New 2013 Golite Gear
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Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
New 2013 Golite Gear on 02/08/2013 13:57:26 MST Print View

Tents:

http://www.golite.com/gear/tents-shelters

Sleeping Bags:

http://www.golite.com/gear/sleeping-bags-quilts

SL2 missing from the tent line; the SL1 was going away as expected.

Where is the 20 degree quilt?

Pricing: Obviously the low price to gain market share approach bombed.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: New 2013 Golite Gear on 02/08/2013 14:14:13 MST Print View

The 2-season (30F) EN rated bag (1lb 8oz.) with Pertex Quantum GL and the arid foot/head zone feature looks good. Pricing on the Golite bag is comparable to a Western Mountaineering Summerlite or the Marmot Hydrogen, both highly reputable 2-3 season bags. Still a savings, but not as significant as they were early '12.

Did their quilt receive a redesign? Width? Length?

Stuart .
(lotuseater) - M

Locale: 40°N,-105°W-ish
SL2 on 02/08/2013 14:42:54 MST Print View

The SL2 is now listed under "Shelters" as a tarp, but out of stock until April. At 1lb 10oz it looks like they are no longer bundling it with the inner.

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
golite on 02/08/2013 14:46:23 MST Print View

golite just plain sucks.

their stuff is mostly heavy.

when they do make something good, by pure accident i imagine, they immediately change it or discontinue it.

their stuff is never in stock.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
GoLite gear - new? on 02/08/2013 15:00:08 MST Print View

Dave,
Thanks for the update. That Imogene tent offers huge mostly freestanding space for 2#6oz, which could easily be brought under 2# with carbon poles.

But it is orange (gah!), and marked out of stock. Old tent discontinued? (The discount would suggest this) Or new tent marketed before it is available? (Boy, I've had my fill of that) Who knows.

Think I have to agree with M B. This company is so oblivious to both service to and the needs of its customers that is is really not worth even looking at.

Edited by scfhome on 02/08/2013 15:00:59 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: GoLite gear - new? on 02/08/2013 15:05:28 MST Print View

Samuel, no, this is a new model. I suspect by April it should be in stock but not sure. I wish the full dimensions were posted.

Eugene, I guess it might be the $700 MSRP that is throwing me off. Golite quality has never been close to WM!

Maris L
(Ablaut)
. on 02/08/2013 15:08:12 MST Print View

That Imogene UL2 tent practically looks like an exact copy of the Mtn Harwear SuperMegaUL2 tent, down to the fabric specs. Not exactly innovative, but admittedly a lower price point. If it'll ever be in stock.

Seriously, why advertise spring-use items if you won't sell them until well into spring?

Re: quilts/bags, nothing I see would make me turn to Golite at THOSE prices instead of better quality manufacturers.

Edited by Ablaut on 02/08/2013 15:10:35 MST.

Ryan P. Murphy
(rmurphy) - M

Locale: Colorado
golite direct sales and msrp on 02/08/2013 15:14:22 MST Print View

Because Golite has stopped separate retail sales and only sells direct the msrp is basically fictional. It's a marketing strategy where they look at "comparable" (what they consider comparable is up to them so therefore they can quote a price like a WM or feathered friends bag) gear and say "this is the msrp" but it's on "sale". Except it's nonsense, it's not on sale; nowhere will you ever see the bags sold for $700 or whatever. This is a common strategy in the luggage world as well (Victorinox loves to label bags with some made up MSRp and then the actual price to make it seem like you're getting a smoking deal). All games aside I am intrigued by some of the new tents and bags, particularly the -10 bag. seems like it could be a great value.

Tim Drescher
(timdcy) - M

Locale: Gore Range
Re: Re: GoLite gear - new? on 02/08/2013 15:16:05 MST Print View

So are these the "lightest free-standing tents on the market" that Demetri Coupounas said would be here last year?

http://andrewskurka.com/2012/demetri-coupounas-golite/

Sara Dhooma
(Sara)

Locale: Southwestern Ontario, Canada
Re: Re: Re: GoLite gear - new? on 02/08/2013 15:29:40 MST Print View

I asked the question in live chat.

The response was:
We will not produce a true solo tent this year. The smallest lightest option will be the Imogene UL 2.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Nice Tent, where are the packs? on 02/08/2013 15:49:10 MST Print View

Golite's strategy seems to be targeting the mainstream hikers as apposed to the UL niche market. Some of their products fit this strategy some don't.

