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Cole Crawford
(CDC43339) - F

Locale: Omaha
New GoLite on 02/13/2013 13:43:09 MST Print View

Not exactly a Gear Deal, but GoLite just put out their new gear. SL2 will be returning, but without a dedicated net by GoLite (or so it appears). Two new freestanding tent styles in 2p and 3p; the lighter weight 2p looks very competitive for the price point but perhaps a little cramped. Updated versions of sleeping bags and quilts for both men and women. New clothing and luggage as well. Doesn't look like any new packs.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
RE "New GoLite" on 02/13/2013 15:51:22 MST Print View

They posted it a few days ago, problem being it's a teaser because they still don't have any inventory. I like GoLite products but I don't know how they can stay in business being out of inventory on products for months at a time. They lost several sales I would have liked to have given them and went with another brand instead.

Kevin Manley
(manleyk) - F - MLife

Locale: Denver-ish
Now I want a new tent... on 02/13/2013 20:00:36 MST Print View

That Imogene looks a lot like an MSR Nook, but a pound lighter! If it is the same size, it would be a little cramped for 2 people. That's about the same weight as the SL1 was too.

The 30F quilt looks good, but I have a 20F from them that weighs nearly the same. Hmmm...maybe I need to sell a quilt...

Edited by manleyk on 02/13/2013 20:02:45 MST.

Bradford Rogers
(Mocs123) - MLife

Locale: Southeast Tennessee
Re: New GoLite on 02/14/2013 07:12:07 MST Print View

I hate it when makers don't list the fill weight of down bags or quilts. I have an old Golite Ultra 20 which I only find good to the mid twenties. Most people claim it is more of a 30* quilt.

Ian Schumann
(freeradical) - M

Locale: Central TX
Z-series bags and quilts on 02/14/2013 09:02:53 MST Print View

I took a look at the new sleeping bag series and I am incredibly disappointed. I remember at some point that GoLite had noted their new sleeping series coming this spring would be lighter and warmer than the 1-season and the Ultra 20 that have been much discussed here before.

Now what I see is:
1) The weights are totally unimpressive. 1lb 4oz for a 2-season quilt?
http://www.golite.com/Unisex-Z30-Quilt-Regular-P46992.aspx
That's no better than anything that came before it.

2) The prices are absurd. Suggested retail for the quilt given above is $500? Who on earth would pay that? So much for GoLite's vaunted direct-sale business model bringing dramatically lowered costs. It looked promising to begin with, but maybe those initial lowered prices were just old inventories being liquidated.

Poor show, GoLite. Super disappointed.

And E
(LunchANDYnner) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
"Suggested" prices... ha! on 02/14/2013 09:57:51 MST Print View

Yeah, their suggested prices are whack sometimes. I'm glad I picked up my 2012 Quest 65L pack when I did (<$100), as the price has gone up now. Their Malapis and trinity 3L jackets used to be $74.99, but now its $124.99.... still really competitive though. But the "suggested prices" are crazy for the sleeping bags/quilts... such as the adventure series... suggested price of $400 for a 650 FP bag? Crazy talk.


edit: Just noticed they changed their site a little since last night.
Their rush 20L daypack line no longer has yellow, and it is now 59.99 instead of 72.99

Edited by LunchANDYnner on 02/14/2013 10:02:51 MST.

Ian Schumann
(freeradical) - M

Locale: Central TX
Re: suggested prices on 02/14/2013 09:59:36 MST Print View

I do agree that some of their prices are still competitive. The suggested prices are laughable across the board, though. But yeah, some of their clothing, packs, and even some of the new shelters have fairly respectably low price points. I can see they're doing some good work in some areas, but those quilts ... man ... what a letdown.

josh woods
(rambo) - F

Locale: sandiego ca
jam packs are in stock on 02/14/2013 11:11:00 MST Print View

Jam packs are back in stock. there seems to be a run on these things latly even ebay has been selling them like hotcakes maybe this will fill the need all colors sizes ready to ship and still priced pretty good.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: jam packs are in stock on 02/14/2013 11:13:24 MST Print View

Do they have frames now or will they carry like crap as before?

josh woods
(rambo) - F

Locale: sandiego ca
jam pack on 02/14/2013 11:24:54 MST Print View

i am not sure how they will carry but i will tell ya in a week or to! if it does not work well keep an eye out in the gear exchange;) i am using a mariposa plus now and i love it but thought i would give the jam a go since there must be something to stampede of people buying them? am i a sucker... maybe.

