Sierra Designs Cloud Airshell 4 ounce raincoat
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Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
airshell on 01/19/2013 17:38:42 MST Print View

I agree w/ Dan- don't really care if I only have to wear it when it's raining- that's the only time I'd plan on wearing it :)

I'm glad to see that they are pushing the envelope, with that said I'll probably keep my Helium for a 2 oz weight penalty and retain a very functioning adj hood and drawstring waist

Pertex Plus has a HH of 20,000

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Water Testing on 02/05/2013 08:09:45 MST Print View

Here's a brief water testing of fabric. (scroll down)

here

Ross Bleakney
(rossbleakney) - MLife

Locale: Cascades
Re: airshell on 02/05/2013 20:36:25 MST Print View

My feelings exactly Dan. I think a very light, waterproof shell that is only marginally breathable would be quite nice. Windshirts are so light now that bringing both would make a lot of sense. Wear the windshirt to combat wind, bugs and even mild rain. But when the rain overwhelms the windshirt, switch to the not very breathable rain jacket. You could probably do the same thing with a light poncho, but this has isn't as bulky as a poncho.

But if it isn't really rainproof, it is useless for this purpose. I've tried wearing a windshirt in a Sierra downpour and I was glad that I was day hiking. If that was a backpacking trip, I would be in trouble.

In general the marketing on this thing is bizarre. Who hides the fact that a rain jacket has a hood? Are you trying to sell to bikers? Even some of those folks like hoods (when I commuted by bike I preferred to stick my hood inside my helmet). Like a lot of these types of jackets, time will tell if it makes sense or not.

Mark Bishop
(mark_b) - MLife

Locale: Northwest (WA)
Sierra Designs Cloud Airshell 4 ounce raincoat on 05/22/2013 14:53:15 MDT Print View

I'm interested in a lightweight waterproof rain shell and this one sounds almost too good to be true at just 4 oz. It's new to the market this spring and I haven't been able to find any reviews - I'd appreciate some feedback if anyone here has had a chance to try this out in the field.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Sierra Designs Cloud Airshell 4 ounce raincoat on 05/22/2013 14:59:20 MDT Print View

If you are still looking around, check out the AntiGravity Gear hooded rainjacket. Mine weighs 4.5 ounces, and it is silnylon, so expect a high degree of waterproofness and a very low degree of breathability. Plus, it is compact since there are few frills, pockets, or doodads. Mine is very roomy, so that helps the breathability issue.

--B.G.--

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
Cloud Airshell on 05/22/2013 15:53:43 MDT Print View

I have one. Have only used it for running so far - a high intensity activity - and only in moderate rain. My experience is that it is pretty much what people concluded based on the data. It is pretty waterproof and somewhat breathable. I agree that the marketing is confusing - makes it sound very waterproof and not very breathable. Full zip allows for excellent venting. My thought is to bring this as my rain/wind layer along with a poncho tarp. If it rains hard I'll throw on the poncho. Some other observations:
-Designed to fit over a puffy, so fits rather large. I am 5'8", 140lbs and got size S, which fits well (loose). Not as long as a typical rain jacket, but mostly covers my butt. Sleeves are long enough to go over my hands, which I like.
-Hood has no draw string but works OK. It has some elastic to keep it tight. I'll wear it with a baseball cap or warm hat & I think it'll be fine.
-I weighed men's S w/o included stuff sack at just 3.3oz.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
airshell on 06/20/2013 11:54:04 MDT Print View

Any more observations?

Stephen Parks
(sdparks) - M

Locale: Southwest
Re: Re: Sierra Designs Cloud Airshell 4 ounce raincoat on 06/27/2013 20:40:06 MDT Print View

"Several people cooperatively sharing their thoughts with others will often result in a quicker solution/answer/understanding than one working alone."

Yes, many witches have been successfully identified and burned at the stake that way. ;-)

Jon Leibowitz
(jleeb) - F - MLife

Locale: 4Corners
Anyone use this through this summer season? on 10/11/2013 18:25:31 MDT Print View

Anyone use this extensively this summer? Thoughts?

I don't care much about the breathability issue as I don't sweat much. I'm more curious about how waterproof it is.

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Re Aircloud shell review on 10/11/2013 19:31:59 MDT Print View

"Feedthehabit" reviewed the entire shell system. Seems pretty good for a just-in-case shell with stretch and some toughness.


http://www.feedthehabit.com/outdoors/sierra-designs-cloud-airshell-and-pant-review-ready/

ADD: I'm guessing more moisture would have been blocked with the additional wind layer. Not really clear if the reviewer was wearing it but it doesn't seem that way.

Edited by hknewman on 10/11/2013 19:35:17 MDT.

Derek M.
(dmusashe) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
SD Cloud wind shell with no hood on 10/12/2013 02:43:23 MDT Print View

I agree that the marketing for this product is somewhat confusing. I think Dan's comments are spot on though. It sounds like SD is trying its best to tell the average customer what most people on this forum already know: WP/B jackets are not very breathable and should only be worn when absolutely necessary (i.e. when it's raining or you are far too cold to sweat). Wind shells are obviously much more versatile due to their breathability.

What baffles me about this layering system is the fact that SD neglected to put a hood on the Cloud wind shell. To me, this embodies the concept of "stupid light." It probably saves 0.75oz, but severely limits the usefulness of the jacket.

The first thing I do when I'm hiking and I get cold is to put on my wind shell with the hood up. The jacket is much, much warmer with the hood raised. Hoods are so small and compact on modern wind shells these days that layering clothing on top of them is no problem at all. I'm just not seeing the downside of including a hood on a wind shell (other than that it doesn't look as cool in the ads when some model is running with the jacket on).

Again, I'm just at a loss for SD's hoodless decision on the wind shell, but this thread is about the rain shell, so I digress...

Still, I'd like to hear more real world reviews of this potentially interesting rain shell.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: SD Cloud wind shell with no hood on 10/12/2013 10:11:01 MDT Print View

So glad to see no hood. Hate them. Visability and hearing stinks with them. Especially ones sized for a helmet. How many climbers are there? Prefer a hat. Glad there are choices in the world. I'd would like to see more offerings in tall. A nice long jacket that actually covers your waist when moving.

Peter S (masc. über linear logical club)
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Separate on 10/12/2013 10:20:11 MDT Print View

Ken, agree with you, though I don't have a "waterproof jacket + separate waterproof headgear - system". Do you have a system that works for you?

Edited by prse on 10/12/2013 10:22:15 MDT.

Peter S (masc. über linear logical club)
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Mistake on 10/12/2013 10:25:06 MDT Print View

Just realised that you were commenting on a windshirt and not a waterproof shell...

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
Re: Anyone use this through this summer season? on 10/12/2013 16:55:51 MDT Print View

I've used the Cloud rain shell quite a bit more since my last comment. We had some rain here in Boulder, CO, last month... I have been quite impressed with the waterproofness of the shell. The zipper is the main place that water gets in. Love the full zip, hood & of course the lightness. The negative on this thing is that it's not very durable. Actually, I wish someone would make a "100% waterproof (i.e., nonbreathable), 3oz rain shell from a durable material. Waterproof/breathable seems sort of neither.

Edited by pbakwin on 10/13/2013 12:47:09 MDT.

Derek M.
(dmusashe) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Anyone use this through this summer season? on 10/12/2013 19:22:05 MDT Print View

Peter,
Check out Luke's Ultralight SilNylon Rain Shell:
http://lukesultralite.com/content/silnylon-rain-shell

At 4.2oz it might be the closest thing to what you're looking for.

Edited by dmusashe on 10/12/2013 19:22:40 MDT.

Jon Leibowitz
(jleeb) - F - MLife

Locale: 4Corners
Re: Re: Anyone use this through this summer season? on 10/12/2013 19:25:51 MDT Print View

What aspect is not durable? Did you snag it? Did it rip at the shoulders from your pack? Zipper?

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
Re: Re: Re: Anyone use this through this summer season? on 10/13/2013 12:43:38 MDT Print View

Mine is delaminating at the wrist cuff. I often tuck my hands inside the cuffs, with or w/o gloves, which puts some extra stress on that area, but have done this with many other jackets & not seen a durability problem. My friend tore a hole or 2 in his shell during what I would consider normal use. The material certainly is wispy.

Jon Leibowitz
(jleeb) - F - MLife

Locale: 4Corners
Re: Re: Re: Re: Anyone use this through this summer season? on 10/14/2013 07:22:20 MDT Print View

That's a shame. Looks like Luke's silnylon with armpit zippers is the winner.