The tent looks cool. Its light for a tent and not too expensive as tents go. Looks like a solid lightweight option for hikers who aren't gear geeks.

The sleeping bags aren't super bargins but the look okay. Again not the lightest but not bad.

Apparently no new packs. That's disappointing. I think Golite should try to turn out a really light internal frame pack. In my opinion frameless packs are too finicky for beginners. Something in the 2-2.5 pound range with an internal frame would be a more user friendly option.

samuel smillie
(sam_smillie) - F

Locale: central canada
Haters gonna hate on 02/08/2013 16:31:15 MST Print View

I don't really understand the hate on for golite. They've made good products like the jam and ultra quilt that people still seem pretty eager to buy. I'm don't know why anyone gets upset at the faux markdown marketing strategy they use. It's not like anyone here buys gear at full price anyways. You just wait until the price drops (which it always does) and then try to buy what you want before it runs out. Given that it does run out, obviously people are buying and their strategy is working. They offer pretty reasonable prices on products made with good quality materials if you are willing to wait for the 'real' sale to come around. Example, my girlfriend picked up a paclite shell for around 70 bucks.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: New 2013 Golite Gear on 02/08/2013 16:33:49 MST Print View

Imogene UL2 lighter than a TT Double Rainbow..lol

John S.
(jshann) - F
Imogene UL2 on 02/08/2013 16:39:53 MST Print View

Not exact copy of Mtn Hardwear. The Golite left out the footend 2nd hub and only has one hub.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
GoLite on 02/08/2013 17:03:55 MST Print View

The new stuff looks nice. The new quilt looks like a nice revision and should be a great all around quilt. It's reasonable at $250 and it'll surely go to "60%" off, which really means $200.

The Imogene tents look pretty good. I'm not a fan of end entry in general, but GoLite appears to have delivered a tent at a comparable weight to products like the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2, but with more real estate. I like how they lowered the cross strut to really hold the tent wide at the base. The vestibule looks well designed.

"why advertise spring-use items if you won't sell them until well into spring?
Because most of their old stuff is sold out, so it's either continue to advertise past gear, or try to get people excited for upcoming gear.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
Re "New 2013 Golite Gear" on 02/08/2013 17:16:32 MST Print View

I think GoLite makes good products. 3 lbs for a -10 bag isn't bad, and neither is $400. I'm in the market for a new cold weather bag. I've been looking at used Western Mountaineering bags and they still cost more used than this bag does new.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
New 2013 Golite Gear on 02/08/2013 17:24:52 MST Print View

"Imogene UL2 lighter than a TT Double Rainbow..lol"

And some are still not happy with the weight ...

Still, put two packs in the vestibule then see how the one on that side of the tent manages to get out in and out of the shelter.. "lol"

Each design has plus and minuses, you pick the one that may work best for you.

Edited by Franco on 02/08/2013 17:57:25 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: New 2013 Golite Gear on 02/08/2013 18:13:35 MST Print View

Just a couple of things. If you look at the footprint of the 2 person, it is 83" long which implies a length inside the tent of only about 84", which is short. It has sq footage of 29, which won't be enough for 2 people.

Regarding Golite's marketing model, remember that Golite has NO resellers and was to provide wholesale pricing to the masses. The pricing for their sleeping bags is not wholesale. Comparable (and likely higher quality) bags can be had at a significant discount. Golite simply needs to reinvent itself again, like it does every 2 years or so (yawn).

Alex Wallace
(FeetFirst) - F

Locale: Northern California
Imogene UL2 dimension on 02/08/2013 18:17:12 MST Print View

While the dimensions for the new Imogene UL2 are not listed, the corresponding footprint reports the dimensions under the "technical specs" tab as "Area: 51" x 83" / 129.5 cm x 210.8 cm." This obviously doesn't account for the oblong shape though and really all just speculation, but it should be close.

***edit: Looks like Dave beat me to it.

Edited by FeetFirst on 02/08/2013 18:18:18 MST.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
new golite products on 02/08/2013 18:51:24 MST Print View

Dave, you mentioned that "Golite quality has never been close to WM!" I respectfully disagree based on owning a WM summerlite, a golite ultra 20 and a adrenaline 40. I actually find them very very comparable after examining each company's choice of materials, construction methods, stitching consistency. I'm curious to know why you find WM so much superior (an honest question).