William Chilton
(WilliamC3) - MLife

Locale: Antakya
Re: Z-series bags and quilts on 02/14/2013 12:44:32 MST Print View

"The weights are totally unimpressive. 1lb 4oz for a 2-season quilt?
http://www.golite.com/Unisex-Z30-Quilt-Regular-P46992.aspx
That's no better than anything that came before it.
The prices are absurd."

Enlightened Equipment Revelation 30 degree 6' Regular, 19.25 oz, $265 and much lauded on this forum.
GoLite Unisex Z30 Quilt (Regular)(=6'), 20oz, $249.99.
I don't really see the problem with the weight or price of the GoLite, since the EE quilts seem to be regarded as impressive for weight and price.
I know the Rev X is cheaper, but I think that would be an unsuitable comparison since the GoLite's Quantum GL is a very light and expensive material.
I'm not especially a GoLite fan, but the weight and price of this bag don't seem to deserve the disdain currently being pored on them, though as far as I'm aware we don't yet know the fill weight or dimensions.
Also, I don't mean to put down Enlightened Equipment - I chose the Rev for comparison as it seems to have similar price and specs and to be a very good, much loved quilt.

Joseph R
(Dianoda) - MLife

Locale: Chicago, IL
Re: Re: Z-series bags and quilts on 02/14/2013 13:09:59 MST Print View

Yeah, for the most part I find the new 850FP bags/quilts to be priced competitively. $400 for a -10F bag with WPB in the footbox and hood, and only 3lbs? Heck, a WM Lynx MF (western mountaineering's -10F mummy bag) has an MSRP of $645 for the 6ft version, actually sells for that much, and weigh 2oz more. If the temp ratings and weights are accurate, these could be a good/great deal.

Ian Schumann
(freeradical) - M

Locale: Central TX
Re: Re: Z-series bags and quilts on 02/14/2013 13:17:52 MST Print View

William,
You're quite right, and maybe I spoke a little hastily.

My complaint again is not that GoLite fails to compete with the market -- sure, I think they do. Clearly based on your comparison, they at least have managed to price their quilt at a similar number as Enlightened Equipment, which is a cottage industry that (I assume) doesn't enjoy nearly the degree of supply chain reach and economies of scale that GoLite can take advantage of.

That's fine.

But, GoLite has claimed that their new direct-sale-only structure is going to bring prices down and they'll be able to beat the market consistently. This was certainly the case for the back half of 2012, when their deals were probably 25% - 50% lower than the average for almost every item in their inventory.

Then later, we found out those prices were actually their CLEARANCE prices, not the new MSRPs as a result of the improved sales model. They introduced this gradually, and those 'Suggest Price(s)' on their website kept creeping up to keep pace. That's just shady. Others have said it here. I am concurring. Who exactly is "suggesting" these higher and higher prices? Who would actually pay $500 for what EE and GoLite both sell for $250?

What I'm ultimately disappointed about is that in 2012 you could get a whole range of quilts for under $200, or even under $150, brand new direct from GoLite. Now, with their exciting new lineup that was supposed to be lighter than what came before it, the quilts start at $250. It's true, this may be no higher than the MSRP for, say, the Ultra 20 from a few years ago. But that was before GoLite switched their sales model. They made promises during that transition that are not being delivered on, except for that short Q3 and Q4 of 2012.

Hope that makes sense. That being said, I really enjoy my GoLite gear. But I won't be paying GoLite directly for it anymore. Will have to hunt on the Gear Swap from now on, or wait for more "clearance" prices.

Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
fill weight on 02/14/2013 15:36:56 MST Print View

I asked Golite CS questions about the new quilt's fill weight and length, and received a "don't know until they get here" answer, which I find interesting, since they list total weight now.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
GoLite on 02/14/2013 15:41:11 MST Print View

"I hate it when makers don't list the fill weight of down bags or quilts. I have an old Golite Ultra 20 which I only find good to the mid twenties."
Me to, but GoLite usually has these specs via "online chat'. Your Ultra 20 is 9.5oz down - likely the same as the new 30F one.

