Meetup - Yosemite Snowshoe/Ski to Dewey Pt. - Jan. 11-13
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Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
Yosemite on 01/07/2013 00:33:38 MST Print View

Here's the weather report so far.


Thursday A 20 percent chance of snow. Partly sunny, with a high near 36. North wind 5 to 10 mph.
Thursday Night A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 21. North northwest wind 10 to 15 mph becoming northeast in the evening.
Friday Mostly sunny, with a high near 35. East northeast wind 5 to 10 mph becoming north northwest in the morning. Winds could gust as high as 15 mph.
Friday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 23. Northeast wind around 10 mph.
Saturday Mostly sunny, with a high near 37. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph.
Saturday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 26. East northeast wind 10 to 15 mph.
Sunday Mostly sunny, with a high near 38. East northeast wind 5 to 10 mph becoming northwest in the morning. Winds could gust as high as 15 mph.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Weather on 01/07/2013 07:55:22 MST Print View

Hey Jack.

What elevation/area of Yosemite is that forecast for? Those lows sound pretty optimistic to me. Is that for the valley? I was up on Mt. Diablo a few nights ago... and it was damn near that cold up there.

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
Weather on 01/07/2013 08:28:50 MST Print View

@ Jacob,

That was from the NOAA web site and it was for the area of Cathedral peak and Brideveil falls. I think that should be pretty close to whre we are going.


Jacob I think you were right, I did another check and the forcast is a little different, but not much. I think before it was around 4,000 ft elevation, even though I clicked on Cathedral Peak it was still picking up the valley floor, so I redid it at almost 7,000 ft and here's what it gave me.


Thursday A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 23. Calm wind becoming north northwest around 5 mph in the morning.
Thursday Night A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 10. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph.
Friday Mostly sunny, with a high near 21. North northeast wind 10 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Friday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 14. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Saturday Mostly sunny, with a high near 25. Northeast wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Saturday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 16. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph.
Sunday Mostly sunny, with a high near 27. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph becoming northwest in the morning.



Jack

Edited by jumpbackjack on 01/07/2013 08:40:22 MST.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Re: Weather on 01/07/2013 08:55:11 MST Print View

Thanks for the info Jack.

I'm a freak when it comes to weather checking, that's all :)

I plugged in the lat and long into NOAA just now and it looked pretty similar to your original post. It's the weather so anything can change, but teens overnight seems more probable to me, esp if it's clear out. I've also used www.mountain-forecast.com in the past as another source, and they've been pretty good at predicting the weather at elevation (if curious try a search for Sentinel Dome @ 8100 ft).

Any way you cut it, it's gonna be brisk!

Edited by JacobD on 01/07/2013 08:55:47 MST.

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
Re: Weather on 01/07/2013 09:08:05 MST Print View

@ Jacob,

Brisk is a nice way of putting it, either way we better bring our warm undies!

This just made up my mind on which shelter to bring, looks like the double wall free standing 2 man heavy tent that me and my son will share.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Weather on 01/07/2013 10:25:31 MST Print View

Jack, and Jacob, how close will we be to Badger Pass? Because the forecast there calls for lows as low as 5 Fahrenheit...

Also, do we have confirmation that no fires are allowed? Not even if we lug some Duraflame logs up there?

Richard Niemi
(rickniemi) - F - M

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains
Weather Forecast / Road Condions on 01/07/2013 10:45:50 MST Print View

Here are the snow conditions, temperature, road conditions, etc according to the Badger Pass Ski website.
http://www.yosemitepark.com/DailySnowReport.aspx

Park Road Conditions:
http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/conditions.htm

This is another website I use for weather forecasts.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=37.67512527892127&lon=-119.67063903808594

I will be arriving Friday or Saturday. It depends on what happens at work.

Update: If you haven't camped in the teens before you might want to know that canister stoves don't work very well at 15 degrees unless they are designed for this type of weather. You will end up with a little tiny flame. I know from experience. You can warm up your canister by keeping it in your pocket before use.

Can't wait!
Rick

Edited by rickniemi on 01/07/2013 11:28:50 MST.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Re: Re: Weather on 01/07/2013 11:10:11 MST Print View

@ Jack
Brisk? Well, yeah... I didn't wanna be too much of a downer :)

@ Kat
Not too far from Badger Pass. I wouldn't be surprised if temps dip that low, I wouldn't mind if we get cloud cover around bedtime. A fire would be nice. Last time I had a bitter cold, oops- I mean brisk, snow outing like this the fire sure helped lift the spirits.