I agree, golite needs to drop this MSRP/50% off schtick. It's disingenuous and a little stupid in my opinion. It made sense when they first adopted the model (when the golite jams were under $100, clearly reflecting a passing on of savings by going direct manufacturing to consumer). They have since jacked up all the prices across the board, to the point where their "50% off" prices reflect true MSRP of their goods. Sorry, I just don't buy golite's proposal that the "MSRP" on a pack like the jam is over $200....what kind of pipe dream world do they live in where someone would pay that much money for a frameless pack??? Especially one that has gotten progressively worse with every reiteration (no I'm not strictly talking about "goingheavy," I'm referring to fit, choice of materials.)

It is very refreshing to see that they've essentially brought back the golite ultra 20 in the form of the z30 quilt. Considering that the golite ultra 20 was never really a true 20 degree bag (more like 25-28 degrees in my opinion), the z30 has upgraded materials and upgraded down fill power all at just 1oz heavier than the original ultra 20. I just wish they would publish the fill weights like they used to do. O yeah, suggested MSRP of $500? LOL LOL LOL

Edited by Konrad1013 on 02/08/2013 18:55:54 MST.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: New 2013 Golite Gear on 02/08/2013 18:58:12 MST Print View

I'm disappointed they are not carrying their travelite carryon convertible backpack any longer.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
new Golite Gear on 02/08/2013 19:18:21 MST Print View

Dave,
Thank you for the update and clarification.
There I went again, getting all judgmental like that.

A concern with these 10-20D tent fabrics is whether they will hold up very well.
There was a seemingly great Vango tent a couple years ago, but when BPL reviewed it, they found that the inner was prone to disintegration.

On the other hand, when Richard Nisley first started with his HH tester, as I recall it was a GoLite silnylon tent or tarp that that he stuck on the tester and found very waterproof compared to most else.

Was looking at that Imogene only from a solo plus dogs perspective, and for that it would be very roomy and a lot lighter than the 3# Wilderness Equipment Bug Dome with carbon poles I've been using because I love the space and awnings. Because the Imogene is wide for 2 persons at the front, it is plenty wide for entry and egress, albeit maybe not as much as a 'side-entry' tent. I like the forward cant of the front awning, that adds to both stability and rain management, plus the points made by Dan D. If the materials are reasonably durable, it could be a winner for solos and couples.

Some tents with similar frames are the EMP Kilo, Brooks Range Foray already reviewed on this site, and the Mtn HW mentioned above. Ordered and returned the MH last year. It just didn't look like it would stand up to the elements very well for a variety of reasons, including stability of the frame in high winds, and was cramped inside for even one person because of the 'pup-tent' cant of the inner sidewalls that the design allowed under most of the ridge pole. And a tent that sets up inner first is always a problem when needing to get into secure shelter in really foul weather. But an inner first tent can overcome this if the inner is high DWR fabric that will resist penetration during the setup until the fly is set. All things to think about with these and other tents.

Edited to correct Vaude to Vango - Sorry Vaude.

Edited by scfhome on 02/10/2013 00:11:41 MST.

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F - M

Locale: NW Montana
Re: new Golite Gear on 02/08/2013 23:30:38 MST Print View

I'm pleasantly, if mildly, happy to see the Ultra 20 brought back in the form of the z30 (assuming the specs are similar). I enjoyed that quilt a lot.

Still, at that price, why not just go with an Enlightened Equipment quilt? My Revelation 20° is significantly warmer (in the 6' version, it has 30% more down than my Ultra 20 Long did) and less than an ounce heavier.

I suspect it will look better once the price inevitably drops, but then you have to wait for GoLite's new, unpredictable pricing model.

Andrew U
(anarkhos) - M

Locale: Colorado, Wyoming
Re: Re: new Golite Gear on 02/09/2013 08:31:55 MST Print View

I've only ever had good experiences with GoLite gear. I own the Bitterroot Down Parka, various gloves and hats, and hard shells. All are excellent quality.

