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StarLyte Burner With Cap
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Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Modified Starlyte - no boil for me :( on 05/04/2013 08:23:17 MDT Print View


I use the 900mL evernew short/wide with the modified starlyte in a Ti sidewinder Caldera Cone. I don't offset anything, I don't use any shim to raise the stove...i just put the the stove on the ground and the pot in the cone and frankly, it works phenomenally well.

I consistently get rolling boils at about 7 mins with a half ounce of denatured alcohol, 1-2 cups cold water...and last trip it was SO windy and it still worked like a champ.

Sorry yours doesn't...but from my experience the short/wide pot is fine.

Edited by Jenmitol on 05/04/2013 08:24:05 MDT.

Mole J
(MoleJ) - F

Locale: UK
Re: Re: Modified Starlyte - no boil for me :( on 05/04/2013 09:07:00 MDT Print View

thanks Dan

and Jennifer

I've tried it with and without shims.

Will try again sometime.

Am attempting to boil just over 2 cups of cold water each time.

As I say, I have success with the normal Starlyte and 1/2 oz fuel so not too worried!

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - F

Starlyte on 05/05/2013 06:32:08 MDT Print View

In my tests, the restricted Starlyte took about 1:30 longer to boil than the regular Starlyte. Since uses the same or less fuel, if you can boil on 15ml with the regular one you should be able to boil with the restricted one, but something must be up. Have you tried giving it more fuel to see if you can reach a boil in a few more minutes?

In my tests, the restricted Starlyte saved about 1g (or ~1ml) of fuel per boil. To me, this wasn't worth the slower boil times so I've stayed with the regular model.

William Chilton
(WilliamC3) - MLife

Locale: Antakya
Re: Modified Starlyte - no boil for me :( on 05/05/2013 07:17:34 MDT Print View

Mole, can you get a boil with 15ml of fuel in the 12-10 stove?
I got comparable results to Dan (Durston) when comparing the standard and modified Starlytes with the 600ml Evernew and Sidewinder. The 12-10 stove needed about 2.5g more fuel than the modified Starlyte.
I didn't do many tests with the Sidewinder, but in the ones I did I found that the pot resting on the cone with a 1/2" shim used slightly less fuel but took longer than without the shim.

Reggie Garrett
(regarrett) - M

Locale: Lost in the mountains
Starlyte Modified on 05/05/2013 18:06:14 MDT Print View

I have a few different alcohol stoves. I decided to test my 3 favorites. What follows are the results of that test. While the modified Starlyte was "slow" it consumed the least amount of fuel.

All tests were completed using a Trail Designs Ti-Tri setup for a .6 Evernew Titanium pot. Interesting results.


All tests used 14 grams (1/2 oz) of alcohol and 342 grams (12 oz) of water.

Trail Designs 12-10
Boil time 5:13
Burn time 7:10
Fuel used to boil 10.2 grams

Zelph Starlyte modified
Boil time 7:05
Burn time 12:00
Fuel used to boil 8.3 grams

Goldgear Ram Eco
Boil time 4:15
Burn time 5:45
Fuel used to boil 10.3 grams

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - F

Stove tests on 05/05/2013 19:08:24 MDT Print View

Wow those are some good numbers. 7 min and 8g of fuel is amazing. I presume you've got the wide/shallow 600ml pot?

Chad "Stick" Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
Re: Starlyte Modified on 05/05/2013 20:00:45 MDT Print View

Reggie, a few questions.

Which Ti-Tri system did you use when doing the tests? Classic, Sidewinder, Fissure or Fusion?

Did you use a heat reflector/ground protector under the stoves?

How did you figure the amount of fuel to reach a boil if you let all the fuel burn out to get a total burn time? I assume it was just some simple math that I am not thinking of...?

When using the 12 - 10 stove, did you insert the stakes through the cone to lift the pot up slightly and use it as suggested, or did you just set the pot in the cone and let the lip rest on the cone like when using Esbit?

When using the Starlyte, did you shim it, or lay it directly on the ground? How did you put the pot on the cone, again, on the stakes to lift it up, or the lip of the pot resting on the cone?