"Do [Jam packs] have frames now or will they carry like crap as before?"
What's up with the inflammatory remarks? The Jam has always been regarded as being one of the better carrying frameless packs, but as with all frameless packs it is has more to do with how it's packed then the pack itself. Of all the things to diss Golite on, this is probably the least well founded.

"Who exactly is "suggesting" these higher and higher prices? Who would actually pay $500 for what EE and GoLite both sell for $250?"
The suggested prices are high, but they're not way out of line. I'd say 10-20% high. EE is a value oriented brand and not representative of what most quilts retail for. Katabatic sells their 30F Palisade for $390 and Nunatak sells their 32F Arc Specialist for $434. GoLite would probably tell you their quilt is higher end that either of these, with the WP/B fabrics at the ends. They could put together a plausible argument for a $450 MSRP.

Anyways, it's the 'suggested price' thing is semantics anyways. What really matters is that GoLite is selling a darn nice quilt for $250 - cheaper than anyone else. And it'll certainly go "60%" off at some point which means $200.

Edited by dandydan on 02/14/2013 15:44:01 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: GoLite on 02/14/2013 15:56:16 MST Print View

Sorry Dan, the Jam is now officially a heavy piece of frameless crap. When there are 1oz frames rolling about, the reasoning behind a 2lb, 50L FRAMELESS pack is beyond comprehension.

I encourage you to read Dave C's review of the Jam to see where it continues to fall short.

"Of all the things to diss Golite on, this is probably the least well founded."

Give your head a shake.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
z30 vs ultra 20 on 02/14/2013 19:02:59 MST Print View

Ian, the z30 might actually be a better quilt than the old ultra 20. I love my ultra 20 and it's still my workhorse. But it's uses 9.5 oz of 800fp down. The z30 uses 850fp. If someone can confirm with golite the amount of fill, and if it happens to be 9.5oz or more...than that's better than the ultra20 in my book, even if it weighs 1 oz more than the ultra 20. The fabrics have been upgraded, the warmth would have increased, and the weight gain is negligible.

Edited by Konrad1013 on 02/14/2013 19:03:31 MST.

Kevin Manley
(manleyk) - F - MLife

Locale: Denver-ish
Golite prices on 02/14/2013 20:57:30 MST Print View

While the Golite MSRP's seem crazy to me, so do the prices at REI, EMS, etc. I buy all of my gear on clearance or sales. And Golite has a LOT of them. I have Golite packs and quilts and bags and clothes. I also have that same stuff from REI, EE, GG, and others. The quality seems close to me.

My advice: Wait for the sale!

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
"New GoLite" on 02/15/2013 17:06:02 MST Print View

I still don't understand why people get their knickers in a wad over the MSRP because it's irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the price you're going to pay, and on that score I find Go-Lite to be competitive. I am disappointed in this year's shelter offering. I like their sleeping bag offering. But mostly, I wish they'd get their stuff together and actually get some inventory.

Daniel Fish
(daniel@fishfamilypdx.com)

Locale: PDX
... on 02/15/2013 17:33:36 MST Print View

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Edited by daniel@fishfamilypdx.com on 06/23/2013 12:16:12 MDT.

Daniel Fish
(daniel@fishfamilypdx.com)

Locale: PDX
... on 02/17/2013 14:10:36 MST Print View

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Edited by daniel@fishfamilypdx.com on 06/11/2013 23:56:14 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: golite external water bottle pockets on 02/17/2013 14:23:18 MST Print View

Wear it for 10 miles and then report back.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Jam on 02/17/2013 17:40:34 MST Print View

Sorry Dan, the Jam is now officially a heavy piece of frameless crap. When there are 1oz frames rolling about, the reasoning behind a 2lb, 50L FRAMELESS pack is beyond comprehension."

I agree that a 2 lbs frameless pack is a bit of a misfit. It's hefty for its targeted use.

However, the Jam has always been a frameless pack intended for lighter loads. Critiquing it for being frameless is like critiquing a compact car for being compact. The real issue here is that it's oddly heavy for its niche - it's like Honda releasing a compact Civic that only gets 15 mpg. If Honda did that, you'd ask why it only gets 15 mpg, not why isn't it a truck.

The Jam's gotten heavier due to feature creep and GoLite should work to reverse this, not turn it into something else. And GoLite has been working on this - it's gotten 2oz lighter in its latest iteration.