But the main reason I'm so enamored with GoLite is because I live only a few minutes from one of their brick and mortar stores here in Colorado. I know they aren't really considered a "cottage manufacturer" anymore (if they ever even were), but I really like being able to go to a specialty gear store and try on and handle gear before buying. Then I know exactly what I'm getting into (plus no shipping!). It's just peace of mind I can get that isn't available when I order from MLD or Gossamer or whoever. Having to rely on other peoples opinions, especially considering clothing fit, really sucks. My opinion may have been different not living close to a retail outlet, but it is what it is.

All that said, apparently in the last few days the Tumalo rain pants went up $10 and 2 ounces. BAH! Damn you, GoLite!

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
new when? on 02/17/2013 16:44:36 MST Print View

Just noted that GoLite has changed the availability date of the Imogene tent on their site from late this month to late April.

Sure, this kind of thing may be due to unforseen glitches in production and/or marketing. But it happens so often that one wonders if it is not really a game of tease. Maybe the best response, for all companies who do this regularly, not just GL, is to simply ingore them, as M B and I suggested at the outset of this thread.

Edited by scfhome on 02/17/2013 16:45:18 MST.

Phillip Asby
(PGAsby) - M

Locale: North Carolina
wow on 02/17/2013 18:01:15 MST Print View

I didn't realize go lite was so controversial ... I get the marketing issues such as they are. But as a newbie with a somewhat limited budget their products are an appealing entry point into lighter gear. I'll say this much I got a used feather 20 bag that saved my you know what this weekend on my first backpacking trip with my scout son ( his first trip as well) where it snowed and tips dipped into the low 20s and I was toasty warm. It was light and comfortable and very well made to my eye...

I'm a happy owner...

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
New GoLite Gear on 02/20/2013 09:51:16 MST Print View

Would you believe the GoLite site has just changed the arrival date for the Imogene tent back to later this month. Guess they've got me hooked now to find out how it all turns out. Clever, but not controversial. That would be giving poor business ethics too much credit.

Tim Klaus
(WWhermit) - F

Locale: So Cal
Tents are now in. on 02/23/2013 20:49:23 MST Print View

Looks like the tents are available now. I'm anxious for the first reviews to start coming in.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
Imogene 2 on 02/23/2013 23:06:21 MST Print View

I'm in. Pop-up heresy, and orange, no less. Price and weight got me.
Will report, but will only take it out if the decision is to keep it.

Thanks for the heads up, Tim.

Edited by scfhome on 02/23/2013 23:07:52 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Imogene 2 on 02/23/2013 23:31:20 MST Print View

Looking forward to the pictures.

Dan S
(nunyabiznes32)

Locale: Pacific NW
Still love Golite on 02/25/2013 13:29:40 MST Print View

Long time reader, second time poster (already added this info to another thread). I can't thank everyone enough for all the great ideas on making my own gear and getting my pack weight down.

As for Golite, my wife and I like their clothing line and I currently use a Shangra-La 3 with a BWD Pyranet 2 inner and it's been the ideal shelter for my son and I. And it's still pretty light for solo use. I'm in the market for a new sleeping bag and couldn't be happier about the new offerings from Golite. I'm considering the Z10 or Z30 sleeping bags, since I'm a cold sleeper, and got the following from Golite's customer service:

Availability date: March 11th
Down fill weights:
- Z10= 610 g
- Z30= 430 g
Dimensions:
- Regular shoulder girth: 60" (62" for a long)
- Regular foot width: 39" (40" for a long)

They said the bags are currently undergoing EN testing, but the results won't be available this season. Golite certainly isn't part of the cottage ultralight industry, but for mainstream retail, they're not too bad.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
. on 02/25/2013 13:54:37 MST Print View

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Edited by Konrad1013 on 02/25/2013 14:03:58 MST.

Dan S
(nunyabiznes32)

Locale: Pacific NW
RE: Still love Golite on 02/25/2013 13:58:51 MST Print View

The Z30 two-season sleeping bag supposedly weighs 24 ounces, but who knows until someone actually weighs one.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
ah! on 02/25/2013 14:00:32 MST Print View

Wait, I think I just realized that we are talking about 2 different things. I was refering to the z30 quilt and not the z30 sleeping bag. My bad. Any idea how much fill the quilt has?

Edited by Konrad1013 on 02/25/2013 14:03:18 MST.