When using the Goldgear stove, did you just set the pot right on top of the stove as it is intended to be, but inside the cone? I haven't taken mine out to try it with my 0.9L cone, but I know it is a bit taller than the others, so I figure it will lift the pot up a bit in the cone.

William Chilton
(WilliamC3) - MLife

Locale: Antakya
Re: Stove tests on 05/06/2013 05:01:37 MDT Print View

Dan, 7 minutes and 8.3g for 352ml would translate to 10 minutes and 12g (15ml) for 500ml of water. This is good compared to most stoves, but would seem to be about standard for the modified Starlyte IME.

Reggie Garrett
(regarrett) - M

Locale: Lost in the mountains
Re: Re: Starlyte Modified on 05/06/2013 05:30:45 MDT Print View


I used the Sidewinder.

The tests were performed in my kitchen but I did have a ground protector under all the stoves.

To figure out the amount of fuel used to boil the water I just calculated it out. The math may not be totally accurate. Let's say I used 1 oz of fuel, the stove boiled in 7.5 minutes, and burned a total of 10 minutes, then I calculated the fuel needed to boil the water was .75 oz. While I know this may not be totally accurate, I used that method on all the tests so I'm fairly comfortable saying which stove burned more fuel or less fuel to boil the water. My intent was not to see the exact amount of fuel burned, but see how much fuel each stove burned relative to the other stoves.

For the 12-10 stove, I did use the stakes to raise the pot to the correct height above the stove.

For the Starlyte, I set the stove directly on the "ground", pulled the stakes out of the cone, and let the pot rest on it's rim inside the cone. I didn't get an exact measurement of how high the pot was from the stove, but it looked to be very close to the optimum height.

For the Goldgear stove, I set the pot on top of the stove as intended and it was inside the cone. This stove, with the pan sitting directly on it, is a very good fit inside the Ti-Tri Sidewinder.

Hope this helps!

Reggie Garrett
(regarrett) - M

Locale: Lost in the mountains
Re: Stove tests on 05/06/2013 08:54:08 MDT Print View

Yes. Usual .6 Evernew. Wider than tall.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

ClikStand Tests on 05/08/2013 16:58:25 MDT Print View

Question for JRScruggs and others. Have you tried the accessory shelf for placing the StarLyte Burner onto as a means of elevating it. It looks like it should work well.

Here is a photo of it:

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Joe L
(heyyou) - MLife

Locale: Cutting brush off of the Arizona Tr
operating stove on a scale on 05/09/2013 21:39:36 MDT Print View

For weighing fuel use, could you rig an insulator under your stove so you could do burns with the stove on the scale? Read the starting, boil, and ending weights as the fuel burns. I'm thinking thin plywood topped with a foil metal reflector would work.

You could use the "tare" function on your scale, add fuel, light stove, then watch the weight return to a zero reading as the fuel burned.

Plan B: Add fuel, then push the "tare" button, light stove, watch the numbers go from zero to negative numbers during the burn. My scale reads negative from a "tare" beginning.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Re: operating stove on a scale on 05/11/2013 08:19:45 MDT Print View

Joe, that should work as you say as long as your scale has the accuracy to measure 1 gram. My scale lacks that ability. I'd definately do it the way you suggest.

Brian Johns

Locale: NorCal
Modified Burner on 05/12/2013 00:41:12 MDT Print View

I'm assuming since the 12-10's are basically the same (within a given iteration/generation) then it does not matter whether the modified StarLyte is used in a traditional aluminum high cone, ULC, or sidewinder cone. I'm planning on using this with my fusion-700 mug or my trad. ti-tri MSR Kettle cone. Anyway, just ordered one. Seemed to be in stock. Can't wait.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Re: Modified Burner on 05/13/2013 21:43:07 MDT Print View

Brian, your burner was shipped today. I don't think it will matter if it's used in a traditional aluminum high cone, ULC, or sidewinder cone. Excellent results are being had in all of them. Let us know how it works with your fusion-700 mug.