Edited by dandydan on 02/18/2013 13:10:59 MST.

Edward Jursek
(nedjursek@gmail.com) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Golite? Please! on 02/18/2013 01:47:17 MST Print View

I have followed Golite with some detached amusement. At one point, long, long ago, it actually made UL gear like the Gust and the Breeze. Long ago it moved to a mass market model and gained the weight the mass market demands. Do you want fries with your Jam 70? Then, it flirted with this direct marketing model that promised savings. Now, it has risen its prices to near or at Cottage company levels. Do you want fries with our absurd MSRP's? At some level honesty and integrity must matter, even at the cynical level of brand value. Golite is simply another corporation trying to exploit what it perceives as a niche market opportunity. I will be sending my money to places like MLD, Zpacks, and Enlightened Equipment, where the owners answer my emails, or are too busy hiking to get back to me for a few days. There is still honesty, integrity and better, lighter gear out there as long as we support it. I bought a piece of Golite gear during that direct sales honeymoon and have since sold it on the Gear Swap Forum. I just can't support them, defend them, or apologise for them. Golite's new prices just make supporting the Cottage companies that much easier. I am notoriously cheap, but I am OK if my wallet is a little lighter because I bought from someone like Joe Valesko or Tim Marshall. We get what we pay for. Lets hope that is not a UL market place full of companies like Golite. Please support the Cottage companies that have truely helped make UL backpacking possible. Just say no to Golite.

Edited by nedjursek@gmail.com on 02/18/2013 01:48:56 MST.

Daniel Fish
(daniel@fishfamilypdx.com)

Locale: PDX
... on 02/18/2013 12:02:48 MST Print View

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Edited by daniel@fishfamilypdx.com on 06/11/2013 23:57:42 MDT.

Randy Martin
(randalmartin) - F

Locale: Colorado
Re: Golite? Please! on 02/18/2013 12:30:49 MST Print View

Wow, the hatred on this thread for Golite is a over the top. Golite like any other company is trying to find the right balance for them and their customers. If they don't fit your particular ultralight sensibilities then move one. I don't hear the same hatred for The North Face, Patagonia or any other of the numerous brands that once were "Pristine" in your eyes but have now "Sold Out" to a broader market. Golite is company that probably has 100+ employees, not a cottage manufacturer of < 5. So yes at a certain scale you pretty much have to strike a balance between more popular features vs a full embrace of UL. The marketplace simply won't support it.

As for the Jam backpacks, they are an excellent entry into affordable lightweight frameless packs. Heck the Jam 50 is about the same weight as the HMG Windrider which uses Cuben material and has the same volume of about 50L but the Jam is about half the price. I have a 2011 Jam that carries perfectly fine, is highly compressible and durable.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Golite? Please! on 02/18/2013 12:50:23 MST Print View

The difference is that TNF and Patagonia never appealed directly to the UL or Lightweight backpacker. These companies did not become what they are today because of support from the UL backpacking fringe. Golite did. With the reduction in reseller mark up the consumer is expecting wholesale prices.

"Heck the Jam 50 is about the same weight as the HMG Windrider which uses Cuben material and has the same volume of about 50L but the Jam is about half the price. I have a 2011 Jam that carries perfectly fine, is highly compressible and durable."

Carries fine at what weight? The HMG is functionally rain proof, more durable, has stiffer and longer lasting foam, has stiff aluminum stays for effective load transfer and is made in the USA. It uses a cuben hybrid material that is extremely abrasion resistant - the dyneema threads ensure this. This is not the 0.74 oz cuben used for tarps. The dyneema gridstop used is 500d. You are not going to find a more robust under 2lb pack with a stiff 'frame' that can carry a load. Given all of these features it is still lighter. Or we can compare it to the Porter Expedition that is substantially bigger and still weighs less.

Cole Crawford
(CDC43339) - F

Locale: Omaha
GoLite on 02/18/2013 12:58:33 MST Print View

I agree - they are fulfilling a market need that other companies are not. I personally cannot afford to drop several hundred dollars every year on new gear. Even though the weight is heavier than that of cottage manufacturers, I feel that the construction of most of their gear is solid and it can take long term use. They are no longer catering to an ultralight crowd. Their name is not "GoUltraLite." There are cottage manufacturers to handle that niche market - and it is a niche market. Most hikers are not carrying 5 pound base weights, however much BPL skews thinking towards this segment. The sweet spot for many hikers is closer to a 15 pound base weight - that's very obtainable with budget gear. This is what GoLite is beginning to cater towards, and for me at least, I'm fine with it.