Dan S
(nunyabiznes32)

Locale: Pacific NW
RE: Still love Golite on 02/25/2013 14:04:35 MST Print View

I think their naming convention is confusing with the Unisex Z30 Quilt and the M's Z30 Two-Season. The information above is not for the quilt.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Still love Golite on 02/25/2013 14:05:43 MST Print View

Those are super narrow bags but the fill weight should easily meet the temp ratings and successful EN testing for the 30 degree bag. The 10 degree bag is a little light on fill weight.

Ryan K
(thesergeant) - F

Locale: Ryan
Rainshadow 2 or Imogene on 02/27/2013 02:05:08 MST Print View

I'm extremely interested in the Imogene UL3 especially at the weight and price point. I have a UL hammock setup and TT Rainbow for solo adventures but need something larger for the wife and the dog. I was considering the TT Rainshadow 2 until I saw the specs on the Imogene. Now I'm having trouble deciding.

Greg F
(GregF) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Re: Rainshadow 2 or Imogene on 02/27/2013 08:10:48 MST Print View

Rainshadow is 78", the imogene is 66".

Now the imogene having curved poles will get higher sooner but not enough to make up for 12" of lost width. We put 3 6ft tall guys in a rainshadow and is was tight but doable. I would not like to go any narrower.

Alex Wallace
(FeetFirst) - F

Locale: Northern California
Imogene UL3 on 02/27/2013 11:16:59 MST Print View

I plan on grabbing the Imogene UL3 for trips with my wife and 2-year old son. I actually just sold my Duomid to help fund the purchase. I'll be sure to post some pictures and impressions when I get my hands on it.

Edited by FeetFirst on 02/27/2013 11:19:08 MST.

BER ---
(BER) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
GL Imogene UL3 on 02/28/2013 12:50:48 MST Print View

I have not had any quality issues with my previous GL products (2 backpacks, summer quilt, SGL-2, SGL-5 and a smattering of clothes) I like the looks of the Imogene UL3. My wife and I tend to like a bit more room to spread out than you strict ULers. It seems closely comparable in weight, floor area, height, to the Easton Kilo 3P, Big Agnes Fly Creek UL3, and Hilleberg Anjan 3, at a much lower price point. I'd like to see more pictures than the two stock photos. In my mind, worth considering.

Edited by BER on 02/28/2013 12:57:06 MST.

Dan S
(nunyabiznes32)

Locale: Pacific NW
Re: GL Imogene UL3 on 03/01/2013 12:45:56 MST Print View

In case you're not on Golite's email distro:


Golite Imogene

Loren B
(ljamesb)

Locale: London UK, Greenville USA
imogene video on 05/12/2013 15:24:10 MDT Print View

There is still not much information about the imogene 3 so In case anyone is interested I just stumbled across a new video showing the tent. The video can be found here . Enjoy!

Alex Wallace
(FeetFirst) - F

Locale: Northern California
imogene UL3 on 05/13/2013 11:55:31 MDT Print View

I received mine last week and have only set it up in the backyard so these are just initial impressions:

-I'm amazed at the packed size, which is about the same as my 1 person TT Moment DW;
-the poles (DAC) and stakes (DAC) are very high quality feel very sturdy. The guylines are black? I would have chosen a brighter color, but they do have a reflective tracer so should stand out at night;
-the fabric feels very thin (floor, canopy nylon, and rain fly) and I'm a bit concerned about the durability of the floor on Sierra granite. Time will tell;
-setup is very straight forward and quick to perform. It's a bit difficult to line up the seems of the rain fly in the proper positions. There are hook and loop attachments on the inner of the fly that must be used in order to line everything up;
-it's big! I'm used to much smaller tents and this feels huge to me. I plan to use the tent for our family backpacking trips (me, my wife, and toddler son)
-the single front entry seems large enough for easy ingress/egress and there is a slight overhang that should eliminate rain/condensation on the fly from entering the tent;
-the small pop-up vent is cool, but I'd like to see another towards the rear of the tent;
-with some creativity, it appears that the lower rear of the tent can be cinched up to facilite air flow; and
-I'm happy to report that after the standard hose test, everything remained dry inside. Also, I'm not sure why, but the fabric beads water like glass and dried very quickly - quick than my silnylon tents.

Our family has a trip planned for mid-June, which will be this tent's first trip. Although, I'm doing a solo overnight trip at the end of the week and may just have to indulge myself and bring this palace along. We'll see.

Fitz Travels
(fitztravels)
Marketing strategy on 05/13/2013 15:48:15 MDT Print View

Their comparable pricing information is more then just a marketing strategy.

