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Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
EE Rev/RevX Quilt Fabric Advice on 01/29/2013 18:43:00 MST Print View

Tim has been super helpful, but I'd like to have user input on two questions: 1) For a 3 season, 70-30 degree temp range quilt, is the feel of the 10d liner so much better that its worth considering, if I have the funds for a Rev over a RevX? 2) How does the does the green 15wr do with breathability in that same 70-30 degree temp range. Thanks in advance.

Edited by ThreeRidges on 01/29/2013 20:59:45 MST.

Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
anyone? on 01/30/2013 08:28:20 MST Print View

Any insights would be welcome, thanks.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
10d on 01/30/2013 08:39:46 MST Print View

10d nobul1 and 10d nobul2 for me.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Both Good choices on 01/30/2013 14:36:19 MST Print View

I have both a Rev 40F 8D/8D and a RevX 20F. While the 10D is certainly softer than the 30D, I find the 30D still pretty darn soft, don't forget that 30D is considered an ultralight fabric for the major manufacturers. Get a 30F quilt in either config and I think you'll be happy, Tim makes an excellent product. It really comes down to how much the few extra ounces matter to you.

Aaron Davis
(ardavis324) - F
i debated revx vs rev on 01/30/2013 20:08:37 MST Print View

Finally decided Rev was worth it.

30 degree w/1 overstuff
Inside Color: Charcoal 10D NB 1,
Outside Color: Black 10D NB 2

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Debating on 01/30/2013 20:20:21 MST Print View

I'm fence sitting on whether to get a regular Revelation (more weather resistant material), EE cuben quilt or hold off a year and just get a new, lighter pack and maybe a new shelter this year. Just got a reply from Tim, will be another two weeks for info on his cuben quilts.
Duane

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 01/30/2013 20:23:31 MST Print View

The lighter materials are definitley worth it imo. 30d is great for tents, not so much for a sleeping bag.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
10d on 01/30/2013 20:33:58 MST Print View

Couldn't agree more. I know a lot of people aren't bothered by the 30d, but for me the regular revelation is hands down far and above the revX in terms of feel. I have both - a 30 deg revelation and a 10 deg revX, but honestly I may end up selling the revX and getting a colder revelation next winter because I love the softer hand so much more.

Edited by Jenmitol on 01/30/2013 20:34:38 MST.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
10d on 01/30/2013 20:39:20 MST Print View

Won't the 10D be cooler, letting wind thru, thus making you colder?
Duane

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 01/30/2013 20:50:26 MST Print View

The 10d NB2 has a more substantial coating (compared to NB1) so probably not. Im not sure though.

Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
15d WR outer on 01/31/2013 05:40:32 MST Print View

Doesn't seem like folks have gone for the 15 WR outer, anyone have experience with that, breathability wise?

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
10d inner, 15dWR outer on 01/31/2013 21:54:21 MST Print View

My revelation has that combo. It's a 30* with 30% overstuff (so rated about 25?). Seems pretty wind resistant yet fine in terms of breathability. I like it a lot so far...

Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
Re: 10d inner, 15dWR outer on 02/01/2013 05:38:09 MST Print View

Thanks Jennifer, that's very helpful.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
10d inner and outer down leakage? on 02/01/2013 06:44:12 MST Print View

I got a great deal on a demo Borah cuben bivy with top netting, side zip, so my question now is, how down leakage resistant is the 10D? From the EE site, all 10D will save about 1.5 oz. I don't need the weatherproofness now with the bivy and soon to add a tarp maybe when I make up my mind on what size.
Duane

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Down leakage on 02/01/2013 07:08:38 MST Print View

I've had my rev with the 10d liner for a few months...using it a lot on the couch ;)

I've not seen ANY down leaking from the liner. I went with the slightly more resistant 15d for the shell because my 70# wet and muddy pup sleeps in the tent with me...and, well, you can just imagine.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Down leakage on 02/01/2013 08:58:25 MST Print View

Thank you Jennifer. I miss having a dog. My current work situation does not allow me a dog.:(
Duane