@ Richard
That's the same weather site I checked earlier (NOAA) with the lat and long... it must have updated because now it's showing lows of 12-15. In any event, I think preparing for 0 is a good idea.


I was thinking of maybe bringing my SL5 (just the outer) to pitch for a cook tent / room for a few to huddle up out of the breeze. I'm on the fence whether I should bring (or want to carry) it. Any opinions?

Edited by JacobD on 01/07/2013 11:15:22 MST.

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
Re: Re: Weather on 01/07/2013 21:27:38 MST Print View

I have a catalitic herater I was thinking of bringing, it runs off those 10 oz bottles and will last 8 hrs. I don't know how well it will work in those temps, I've only used it down into the mid 20's.

I also made a heater out of a quart paint can, it uses denatured alcohol and toilet paper roll for the wick, it will burn for about 3 hrs, but if you have it near silnylon that could be, how do you say "hazardous" but it does work and packs smaller and lighter.

@ Kat the trail head is only a few hundred yards from Badger Pass Lodge, and from there it's about 3.5 miles to Dewy Point.

Edited by jumpbackjack on 01/07/2013 21:29:21 MST.

Richard Niemi
(rickniemi) - F - M

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains
Staying Warm on 01/07/2013 21:45:54 MST Print View

This might be a good trip to sleep in a snowcave. Relative to the outside temperature they are fairly warm. The snowcaves I've slept in hovered around 30 even though the outside temperatures were in the 20s with super strong winds. One of the snowcaves I help build got up to the low 60s inside with two people working and a candle burning. Maybe we were just full of hot air but it sure felt good.
Rick

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Staying Warm on 01/08/2013 07:40:52 MST Print View

Looks more and more likely that we will get snow. 30% chance on Saturday and 50% on Sunday. Plus Jack is coming so that ups the chance some more...
I have enough hear to staybwarm in a hammock, but I am wondering about hanging under trees if snow starts falling off in big chunks, off the branches. Not to speak of branches themselves. Any input?

Marc Eldridge
(meld) - MLife

Locale: The here and now.
Hammock on 01/08/2013 07:53:00 MST Print View

Snow falling off of the branches onto the tarp. It is for this reason I am going to the ground.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Hammock on 01/08/2013 07:56:16 MST Print View

I was afraid of that Marc. You don't think that an extra steep pitch and a continuos ridgeline would do the job? I ask hopefully.

Marc Eldridge
(meld) - MLife

Locale: The here and now.
Re: Hammock on 01/08/2013 08:06:25 MST Print View

It really depends on how cold it will be. If it is warmer the snow will be wet and heavy. If it is colder the snow will be lighter and will break up as gut falls. The continuous ridge sounds like a good idea. I am curious about how hammocks faire in these conditions so will be watching to see how you do.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
What are the trees like, for those who know the area? on 01/08/2013 08:23:26 MST Print View

Are they windsweptwith branches growing mainly in one direction? Any smaller trees?

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: What are the trees like, for those who know the area? on 01/08/2013 08:49:56 MST Print View

Have a great trip guys I wish I could go!

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: What are the trees like, for those who know the area? on 01/08/2013 09:19:27 MST Print View

Jeffery Pine and Red Fir.

--B.G.--

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: What are the trees like, for those who know the area? on 01/08/2013 09:25:10 MST Print View

Thanks Bob. I am wondering if there are any smaller pines and firs, with less likelihood of big snow laden branches.

Marc Eldridge
(meld) - MLife

Locale: The here and now.
Re: What are the trees like, for those who know the area on 01/08/2013 09:32:13 MST Print View

Here are a couple of pictures of the area from 2 years ago.

kj

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Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: What are the trees like, for those who know the area? on 01/08/2013 09:33:20 MST Print View

If there is a big snow, then the branches are laden with it. Only if there is a big wind will the snow blow off.

For all of the times that I have been in that area, we have managed to find a small clearing within the dense forest. That way, our tents are close enough to the westward trees for some wind protection, yet they are far enough away that they don't get a snow dump.

Keep your eyes open. There may be some Great Gray Owls closeby to the southeast.

--B.G.--