James Castleberry
(Winterland76)
My GoLite experience on 02/18/2013 15:13:12 MST Print View

I think from a historical perspective, the original Ultra 20 quilt and Poncho Tarp were important products and helped to introduce me and many other people to quilting and using tarps. I have three of the older Ultra 20s and one of the later models and even the older ones with less down were among the best "bang for the buck" purchases I ever made. We use those quilts not only for all family backpacking trips but the kids greatly prefer them to any other blankets and use them at home all the time. Amazingly no signs of wear or tear.
Other good GoLite products for me:
Adrenaline 0 degree sleeping bag: Very warm and toasty and not too bulky for winter backpacking trips.
Chrome Dome umbrella: Great niche product. In fact, their "Trekking Umbrellas" rock too!
Odyssey backpack: I use this pack for family backpacking trips with my two daughters. Enables me to carry bulk of load while they "go lite."
I also still use two older GoLite coats for backpacking: Inferno puffy coat and Salsa synthetic jacket. Both perform well and have been durable so far!
I also like their lightweight longsleeve "Wildwood" trail top, only 4 oz.

Cole Crawford
(CDC43339) - F

Locale: Omaha
Salsa on 02/18/2013 16:02:19 MST Print View

+1 for the Salsa, it's a great synthetic jacket for iffy conditions. I also really like my Pinnacle for larger loads or extended trips.

robert van putten
(Bawana) - F

Locale: Planet Bob
Jam 70 on 02/18/2013 16:35:36 MST Print View

"Wear it for 10 miles and then report back."


Uh, OK.


Jam 70

Works fine. The bulky load above is the shelter and what-not for my wife and I, as well as all the food and cooking gear for us and two nephews for an easy weekend trip. It was an easy 6 mile hike in to a lake that day, but maybe a 12 mile hike out over a rugged little 4,100 foot mountain the next day. I guess that meets the 10 mile minimum for the report?  .

walking in the rain

The wife likes her Jam 70 as well.
She carries all our bedding which is a bulky but light load. I reckon her pack was about 14 pounds that day.
Only reason I got the 70 liter Jams was because they were on sale at quite a discount. No bloody way I could have otherwise afforded new packs for both my wife and I, and I'm glad I got the 70 liter versions.

My wife uses the pack every week to carry dirty laundry down our mountain so she can go to a Laundromat in town to do the washing and goof off a little as well. It's her once a week trip off our mountain. She always did insist that she would not wash our clothes in the sink as our one neighbor on this mountain does, and in the winter we have to leave our cars some distance away and snow shoe down.
The Jam 70 is perfect for this, and she is getting allot more miles under it than I am under mine!

I like the packs quite a bit. The price is right, and they are easily modified. I am thinking about removing the padding so I can simply use my sleeping pad back there, but as of yet I’m still in a state of flux on pads so I’m holding off on that.
I considered removing the hip belt, but having hiked a few miles with the belt dangling loose I have decided it really does help. My wife loves the little pockets on the hip belt.
I’m pretty sure I will cut the load lifter strap off. I can’t see that they do anything and they always get in the way for me.
I might ax the little strap in front ( with a whistle built into the buckle! ) that connects the two shoulder straps. Not sure if that is doing anything for me yet.
Were those ice ax loops up on the back of the pack by the top of the zippered pocket? They are already gone from my pack.
The compression system is great, even the odd tiny clips on the bottom to squeeze it together.

The runner up was the G.G. G4.
This was more expensive and I’m not sure about the removable hip belt. All in all I bet the Jam carries a heavier load with greater comfort than the G4, but then never having used a G4 I guess I’m guessing at that!
All things considered getting our first UL packs was quite a leap of faith because I couldn’t try the silly things on first!

All things considered I we think did good with the Jam packs, and expect my wife and I to be using them for quite some time, possibly even for an AT thru hike next summer.

Edited by Bawana on 02/18/2013 16:38:28 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Jam 70 on 02/18/2013 16:49:16 MST Print View

Hello Robert. Strangely, I believe the comment was directed at Daniel with his 28.2 lb load, not your wife's 14 lb load laundry (I am still laughing at that).