Its blatantly dishonest.

Why would i want to do business with a company who frommthe very start is not only insulting my intelligence, but actively trying to hopefully take advantage of my lack of knowledge.

Edited by fitztravels on 05/13/2013 15:51:42 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Marketing strategy on 05/13/2013 17:42:39 MDT Print View

Why? Because they are still much, much cheaper than everyone else.

Fitz Travels
(fitztravels)
Your Right on 05/13/2013 18:00:52 MDT Print View

Yea, according to their own comparable pricing comparisons!

No, you are right... They are cheaper in most cases... But i have no clue where they are getting their data from formtheir comparison values.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Your Right on 05/13/2013 19:15:26 MDT Print View

I am with you on the marketing ploy. It is unnecessary given the prices are good anyway. I also find it somewhat disingenuous but my wallet is happy.

M H
(mthirsch) - MLife

Locale: Caribbean
Cinching up the fly at the foot on 05/14/2013 10:02:36 MDT Print View

Eh, I had to order by phone and they seem like a decent company so maybe better to focus on the gear...

Alex, my Imogene 2 instructions actually recommended cinching up the rear guyout like you said, they recommended running the line over a trekking pole or stick if available to raise the fly and improve airflow.

I am used to my five pounder so it seems thin to me as well, I'm going to make a light footprint from plastic dropcloth. The ground is always damp here anyway so I need it.

I really like it on first impression but of course to take advantage of all of the space you'll need to guy it out... aside from the door, four corners, the sides, and the rear. 8 total stakes, all of which are included. The guylines come attached which I thought was a nice touch, maybe prevent someone from losing one.

Henry Shires
(07100) - F - M
Re: Cinching up the fly at the foot on 05/14/2013 10:16:07 MDT Print View

".. you'll need to guy it out... aside from the door, four corners, the sides, and the rear. 8 total stakes"

According to the manufacturer and to Backpacker, the Imogene 2 is "free-standing". Really? I guess it is in the same way as several other models from other manufacturers whose tents need to be staked to make them in any way usable.

-H

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
"Freestanding" on 05/14/2013 10:24:52 MDT Print View

More and more tents these days are technically "freestanding" but guying them out is required if you want the full interior space. My BA FCUL2 is that way. I was aware of that before I bought it, though.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: "Freestanding" on 05/14/2013 10:41:15 MDT Print View

I set up the Imogene 2 yesterday and it only requires 3 stakes to set up (two for the rear corners and one for the fly) but does come with 8 should you want to guy it out more. I comes with additional guyline and a repair sleeve for the poles.

It is freestanding in the same way that a BA Fly Creek 2 would be except that it has an additional rear spreader pole by the feet so maintains a little more natural shape. In other words, it is no problem to pick it up and move it without collapsing the shelter.

It is huge for the weight.

Edited by FamilyGuy on 05/14/2013 10:42:43 MDT.

Paul Andronico
(Jakesandwich) - M

Locale: S.F. Bay Area
UL3 Photos on 05/14/2013 10:49:21 MDT Print View

Rear of Tent

Fron of Tent

Two Long Insulated Air Core Pads

Single Vent at Front of Tent

Jake's Foot at Corner

Fly from Rear

M H
(mthirsch) - MLife

Locale: Caribbean
Correction on 05/14/2013 13:43:49 MDT Print View

I didn't mean it *had* to be fully guyed out, but for maximum space (using with two people) and the best ventilation, yes. Just like with any tent I guess. But with one door maximum space inside might be more important.

I personally don't care about freestanding or not, I selected this tent based on the weight, design, and price.

Edited by mthirsch on 05/14/2013 13:48:03 MDT.

Tim Drescher
(timdcy) - M

Locale: Gore Range
Re: Your Right on 05/14/2013 14:41:06 MDT Print View

"... But i have no clue where they are getting their data from formtheir comparison values."

Arc'teryx?

Edited by timdcy on 05/14/2013 15:17:53 MDT.

Barry P
(BarryP) - F

Locale: Eastern Idaho (moved from Midwest)
Re: imogene UL3 on 05/14/2013 15:28:04 MDT Print View

I also purchased one with that 20% coupon. It took me about 30 minutes with the first setup. It was weird.