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
No leakage either on 02/01/2013 09:24:30 MST Print View

I haven't seen any leakage from my 8D/8D 40F either. Tim makes a great quilt.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
No leakage either on 02/01/2013 13:56:31 MST Print View

Oh man! I'm a Libra, you're not making this decision making easy for me.
Duane

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Get the 10D on 02/01/2013 15:56:40 MST Print View

Duane, just get the 10D, you'll never regret going as light as you could, but I've often regretted not just getting the lightest of something the first time around.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
How tough is the 10D? on 02/01/2013 21:01:21 MST Print View

Thanks Art.
How strong is the 10D in comparison to? Say a silk liner. WM "Lite" series of down bags.
Duane

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Just buy it already!!! on 02/02/2013 07:49:07 MST Print View

Seriously Duane...put your libra tendencies aside and just make the order. 10d/10d and settle in for the wait...then enjoy!! With the bivy you'll be super happy. Tim makes wonderful stuff...and his customer service rocks.

Heck, I might even loan you my shedding wet pooch for a while..just so you can see how safe you'll be...

...Chuck in water

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Plenty tough on 02/02/2013 08:35:52 MST Print View

Jennifer, the pack your dog carries looks familiar ;-)

Guinness at Jay Cooke

Duane, I can't speak specifically for the 10D as mine is 8D, but close enough me thinks. It's plenty strong, I have no worries that anything is going to happen to it with the proper care. But it's like any other piece of ultra light gear, take care of it and don't treat it like it's a $40 sleeping bag from Cabelas. My dog has "claimed" it a couple times for himself before I got in the tent and other than the dirt that needs to be wiped off, there's no problems from his nails, so that passes my test.

Edited by arttyszka on 02/02/2013 08:37:01 MST.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Plenty tough on 02/02/2013 09:06:26 MST Print View

I will add only one thing on fabric durability. Though I trust and personally use 10d(formerly known as 8d, eightD, and now nobul) on all my quilts I don't recommend it for through hikers as the extended use and difficulty of field repair make it less desirable for that application.

-Tim

Aaron Davis
(ardavis324) - F
8D vs 10D on 02/02/2013 09:06:33 MST Print View

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Edited by ardavis324 on 02/02/2013 09:08:04 MST.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Just buy it already!!! on 02/02/2013 09:10:13 MST Print View

You two are killing me with the dog pics.
I've been patient so far, at least I think that may be my excuse. I have the money so that is not the issue, just hate making the wrong descision. Thank you for the hearty endorsement of those lighter fabrics. I had received a reply back from Tim the same night I sent him an email a few nights ago over when he would have info back up on his cuben quilts. I guess he does not sell that many and no one wants one until they are gone.:) Another reason I've been hedging, my WM Caribou bag weights 1.5 lbs., so a quilt at 20-21 oz. was not much incentive to move forward. However, if I can get something down to 18 oz. or less, maybe I'd go ahead, plus I'm thinking the bivy may enable me to get a over stuffed 40 degree bag which could take me to the 30's which is what I really need for the Sierra in the summer and may be warm enough to the upper 20's with the bivy. I think those lighter fabrics would get me under 18 oz., but I hate the expense of what a cuben quilt will run from him. I'll hang in there for a few more weeks until he gets his cuben quilt up so I can run some numbers. If it takes a month to get a quilt, I have plenty of time for Spring bping, I'm enjoying my snowcamping with my old stoves for now. Don't want to get caught in the thru hikers rush for gear.
Duane

PS: I also recieved a reply from Matt at ZPacks, for the size of quilt and temp rating, he told me around 17.5 +-, so if Tim has the same, a big savings in money to get the Revelation with the 8D.

Edited by hikerduane on 02/02/2013 09:13:32 MST.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
8 = 10 on 02/02/2013 09:12:38 MST Print View

Thanks Tim, I didn't realize that 8D is now 10D. Good to know.

Mike Van
(Mike777) - MLife
Re: Re: Plenty tough on 02/02/2013 09:24:05 MST Print View

Would you elaborate a bit Tim? Though I'm not a through hiker I'm curious to know if a big enough piece of Tear-Aid wouldn't resolve most emergencies. Thanks!