Um, okay?

robert van putten
(Bawana) - F

Locale: Planet Bob
indeed on 02/18/2013 18:13:49 MST Print View

My load was about 25 pounds, at least with full food and water at the start of the trip. The kids had what amounted to day packs so I has all the food ( and the kids eat like horses ) and I had a Trangia 27, if you can belive that.

Of course everyone is different but I was not surprised when Daniel said it felt comfortable at 28 pounds.
Like any pack ever built, less is more...
And all frameless packs work best at the lower levels -
But I think the Jam works fine in the mid-twenties.

Uh....
Then again I have been known to carry pretty good loads - close to 80 pounds - in an old Duluth packsack
No frame, padding or hip belt there!

Duluth packsack

Of course that is for short hauls like canoe portaging and hauling up supplies.

Sorry about the thread drift.
My intention was to reasure Daniel that I thought he got a good pack and that it should serve him well.
After all, I own and use the same pack, often in the same load range.
I also live in Washington state, and snow work just takes a bigger pack and sometimes you have to carry stuff like shovels and that ups the load. No big deal, I'd just try to keep the Jam below 30 pounds, except for short hauls, anyway.

I mean, it's more comfortable than a duluth packsack...

Edited by Bawana on 02/18/2013 18:15:26 MST.

Steven Adeff
(TinCanFury) - F

Locale: Boston
Pinnacle on 02/23/2013 07:09:48 MST Print View

GoLite have renamed their Jam/Pinnacle/etc backpack series to the Jam with a volume number. They were previously all essentially the same pack at various volumes.

I have an OLD Pinnacle (4400cu/72L), the one without the hip pockets, which weighs 731g (1.61lb). I have used this as my large-load pack for the last two years and really love it. It's huge, which is great in winter as it will hold all the down gear I take with me. In the summer, when I go on group trips I can carry more load for my less physically fit friends, etc.

Maybe I just have a high pain threshold but whether it's a 4 night trip or 50mi/2 day trip, I've never had an issue with how this pack carries weight or bulk. I used to have a 5lb framed pack, which was nice, and a HMG pack would be awesome as it's nearly the same weight, but to say such harsh words about the GoLite frameless packs is unfounded. If I could have another 72L pack at <2lbs with a frame for a decent price I'd jump on it, but I'm more than happy with this pack, especially since I bought it for <$100.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Pinnacle on 02/23/2013 07:24:49 MST Print View

Jam's work best for those with narrow shoulders and smaller chest measurements ( the shoulder straps are too short for larger folks). Larger traps and wider backs do not work well with these packs. This is comared to the MLD offerings which are quite superior in these respects (as is the ULA CDT). I have never heard of the Jam causing pain so am confused by the 'pain threshold' comment. Uncomfortable in comparison to most similar packs but painful? No.

The Jams are loved because they are cheap and undercut the competition on price. Or for someone who has never tried anything else. Lets be honest.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Pinnacle on 02/23/2013 08:06:22 MST Print View

I should also say that the Pinnacle is not truly 72L, as per measurements completed by BPL staff. Not even close.

Greg F
(GregF) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Tent measurements on 02/23/2013 09:29:37 MST Print View

After many years golite has finally put the tent floor plan diagrams with dimensions on there website. This has bothered ne for a few years and should reduce the number of emails from me about dimensions

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
So much golite hatred... on 02/23/2013 13:35:28 MST Print View

+1 on GoLite being more of an in-between type "lighter" market. Some of us, in our gradual transition away from obscenely heavy packs were a bit nervous about trying the cottage folks. I, for one, didn't know most of what you guys were talking about in terms of packs and quilts and such. I wanted to go lighter but was afraid of going too far (there is no way I'm sleeping under a tarp!! She said a year ago...)

Go lite was my first quilt (bought on their site for $85 brand new) and the shangri la was the shelter that convinced me I didn't need a full tent all the time.

No, it's not the best gear there is, but they don't pretend to offer that and it doesn't mean what they DO offer doesn't serve a very good purpose. It's perfect for people transitioning, or learning, or who want to try a frameless pack without forking over $250. But I really don't see them marketing so much to this crowd, but rather to the REI one. And frankly, why be so negative about a company trying to ease people in the world of hiking lighter??