Marc Kokosky
(mak52580) - F

Locale: Washington, DC Area
Re: Re: Modified Burner on 05/13/2013 22:43:42 MDT Print View

I ordered one to use on my last trip with my GVP Caldera setup. I loved the thing so much I just bought two more for some of my other systems. I'll use them as staples in my .9L Evernew sidewinder setup and a new MLD 475 setup I'm having TD work on. They may be a little slower but I love them.

Dan - please don't discontinue this one! I think you have a real winner given its size, weight and fuel storage. One of the main complaints of the 12-10 stove is that they are kind of big and bulky. Yours is able to do the same thing at about half the size and save the leftover fuel.

Reggie Garrett
(regarrett) - M

Locale: Lost in the mountains
Starlyte modified on 05/14/2013 08:43:58 MDT Print View

I agree with the last post. The Starlyte is such a fine piece of gear that I love it. It packs in my Evernew .6 with the TrailDesigns Titanium sidewinder cone. Perfect size! Saves room in my pack, uses less fuel, stores unused fuel, what's there not to live about it?

Great work on this one Dan.

Brian Johns

Locale: NorCal
StarLyte Modified on 05/14/2013 12:16:51 MDT Print View

Thanks Dan! Got the shipping notice on Monday. Looking forward to checking out the stove and will definitely report back. One thing I like about the StarLyte that maybe has not been mentioned, is it is a lot sturdier than a 12-10. I know this doesn't matter so much being stored inside a mug or pot, but I like the fact that I don't have to handle the StarLyte gingerly, and it is not likely to blow away if unattended.

Marc Kokosky
(mak52580) - F

Locale: Washington, DC Area
Re: StarLyte Modified on 05/14/2013 12:40:18 MDT Print View

True I forgot about that last point. It is definitely rock solid. I've also found it a lot easier to blow out than the 12-10 stove which would blow away. I was always scared it would tip over of I blew too hard so id just let it burn out, and easte the fuel. Now it's like blowing out a birthday candle and putting the lid on it saving whatevers left.

Kevin Buggie
(kbuggie) - M

Locale: NW New Mexico
Re: Re: StarLyte Modified (can it really carry stored fuel without leaking?) on 05/14/2013 13:10:11 MDT Print View

I too like the compact size of the Starlyte M. as compared to my 12-10, and GOLD Gear stove. The latter being a real flame thrower that I love for uber-quick morning coffee boils, as long as there's not a drop of wind. The 12-10 never fails in any conditions, but the starlyte has made the cut on more trips lately due to it's size and the convenience of filling it with fuel for an overnight and leaving the fuel bottle at home.

Or that's what I thought. On three Sub24 trips lately I filled the Starlyte to the top with fuel, capped it with the provided green lid, and then watched it weep fuel at the slightest pressure applied to the lid, and any rise in the temperature during the trip. Leaking occured at the cap and at the metal seam along the side. I don't mind leaking everclear 190, but StripClean Green is something I don't want mixing with my gear. I carried it in a very small ziploc bowl to capture any leaking fuel, and without fail, the ziploc bowl is lined with fuel vapor droplets when unpacked at camp.

Also, when the stove is filled to capacity, I found it burned very hot and inefficiently (using twice the fuel for a 2.5 cup boil). On one trip in warmer weather (mid-80's)the stove full of fuel started to flame about a foot or more above the Foster's can. Scary. I was using GOLD Gear's Ti wind screen with about half of the perimeter breath holes covered on the windward side. I snuffed the flames, let it cool and then re-lit. After boiling water for FBC, I had no fuel left for morning coffee; used wood to heat instead.

Anybody else have this experience? After reading through the thread, it wasn't Zelph himself that suggested filling the stove in leu of carrying a separate fuel bottle on very short trips, but it seemed to be supported by other members.

Does it safely hold fuel in storage if I had not overfilled it? That would be useful, but not quite the 'leave the fuel bottle at home' scenario that people suggested was possible.
Do I just have a defective stove/seal?