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Re: Plenty tough on 02/02/2013 10:31:31 MST Print View

Mike,

You're probably right. An adhesive repair should be fine on 10d. I'm thinking of dental floss sewing which would end up making it worse and expanding the damage most likely due to the thin nature of the fabric.

-Tim

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Plenty tough on 02/02/2013 11:07:39 MST Print View

I have Nobul sleeping bag lining. Used it about 20 nights. No problem yet. Very comfortable against skin.

But, it is very light so I think it would rip more easily than heavier fabric.

If you value light weight and are careful with your gear, it's probably fine. It might rip after a few years where heavier fabric would last longer. If you have dogs clawing it or rambunctious teenagers it might not be the best choice.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re on 02/02/2013 17:23:13 MST Print View

One thing I like about EE is the features, that is pretty important to me.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Plenty tough on 02/03/2013 11:58:22 MST Print View

Since I've been dogless for 10 years now, I wonder if the lighter material on the exterior and the next weight up on the inside since that is where all the abrasiion will be for me makes sense? You can still save a tiny bit of weight. I'd hate to start losing down unexpectly. I'll have all my info here soon, don't know if I'll go for three new pieces of gear this year or just a pack and either a quilt or tarp. After I get new glass' I can decide. Thanks for bearing with me Tim and all.
Duane

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Abrasion? on 02/03/2013 13:25:36 MST Print View

Duane, I'm not sure what kind of "abrasion" you're worried about. My dog's nails haven't ripped or scratched the 10D after waling across it a dozen times. I've not had any problems or concerns with the 10D, granted I haven't thru hiked with it either. Take reasonably good care of it and I don't think there's anything to worry about. I'm not saying I'd give it to one of my kids for a sleep over, but it's plenty tough for ultra light hikers.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Abrasion? on 02/03/2013 18:08:31 MST Print View

First, my apologies for commenting or throwing out so many questions, just wanting as much info as I can gather. I'm used to just buying off the shelf items and one of my bping friends says he is out of the loop on new stuff. My current summer, 7-8 day total pack weight is in the mid 20's, so I've gained some ground the last 8 years. The CA group I have done some trips with are not into UL or SUL, although they may have an item or two, Frank (60 something)is the closest. The last few years we all have done fewer trips together, so I don't have a UL person to bounce ideas off of. I was also going off of Tim's comment about not being suggested for thru hikers. If a thru hiker would use a quilt with the light material, I was thinking how long would it last me using the quilt for 20+ nights a year or so. Extrapalating (sp?) that over say 4-5 years, would it be worth my investment? If considered as a UL piece of gear that only has a limited life, that may be fine and what was to be expected like some of the cuben material bps.

Thanks Art, that helps, I've had a playful dog nip my 9 year? old Golite Coal jacket and put a small tear in it, do not know how that material compares to the 10D. I have to replace my silk liners about every 3 years as they get stretched out, I was thinking the 10D might be like the silk. Sounds more and more like 10D for a quilt inside and out is fine. I'm waiting for Tim to post his cuben quilt numbers, as I may only go for either a tarp or quilt.
Fence sitter Duane

J C
(Joomy) - M
Tough choice on 05/05/2013 04:10:52 MDT Print View

Hi Duane, you have my sympathies as I am also somewhat of a fence sitter with these decisions and I'm also trying to decide which fabric to go with on an EE Revelation.

I emailed Tim and asked him about the relative strengths and water resistance of his fabrics. Here is what is told me:

Durability, least to most: Nb1, nb2, im1, im2, 30d

Water resistance, least to most: Nb1, im1, 30d, nb2, im2

So clearly 10D is going to be the most fragile, and IM2 would be fairly tough and quite water resistant. Then again, ancedotal evidence suggests that 10D is plenty tough as long as you are reasonably careful with it.

Full 10D would be the lightest and softest option (and comes in cool all black) but NB1/IM2 might be the more prudent choice for those of us who want a quilt that will last many seasons...