"You embrace the idea that ours will be a society filled with armed guards watching over schools, churches, theaters, every public gathering, including protests, public markets, anywhere where crazies and militants and yes nra tpes can kill and strike fear in the populace"
We already have armed police or security in many places in our society:
- Subway stations
- Major shopping areas: malls, etc
- Office buildings. When is the last time you visited a business in a high rise. All require you go through security and they all have armed security
- Sporting events: Professional and college sports all have security and armed police at events
- Protest/public gatherings: all have police. Look at all the protest by union supporters, both parties, 1%, etc
- Schools in my county all have assigned resource officers (county deputies). The are not full time, but they are at their schools several times a day
- All middle and high school sporting events have armed police at the games.
- Most theaters have some sort of security
- Most federal and state buildings
Don't understand your comment. We are already at this point.
"crazies and militants and yes nra tpes can kill and strike fear in the populace"
Can you name an event where the NRA apes(assuming that is what you meant) struck fear in the populace. I don't recall any events.
"because if the only answer to gun violence is "volunteers" or low paid militias with even greater gun-power"
I never said volunteers or low paid militias. How do you derive this from my comment. I'm assuming the resources would come from the local police department like in my county. The resource officers would be dedicated as opposed to rotating. The comment on military would be qualified candidates to fulfill some of the positions. These resources in my county's schools serve a great purpose and build great relationships with the students. These relationships are what get students to feel confident in sharing about problems in the school (drugs, potential violence, etc). We have seen it first thing in our schools.
"I know the system isn't perfect but you're suggesting anarchy"
Please explain how using a county deputy in a school is anarchy. That is really far reaching.
"Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to simply stop cutting police budgets? suddenly, you want to add thousands of new "enforcement officers??" at what cost? Geeze, I'm sure that nra types are just dying to pay more taxes to pay for this"
Well yes we would have to spend money. Yes more tax dollars for a worthy cause in my opinion. Since when are liberals objecting to spending more money for government spending? As we say in the south "that dog wont hunt". Never thought I would see the liberal side use spending money as a defense. I'm for pushing the conservatives to spend the tax dollars.
"Furthermore, who the hell are the"volunteers" that we're going to turn our security over to?"
Read my post again. I never mentioned volunteers, so I'm not sure who the hell the volunteers are. In my area a lot of the local police will work the sporting events, etc for extra money.
"Brad, I haven't seen anything in your posts to suggest that you would accept reasonable gun control measures of the type that are realized throughout the western world to good effect."
What do you have in mind? I'm on the record for more background checks, enforcing the laws on the books. If you are proposing banning all guns, then yes I'm against it. I'm also on the record for not really caring about assault rifles, but I have a right to a handguns, shotguns or rifle for protection or hunting.
"But by implication you jump at the chance to turn security over to an unnamed and untrained and unvetted group of individuals who you'd arm big time."
I think military personnel are named, well trained and vetted group. Did I say "armed big time". What lead you to this comment? I merely said they were good candidates. I would assume they are armed like our resource officers or like a regular county deputy. We don't need all types of fire power at the school, but a consistent presence of a police officer is a great deterrent. We use if very effectively throughout society. Kinda like putting a security system in your house and then putting the sign at the front door. Most criminals will move on to another house.
"Just because LaPierre says it's a good idea doesn't make it so."
No the record that I'm not a NRA member and never will be. Also a very small portion of actual gun owners are NRA members, but most gun control advocates just ignore that fact.
"If strong laws are passed making it difficult for every john doe to get an assault weapon or clips, will you respect those laws, even though you disagree with them, or do you think that your buddies will come out shooting?"
I think this comment is just disrespectful. I'm a law abiding citizens and always will be. Some of these so called "buddies" are my friends who are law abiding citizens. What give you the right to make a degrading comment like that?
Do you realize that the vast majority of gun owners are NOT NRA members? Do you realize that over 75% of the NRA members support strong gun control? No you don't know these things because you only listen to the liberal media.
Jeffrey you and I have had good conversations on this thread, but I'm disappointed in your response. You took a very short comment I made and made many assumption about my stance.
All is well. It's Christmas Eve and all is good. Merry Christmas Jeffrey.