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Steven Evans
(Steve_Evans) - MLife

Locale: Canada
Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 06:55:58 MDT Print View

First time caller, long time listener.

I want to add a bail to my MSR titan Kettle, but other then the obvious drill a hole in each side and loop a wire, does anyone have another(less destructive) way that they have done this. I guess it could be any pot really, not just the Titan Kettle.

Thanks!
Steve

Russell Swanson
(rswanson) - F

Locale: Midatlantic
Re: Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 13:59:56 MDT Print View

Doesn't the Titan kettle have handles? Anyway, another BPL poster, David Lewis fashioned a pot grabber, weighing 3 grams, for his Heineken keg can cookpot from a titanium rod (which you can buy from BPL). His original was made from a coat hanger, which should also work for you. You can check it out in this thread: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=6459

And see details on his site here: http://davidlewis.ca/stove/

Steven Evans
(Steve_Evans) - MLife

Locale: Canada
Re: Re: Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 14:19:08 MDT Print View

"Doesn't the Titan kettle have handles?"

Yes it does, I should have been more specific. I like to hang my pot over the fire (usualy with a stick in the ground) in the evening to boil water/melt snow without using up my fuel. Any creative ideas out there for performing this. I thought that the mechanism was called a bail, I could be mistaken.

Michael Martin
(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 15:38:39 MDT Print View

Hi Steven-

Here's my setup. I started with a Base Designs 1L pot and removed the handles by breaking the welds. Then I shaped a bail out of a BPL Ti Ultrarod. I punched the holes in the pot with a sheet metal punch, but a small drill bit would work if you don't have a punch. The bail stands up by itself and folds down for storage. It's also easily removable, but I usually just leave it attached. Here's the kicker: The pot+bail+foil lid weights only 2.1 ounces for a 1L pot!

1L Pot plus bail1l Pot plus bail

Sam Haraldson
(sharalds) - MLife

Locale: Gallatin Range
Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 16:17:29 MDT Print View

Michael - That's some good clean design there. The handle welds appear to come off quite easily. I had to take a Dremel tool to my Snowpeak 900mL!

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643)

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Re: Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 16:23:33 MDT Print View

Looks great Michael,

How did you break the welds?

Michael Martin
(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 16:29:52 MDT Print View

>> How did you break the welds?

Well, I'd like to say it was a highly technical process involving a plasma torch and dental floss...

But the truth of the matter is I pulled hard on the handles and the handle plate just popped off. (From Sam's post, it looks like Snowpeak takes their welding more seriously.)

Cheers,

-Mike

Sam Haraldson
(sharalds) - MLife

Locale: Gallatin Range
Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 16:55:14 MDT Print View

Yeah, you can see from the photo that the welds were VERY difficult. I decided to break the last one rather than grind it with the Dremel and I ended up putting a hole in the wall of the pot. A dab of JB Weld fixed this right up however.

Bushbuddy, Snowpeak 900mL w/ custom lid and bail

Michael Martin
(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 17:35:24 MDT Print View

Hi Guys. Take a look at Bill Fornshell's thread here. It looks like many of us are thinking along the same lines. (Now if I could only get close to Bill's level of craftsmanship...)

Cheers,

-Mike

George Matthews
(gmatthews) - MLife
Re: Re: Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 18:21:13 MDT Print View

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What keeps the bail up?

Lance Marshall
(Lancem) - F - MLife

Locale: Oregon
Bail Without Holes on 04/11/2007 19:11:21 MDT Print View

Steve-
Here are concept pics of a bail added to a pot without drilling holes. It looks like it should work. You might use a small, stiff spring to connect the ends of the ‘girth’ wire, so that it would be easily removable. This pot is a K-Mart Grease Pot (same lid and strainer as Wal-Mart pot but the rim rolls out) but should work on any pot with a rim.
Hole-less pot bail 1
Hole-less pot bail 3
Hole-less pot bail 2

Edited by Lancem on 04/11/2007 21:34:01 MDT.

Steven Evans
(Steve_Evans) - MLife

Locale: Canada
Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 20:17:27 MDT Print View

Thanks Guys! Great feedback.

I'm going to give Lances' style try, and if I like it alot, I'll go with a more permanent solution a.k.a. drilling/punching the holes.

Steve

Michael Martin
(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Bail for Titan Kettle on 04/11/2007 21:27:47 MDT Print View

>> What keeps the bail up?

The Ti bail is bent to a larger radius than the pot. So, when installed in the pot holes, there is some spring tension that increases friction in the hole to keep it in place. The shape of the ends of the bail also help this effect.

Cheers,

-Mike