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Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Patagonia Piton Hybrid? on 01/23/2013 04:03:32 MST Print View

Climbers the world over are all ga ga over the new Patagonia Piton Hybrid hoody. Better/tougher/lighter than the R1 seems to be the consensus.

Having an R1 hoody love/hate relationship myself, I have been looking for a new fleece full zip jacket (no hood) to either complement (like an R2) and/or replace it. So now the Piton Hybrid jacket is on the radar since it promise better wear/less pilling and some wind/DWR protection as an outer. Other than the silly $$ cost, any opinions from hikers?

http://www.patagonia.com/us/shops/product_compare.jsp?OPTION=COMPARE_PAGE_HANDLER&refids=31805-0-791,25136-0-331,40126-0-015

Edited by rmjapan on 01/23/2013 04:44:38 MST.

John Donewar
(Newton) - MLife

Locale: Southeastern Louisiana
Re: Patagonia Piton Hybrid? on 01/23/2013 04:34:44 MST Print View

Rick,

Patagucci does it again.

"Other than the silly $$ cost, any opinions from hikers?"

After viewing an informational video on the Piton I understand the "patched" look of this jacket.

Form follows function but the black version is the least objectionable looking version of the new Patagonia Piton Hybrid hoody and it's still not going to separate me from my $179.00.

I think I understand the color choices. Out in the back country being visible can be a benefit. I have a bright orange pack that I use during hunting season so that I don't become a trophy.

I'm sure it's a fine piece of kit but I wouldn't be sure if I was warm because of the Piton or because of the exasperation I was feeling due to the cost.

They're new and priced like new model year gear is usually priced. Give it some time, maybe 6 to 9 months, and they will be on 6:PM, Clymb and STP for < $100.00. Even then I would probably still balk at the cost.

My 2 cents. ;-)

Party On,

Newton

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Re: Re: Patagonia Piton Hybrid? on 01/23/2013 06:13:10 MST Print View

Well Patagonia sales are already on with discounts of up to 40%. Add in a click thru cashback refund and it approaches 50% off. So ~US$100 now.

Also, I am interested in the full zip Piton Hybrid jacket, not the hoody. The jacket has a slightly different construction with handwarmer pockets and the Polartec Wind Pro mapped from the mid back continuing over the shoulder and covering the full front torso.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.wordpress.com
Why No Backpacking Pockets? on 01/23/2013 08:32:36 MST Print View

All the raincoats I find, including Patagonia's Super Cell jacket which I love, have small, lightweight minimalist zippers and pockets high enough to get over the hipbelt of a pack. So convenient, so useful!

These seem to be taboo in the fleece department, though... Patagonia, TNF, Columbia, Marmot, Mountain Hardwear... everyone makes fleeces the old-fashioned way.

It would be nice if they assumed shoppers at the $170 price point, who are buying skintight technical garments, might be backpackers and might not need a zipper that weighs more than a musket-ball....

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Re: Patagonia Piton Hybrid? on 01/23/2013 08:36:15 MST Print View

I was kind of looking at the hoody version but begged off. For cold, I'd want handwarmer pockets too for that price.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
re: Piton Hybrid on 01/23/2013 09:03:51 MST Print View

It's the same material as the MH Desna hoody I reviewed here recently, so you can expect similar performance. Whether that is what you need is another question.

Premium fabrics and construction demand premium prices. Nothing new there.

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Re: re: Piton Hybrid on 01/23/2013 13:31:43 MST Print View

Actually the front panels on the Piton use Polartec Windpro which is considerably more wind resistant than other versions of fleece (including powerstretch with hardface used in the Desna).

http://www.polartec.com/shelter/polartec-wind-pro/how-does-it-work.aspx

The jacket version seems to have a better panelling layout. I like that there is more wind resistance in the lower abdomen (tends to get cold for me the first) than on the hoody. I assume this is because harness and gear while climbing helps with wind resistance (but in my experience a cold wind always finds a way in if you underestimate it).

As for pocket placement and zippers on the hoody not being ideal for backpacking, it's a jacket named after climbing gear from a company founded by climbers and catering to yuppies who crag climb and thrill seek more than backpackers. It's not for you...still the hoodless version does cater more to those not far from a car.

For it's weight and purpose in high aerobic activity it looks decent. If you want handwarmers you aren't using your hands or moving too fast so a warmer insulation piece would be necessary anyway. Maybe it's just me but the only time my hands are in my pockets is when puttering around camp or in a city.

Looks like a good piece, but the price is prohibitive for me (though nearly all fleeces at MSRP from the big names are outrageous in my opinion).

