 MDT Print View

Anyone have anything new to report on this? Condensation issues, etc? I know a couple people have had them for a month or so now.