I’m not a big fan of pole and hub connections. It becomes unwieldy in straightening out the mess. I would have liked just 3 separate poles. I have a SD Sirius 3 that has a hub and never looked forward to setting it up.

The instructions are sewed into the stuff sack; nice. I just didn't understand the terms initially. The 2nd time only took 10 minutes. There are a lot of things to do-- like using the 6 velcro straps on the fly to wrap to the frame-- that slows me down. Anyway, the puzzler for me is--- how do you connect the fly to the corners with ease? The first time I pinched my fingers. Now I’m more alert. And then disconnecting the fly from the corners is another Chinese puzzle. I’m afraid if I use brute force, I’ll break the small thin rod that it attaches to. The thin rod can be seen in Paul’s 5th pic above. Any tricks for attaching and detaching the fly? Is this going to be hard below freezing?

And family guy, how did you set it up with 3 stakes? It seems like for full volume and breathability, all 8 stakes are needed.

Thanx,
-Barry

Alex Wallace
(FeetFirst) - F

Locale: Northern California
Re: Re: imogene UL3 on 05/14/2013 16:01:44 MDT Print View

Interesting. On my first attempt I had the inner setup in probably less than 2 minutes. Insptected everything, opened it up, laid in it, etc. Next I draped the fly over the poles, connected each end and then the corners. Probably another 2 minutes, tops. I walked around and tighted the fly down and didn't like how the center seem was way off of the center ridge line pole, so I unhooked it to see what was going on. I decided to use only two of the velcro tabs (the ones that line up with the hubs) on the inside of the fly to keep it lined up, which is something I've always skipped on other tents using these. Re-connected the fly, tightened everything up and all looked good. Once familiar with the setup, I can't imagine it taking more than 5 minutes all together. All bets are off if it's windy, raining, and on a rock slab though...

Re connecting and disconnecting the fly to the corners. I used a bit of a side to side rocking motion and yes a bit of "brute force," but nothing that I felt was difficult or at all concerned with. I'd say give it some umph and don't worry about it.

M H
(mthirsch) - MLife

Locale: Caribbean
setup on 05/14/2013 16:10:38 MDT Print View

Setup was easy for me... I guess because I am used to traditional double wall tents. It is just like our 4-person Sierra Designs family tent... including the "Jakes Foot" connectors and hub... but tiny and light. You will get used to the connectors very quickly; I struggled with them until I learned the technique. The velcro to connect the frame to the fly is standard on traditional tents from what I have seen. You don't have to use it except in very windy conditions IMO. It adds strength when guyed out for structural purposes.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: imogene UL3 on 05/14/2013 16:25:26 MDT Print View

Hi Barry, yes the Jakes Feet are interesting but one you realize how the work, it goes up in about 3 minutes or so.

Pegs? One for the vestibule, and two for the rear corners. Use the same pegs for the inner tent. That would be the minimum.

This is for the Imogene 2

Edited by FamilyGuy on 05/15/2013 08:58:07 MDT.

Paul Andronico
(Jakesandwich) - M

Locale: S.F. Bay Area
Setup a little challenging - UL3 on 05/15/2013 16:37:08 MDT Print View

I am a newbie, really only familiar with traditional crossing pole tents. For me, the poles took some getting used to with the connectors that hold the front and rear poles to the main center pole. But in general I would rate setting the main tent up as "easy" once you have done it a couple of times. The fly is definitely the more difficult part because there are clips (easy to miss) that attach to each end of the main center pole, and the center of the fly does not want to line up with the ridge pole unless you use the velcro straps. Not too big a deal, but certainly more of a pain than attaching the fly to a traditional 2-pole tent. I feel that this tent will withstand wind and rain very well, as it has a low, slim profile and the fly comes down very low to the ground. The latter point makes me a bit nervous about ventilation, as it only has one at the back end of the tent. I am taking it into the Desolation Wilderness for three nights with my son in June, and will give more feedback then.

Edited by Jakesandwich on 05/15/2013 17:52:53 MDT.

Kyle Phakkhonkham
(thebigmoose)

Locale: Western New York
Z30 quilt on 05/23/2013 16:21:49 MDT Print View

Has anyone had any experience with this revision? I noticed these were on sale and for 221.00 shipped seems too good to be true. I was going to wait for a Katabatic Palisade but at nearly half the cost and no wait I'm seriously tempted. This would be my first light bag and I'd rather spend the money on a quality product from the get go.