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F - M
mec on 01/23/2013 14:01:14 MST Print View

59$ on clearance .... wind resistant ... not for social or intraweb "outdorsy" folks ;)

http://www.mec.ca/AST/ShopMEC/MensClothing/HikingClothing/Tops/PRD~5024-043/mec-khamsin-2-jacket-mens.jsp

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Re: Piton Hybrid on 01/23/2013 15:37:30 MST Print View

Thanks Dustin for your useful analysis. I am glad someone noticed the Piton Hybrid jacket's construction details. Given the large proportion of Wind Pro fabric w/DWR and pockets, I am suprised this jacket comes in nearly 15% lighter weight than the R1/R2. Zero wind/water resistance and pilling from wear caused by my pack shoulder straps and the waist buckle, and only 1 chest pocket are the main issues I have with my R1 hoody now. Most times I have to wear another shell over it to get better protection and more pockets.

I almost always wear gloves while hiking so I use handwarmer pockets as stash pockets to keep water bottle, dry gloves, and perhaps my gas canister warm. When compared to the R1/R2 jackets in my comparo linked above, the Piton's seem well suited for this task with their higher placement towards the center of the abdomen out of the way of the pack shoulder/waist straps, and smaller zip openings to keep things from falling out.

As for the price (I did warn to ignore it), $100 for a fleece, albeit a hightech one, is certainly steep. On the otherhand, $100 barely covers a ramen lunch and an afternoon movie for me and the wife here in the Big Mikan. And FYI, Patagonia Japan sells it for JPY21,000 in their stores here so US$100 looks to be a relative bargain!

Edited by rmjapan on 01/23/2013 15:58:39 MST.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Re: Re: Piton Hybrid coldthistle luv on 01/23/2013 17:55:29 MST Print View

Seems this popular gear hopper has found lotta luv for the hoody,

http://coldthistle.blogspot.jp/2013/01/patagonia-piton-hoody.html

I need to "hike" the 4km over to the Patagonia store today and check it out now.

Brian Lindahl
(lindahlb) - MLife

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: Patagonia Piton Hybrid? on 01/24/2013 12:29:48 MST Print View

Compared to an R1, I didn't like it as much, though my usage is a bit different - I ski and tour with it, using the hood as a built-in hat and balaclava, and use the wrist thumbloops under my gloves for full coverage when needed.

The zipper is thicker and not very comfortable when the hood is fully zipped. The thicker full zipper also causes the material to bulge out when bending forward.

It's significantly shorter and doesn't have the extended wrists and thumbholes - that's probably where most of the weight was shaved.

Overall, it's a nice piece, but it's less technical than the R1. If they had made it exactly like the R1, but just added the Windpro panelling, it would have been a much better piece. I was excited about the potential, but ultimately pretty disappointed.

Edited by lindahlb on 01/24/2013 12:31:28 MST.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Re: Patagonia Piton Hybrid? on 01/24/2013 16:13:34 MST Print View

Thanks Brian for the input. I also want this jacket for skiing groomers too as an outer over my Cap 4 EW hoody or zip neck pieces. I've placed my order so am keeping my fingers crossed the combo won't end up too hot and I can wear it even into early Spring.

Sean Passanisi
(passanis)
Update? on 06/26/2013 14:33:11 MDT Print View

Hello. Would love to hear feedback from Piton users. I use a Cap 4 hoody as a baselayer and I'm looking to purchase a midlayer piece for layering over a Cap 1/2. I like the full-zip of the Piton Hoody, but like the additional pockets of the hoodless jacket. The vest is also intriguing.

rOg w
(rOg_w) - F - M

Locale: rogwilmers.wordpress
deleted on 06/26/2013 14:49:40 MDT Print View

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Edited by rOg_w on 09/08/2013 16:23:53 MDT.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Re: Update? on 06/26/2013 18:00:02 MDT Print View

Only wore it on 3 outings. The jacket worked for me over the Cap 4 hoody exactly like I thought it would. So far, I have been pleased and look forward to next Winter.

Sean Passanisi
(passanis)
Re: Re: Update? on 06/26/2013 20:10:03 MDT Print View

Thanks, gentlemen. How would you compare the Piton to the R1 (hoody or jacket)?

Do you have any thoughts on the vest?

Lachlan Fysh
(lachlanfysh) - M
piton hoody on 06/26/2013 20:45:49 MDT Print View

Can't compare to the R1 which I don't own, but I really like my Piton hoody. Fit is good and warm, but full zip makes it very versatile.

If I did it again I'd probably get the jacket as the wind pro right down the front would be nice and I have a big head so I find the hood a bit too snug and not that comfortable, don't use it much - zip also catches on my beard a bit.

Having said that I don't think the jacket fits the same? For warmth and comfort I think the hoody fits great - snug but stretchy and not constricting.

Edit: I've also got the green/blue hoody and while I bought it for the trail I often wear it around the city and it has had several complements for the excentric fashion statement, even my GF has come around to the style. YMMV

Edited by lachlanfysh on 06/26/2013 20:47:13 MDT.