I would agree, however, that they need to work on actually having their products in stock :)

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Golite on 02/23/2013 14:35:26 MST Print View

n/m

Edited by dandydan on 02/23/2013 15:09:46 MST.

Dan S
(nunyabiznes32)

Locale: Pacific NW
Still love Golite on 02/25/2013 13:26:01 MST Print View

Long time reader, first time poster. Can't thank everyone enough for all the great ideas on making my own gear and getting my pack weight down.

As for Golite, my wife and I like their clothing line and I currently use a Shangra-La 3 with a BWD Pyranet 2 inner and it's been the ideal shelter for my son and I. And it's still pretty light for solo use. I'm in the market for a new sleeping bag and couldn't be happier about the new offerings from Golite. I'm considering the Z10 or Z30 sleeping bags, since I'm a cold sleeper, and got the following from Golite's customer service:

Availability date: March 11th
Down fill weights:
- Z10= 610 g
- Z30= 430 g
Dimensions:
- Regular shoulder girth: 60" (62" for a long)
- Regular foot width: 39" (40" for a long)

They said the bags are currently undergoing EN testing, but the results won't be available this season. Golite certainly isn't part of the cottage ultralight industry, but for mainstream retail, they're not too bad.

Edited by nunyabiznes32 on 02/25/2013 13:27:43 MST.

Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
Fill Weight on 02/26/2013 06:25:25 MST Print View

If that's correct, the Z30 has the same amount of fill as an EE Rev 20 regular wide. Both use 850 power down, I believe.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
fill weights on 02/26/2013 09:50:50 MST Print View

Joe,
I initially made the same mistake. Those specs are for the golite "sleeping bags" and not the golite "quilts." It doesn't help that they are both named "z30." So not a true apples to apples comparison against EE quilts.

Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
oops on 02/26/2013 12:09:52 MST Print View

OK, here's the apples to apples, from Golite CS:
Fill weight of z30 long quilt, what I'd be interested in: 370 grams / 13.051 oz
Fill weight of EE Rev 30 long reg: 12 oz, wide is 12.8

Tough for me to judge width. The only measurements Golite had on hand for the z30 long were footbox (39" girth) and "shoulder width" 28.5. The CS rep thought that shoulder width was the finished width of the shoulder position, which would seem narrow to me.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
the ultra20 is back! on 02/26/2013 13:18:59 MST Print View

Nice! Good find Joe. So they've pretty much revamped the old ultra 20. Given that the long has 13oz of fill as you stated, I'd guess that the regular has ~11oz of 850 fill.

If it truly weighs 20oz, then it's even better than the old ultra20 which was 19oz total, 9.5oz of 800fp down fill in size regular. That would be nice to see golite offering some competitive options as a fair price point.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: the ultra20 is back! on 02/26/2013 13:32:20 MST Print View

I just spoke to CS. The Regular is 12.3 oz of down (did not ask about the long). But the gentleman was reading specs and told me the shoulder width was 28", which is obviously incorrect. My three season Golite quilt is 58" (measured) and from my recollection about 12 oz of down fill in Long.

Edit: Golite got back to me and it is 54" for the Regular.

So it appears that they are the same size as before, with more (and higher quality fill), and lighter shell materials.

Sounds really great. Now about that price....

Edited by FamilyGuy on 02/26/2013 13:34:26 MST.

Bradford Rogers
(Mocs123) - MLife

Locale: Southeast Tennessee
Re: Re: the ultra20 is back! on 02/26/2013 14:21:32 MST Print View

That is better than the Ultra 20 which has 9.5oz of fill. I have one and love it but always said it would be perfect with 3 more ounces of down. With 12.5oz of fill, it should be good to 20* this time. And while $250 may not be cheap, it is a STEAL for a high end quilt.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
Re: Re: Re: the ultra20 is back! on 02/26/2013 15:04:53 MST Print View

I'm w/ Bradford. At $250, this is a quality quilt at a very competitive price point. If you compare it to Katabatic, this quilt is in between a Palisade and an Alsek, which run $390 and $420 respectively. This is a great deal given the quality down and use of great fabrics. And knowing Golite's history, I'm sure there will be a clearance on these at one point. But yeah, MSRP for $500? Hardly...time to drop the schtick, and just let the products speak for themselves, like the way the company used to be.

Edited by Konrad1013 on 02/26/2013 15:14:33 MST.