just placed my order!!!

now the long wait for shipping.....

EDIT - I ordered the UL balaclava & pants (I already have the cocoon pullover in the same colour luckily) as well as the 180 quilt. I have ordered the regular quilt for those up to 5.10 - I'm 6 foot and didn't want the bulk of the larger size so i hope that 5.10 really means 5.10 and a bit more! (perhaps someone from BPL can advise me if the regular wll be substantially short for me?)

Edited by sideshowandy on 04/10/2007 07:07:17 MDT.

MY ORDER IS PLACED!!!!!!

Cocoon Pants and Hoody!

Edited by dstenberg1 on 04/10/2007 07:20:06 MDT.

Got my order in for a hoody and pants! I was sooooo close to pulling the trigger on the 180 quilt but stopped myself. I know, I will regret it this fall.

I thought the hoody pullover was coming in charcoal?

Yeah, I still don't understand what color I ordered for the pants and hoody.

The order form said pants are charcoal and the hoody cobalt, but the "prepurchase" announcement said the pants are cobalt and the hoddy is charcoal.

Not quite sure which one to believe...order form or prepuchase announcement?

Ahh, sorry bout the color confusion. The correct colors now appear in the product options selection boxes for each of the products:

UL Hoody, UL Pants, and UL 180 quilt all have charcoal shells. All other UL goods are cobalt blue.

PRO Pants are black. All other PRO goods are red.

All linings for all products are black.

Edited by ryan on 04/10/2007 09:14:43 MDT.

Do you think a Pro 90 quilt could get a Nunatak Arc Specialist down to 0 degrees if used as an overbag?

I understand the temp ratings are subjective but what is your opinion?

Thanks

Christopher: With a puffy jacket (Rab Quantum Neutrino) and pants (Cocoon) and the rest of the stars aligned properly, I've done it. This system is sort of on the edge, though, and I did it wishing I had *just a little more* :) I think the PRO 90 adds a solid 20 degrees, however, to a sleep system. 32 might be a push for some, ok for others.

Ryan, how low in temps. have you taken the UL180 quilt down to? I am eyeing it up but don't have experience with quilts.

I've read the sizing charts and most sizing charts generally say I need a medium but I often go with large, depending on the manufacturer. I'm kind of in-between sizes so whether I get a med or large depends on the individual garment

For reference, I have a patagonia micropuff pullover and the med fits well, though for other garments I generally get size large (My montbell thermawrap is L)

Is the pullover hoody generous in it's sizing or more of a trim fit? I would probably just use a wool baselayer under it.

Thanks!

Matthew -

The 180 is my regular 3-season mountain quilt, combined with usually, the hoody and pants. I'm pretty comfortable in this system down to freezing or so. I know someone else who's fine in it down to 20, and another (a woman) who's cold in it at 40.

I've been chilly under a tarp (no bivy) with winds in this setup at 40 degrees, and comfortable at 25 in a tent with zero wind. Shelter from wind makes a big difference for any sleep system, I suppose.

What I really like for that 10-25 degree range, as I find in the fall here in Montana, is the 180, or a light down quilt, with the Pro 90 quilt as an overbag, with the hoody and pants. That is absolutely luxurious at 15 degrees but would be an inferno for me at freezing.

Daniel,

It's fairly generous in sizing. I normally wear a Patagonia medium and the body of the small fits well enough, but I really do prefer longer arms and volume, it helps me sleep warmer, so the M is what I go with. I also like wearing it over all my layers in camp and to bed, and am not a fan of constrictive clothing, so personal preference may play a part.

Well, so much for the money I was saving for the heart transplant. But, at least I'll go ultralight.

Ryan, you mention using the Pro 90 as an overbag for the 180 (If I understood you correctly) for 10-25 degrees. Would the pro 90 also fit over the Bozeman Mountain Works Arc X down bag, or would it squash the loft out of the footbox of the down bag?

Edited by swimjay on 04/10/2007 11:40:10 MDT.

You'll squash footbox loft with any fixed footbox layering system, for sure. But there is room here, you're not going to have a problem layering cocoons over cocoons; more an issue of cocoons over down bags with big footboxes.

Man,do I feel like a fool. I was in such a rush to order that I put three other items in my cart. Then after I ordered I read the warning not to order anything but Cocoon products. I hope my order doesn't get cancelled!

I am interested in the 180 quilt. I am a little over 5' 10" but not 5' 11" Do I need to size up or is the 5' 10" mark on the regular an estimate with a small margin of error. If I get the size large and the quilt is too long, is that a major disadvantage, or will it still be managable.

Which quilt size to get?

David - the distance between the foot seam and the neck seam is 70 inches - or 5'10".

Now, that means it's going to be shorter when the quilt is cinched around your neck, when you are side sleeping, or if you are going to use the quilt as an overbag.

It's hard to say. Some 5'10ers do fine, others want the freedom of not having their toes bang into the end of the quilt.

At 5'10, a size L won't be excessive for you. The footboxes on these quilts are nice and deep, not teeny little pockets.

Thank you for your quick reply. I will measure, but it sounds like the large may be what I need.

Thanks for all your help!

Can't wait for the BMW Bivies to go up for sale.


-----Just ordered size Large!-----

Edited by dstenberg1 on 04/10/2007 15:53:56 MDT.

I'd like to see a pre-purchase option for members on these items. -Peter

Hi Peter,

Try Cocoon Pre-Purchase posted earlier in this thread.