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GGG 5 burnoff results and other info?
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USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
GGG 5 burnoff results and other info? on 02/03/2013 12:07:22 MST Print View

I'm sure the burnoff of woodstoves and alcohol fired stoves was a hit, but can the rest of us get some insight on how things went? The results may not be conclusive if only one "heat" was run, but how did things go or were things too close to call? Any other news, new gear, prototypes etc.? I did not attend, but I picked up the demo Borah bivy from John when I sent an email asking if a cuben bivy could be modded, got lucky on my find at a great price.
Duane

David Gardner
(GearMaker) - M

Locale: Northern California
Re: GGG 5 burnoff results and other info? on 02/03/2013 13:00:23 MST Print View

Duane,
There was only one "heat" run, and only for wood-burning stoves. It was very close in the end, between the winner (he built his stove from a steel can the day before the event) and another contestant using a small battery-powered fan (air mattress inflator?) to blow air into his rig.

I had been hoping for an alcohol burn off too, but that did not occur. Hopefully next year, as I have a competition rig for the alcohol contest.competition rig

There was a secret showing of prototypes by Six Moon Designs, Borah had some tarps up, Trail Designs was showing off their new 32 oz "Monster" energy drink Caldera model, and I showed off the polycryo tarp and trekking poles that I'm marketing.tarp

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: GGG 5 burnoff results and other info? on 02/03/2013 15:43:13 MST Print View

David

We should only have 1/2 ounce fuel from the same alcohol can and have to come to full boil with 2 cups.
Then things would get interesting.

Edited by awsorensen on 02/03/2013 15:44:22 MST.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
GGG 5 burnoff results and other info on 02/03/2013 18:18:58 MST Print View

Thank you David. When things settle down (tarp/quilt buying if at all) I'll have to see about getting one of your stoves, seeing as I collect stoves. Almost to 90 now.

On fuel at the start, I don't know if it applies to all or just some alky stoves, but I seem to get better mileage by starting with more fuel than I need. Say an oz. versus starting with half an oz. Boil times are still good, just a sideline observation. Maybe when the contests are run, maybe have two divisions, one for efficiency (within a reasonable time) and for speed.
Duane

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
GGG 5 burnoff results. on 02/03/2013 18:35:59 MST Print View

This year I used standardized fuel. Everyone got a shim pack and half a petroleum jelly cotton ball. I doled out the water from the same container for everyone.

We found out that if you use a Backcountry Boiler with a Microburst blowing air into it you can boil 2 cups in 3 minutes. Like a mini forge. Hot!

The steel can and the Biolite were next to boil. The Caldera cones, one a 900ml pot and the other was a 600ml pot both came to a boil in less than 7 minutes. They were seconds apart.

The steel can was the only setup that used a windscreen. The Biolite has a fan.

Plans for next time will be a contest for all 3 "alternative" fuels. Multiple heats...

I'll take suggestions and requests. We love to burn stuff. Still waiting for someone to enter a ground fire to win.

Edited by kthompson on 02/03/2013 18:47:33 MST.

Frank H.
(porker110) - F

Locale: California
GGG 5 burnoff results and other info? on 02/03/2013 18:40:15 MST Print View

I definitely would like to see a burnoff with Esbit.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
GGG 5 burnoff results on 02/04/2013 06:51:11 MST Print View

Those Caldera Cone results are about what I get on bp trips. Thank you for the info.
Duane

Tony Wong
(Valshar) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: GGG 5 burnoff results. on 02/04/2013 17:08:27 MST Print View

Ken,

My suggestion is to have three fuel catagories:

1. Wood

2. Alcohol

3. Esbit or any other solid fuel....like tea candles


Also, I would make this a non "powered" event....no fans.

In my mind, this is about seeing the skills of each operator with their stoves.

I would even go as far as to make the wood class restricted to what sorts of fire starters they can use: items they would "normally" carry with them.

No esbit fuel tablets as a fire starter.

Fire steels...cotton balls with petroleum jelly would be okay.

Alcohol pads from the med kit would be okay.

Lighter and cotton ball, paper, etc.

I would rule out using liquid fuels like white gas and alcohol use for an alcohol stove.....the assumption is that why would carry that when you are relying on a wood burning stove for your cooking stove?

Anyway, just my thoughts.

Will get back to posting up photos tonight and see if I can manage to complete the photo essay on the GGG this week.

-Tony

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
GGG 5 burnoff results. on 02/04/2013 17:48:50 MST Print View

I think we will have to have 2 categories for wood. Assisted and non assisted burns. I too carry a Microburst and would use it along with my BCB as Marc did. A 3 minute boil, why not. The Biolite has a fan. Don't forget the classic Zip stove either. That one has spawned a number of MYOG versions. Most likely I will include some PCB as fire starter. I will provide the fuels again also.

Edited by kthompson on 02/04/2013 17:49:23 MST.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Re: GGG 5 burnoff results. on 02/06/2013 17:26:49 MST Print View

Hey, I'm a GGG burnout... Oh, wait, you said burn off. ;)

I was super impressed by how fast Mark (I think it was Mark) boiled water with a BCB. Yeah, that Microburst helped tremendously, but I've run a BCB against an Emberlit and a Firefly before, and it's just a danged good design.

I was a little disappointed by the Biolite (I was running the Biolite). The Biolite has a self-powered fan. Once it gets going, it's faster than a bat out of you-know-where, but it's a bit balky to get started. It's got a tall, narrow fire box. I find a wider, shorter fire box (or at least wider) is easier to work with. The Biolite in my so far limited experience (got it in October) is really tough to start with damp wood.

The fact that Rick with his home-made coffee can stove was able to equal or just slightly beat the Biolite is a credit to Rick's fire making skill. Rick used his Mora knife to create a lot of shavings and really prepped his fire lay well before starting his fire. Josh and Mark used Mora knives to prep their fire lays too. If we do a wood stove burn off again next year, I'm definitely bringing my Mora knife.

I do think we need two categories though: fan assisted and non-fan assisted.

An alcohol stove burn off is a cool idea too, but it's not just a matter of speed if you want a practical stove. Maybe you'd do it as least amount of fuel used to boil 2 cups in under 15 minutes or something like that. I mean it's cool to have an ultra-fast flamethrower stove, but it's going to eat fuel like no tomorrow, and no one will ever use it for backpacking.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

P.S. Hi, Duane.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Stranger? on 02/06/2013 19:11:19 MST Print View

Hay HJ!
Duane

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Re: Stranger? on 02/06/2013 19:36:35 MST Print View

lol. Yeah, I'm back. Don't know how much I can be online, but I'm back.

I got a job that's in the same county, so no more 100 miles a day driving (literally, it was about 50.25 miles each way to my last employer's office). Lots of hours at the new job, but at least it's closer to home. I can't tell you how tired I was of that drive, yipes. But it was good money, which we desperately needed since I spent multiple months with no job at all.

I got really motivated at the GGG to get back on-line. Great time. Great group.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving