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Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
BPL server response time is crap on 12/09/2012 20:55:30 MST Print View

I'm seeing server response times anywhere from 15 seconds up to about 55 seconds. Something is wrong.

Other sites I visit are normal, like 1 or 2 seconds.

--B.G.--

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: BPL server response time is crap on 12/09/2012 21:16:10 MST Print View

Thought it was just me at first. Been slow most of the day.

David Lutz
(davidlutz)

Locale: Bay Area
"BPL server response time is crap" on 12/09/2012 21:34:21 MST Print View

Me too.

For all the policy hubbub this is the kind of thing that will drive me nuts.

jason quick
(jase)

Locale: A tent in my backyard - Melbourne
Server needs a serving! on 12/09/2012 22:02:13 MST Print View

Agreed with all.

I even got frustrated trying to write this post...it took ages to load.

Listen to us....such a first world problem! ;-)

But yes, in all seriousness, first world issues aside, I find it taking anywhere between 10 - 45 odd seconds to load sometimes too.

Grrr. :-)

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Server sucks on 12/09/2012 22:07:25 MST Print View

I agree--I thought it was just my computer or something. Somebody, please fix this. Where's Addie when we really need her? Roger, are you out there?

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Like anyone reads this on 12/09/2012 22:37:24 MST Print View

who actually has any control...



Since it is in the test forum, I give it a D.

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
BPL server response time is crap on 12/09/2012 23:40:22 MST Print View

It was bad when I tried this morning. Response time is good now, though.

Also this morning, I had problems trying to read an article in the New York Times--it slowed to a crawl and I finally gave up. At least BPL is in good company!

Rod Lawlor
(Rod_Lawlor) - MLife

Locale: Australia
Crap on 12/10/2012 01:26:30 MST Print View

But on the plus side, you can now say crap! That's new. Heh, heh, heh.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Crap on 12/10/2012 01:31:32 MST Print View

"A word used to describe something substandard."

--B.G.--

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 09:25:41 MST Print View

This is nothing new.

It's been happening off and on for more than a year.

Changing servers and forum software costs money, and while BPL might like to up-grade both, it does not seem to have the financial resources to do so.

So, fellow users, get used to it or move on.



Maybe if we all included BPL in our letters to Santa................

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: BPL server response time is crap on 12/10/2012 14:58:06 MST Print View

Hi all

First of all, I am NOT defending any poor service. No way.

However, you can not blame all of this on the server used by BPL. As the internet gets faster and the traffic gets heavier, the internet world (the techie community) is slowly becoming aware of serious network delays which are happening but should not. I will try to explain simply.

When a whole lot of traffic comes into a node anywhere along the line between you and the server, the node may not be able to shove it all through immediately. Usually the data is not lost; it is buffered in a store. The node is supposed to send back a message to your ISP saying 'please slow down a bit'. This is in the TCP/IP protocol. This happens.

However, well-meaning designers have been putting huge buffer stores into the nodes - afetr all, memory is now very cheap. But the returning message saying 'slow down' can get stuck in a buffer in another node along the way and have to wait for a few seconds. This can pile up. So the 'traffic control' part of the TCP/IP design is failing and you are starting to see extended delays. If you want to read more, search on the phrase 'buffer bloat'. It's a serious problem.

Ultimately, the cure is in two parts: faster links between nodes and smaller buffers in the nodes. This may take a while as it means some serious hardware redesign and replacement. =$$$ And it has nothing to do with the BPL server.

Cheers

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: BPL server response time is crap on 12/10/2012 15:27:39 MST Print View

So, Roger, what the rest of us do is to move out of a slow node and into a faster node so that traffic congestion is no longer a factor. Bandwidth can be infinitely cheap if you select the right providers.

--B.G.--

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 16:47:09 MST Print View

I've always noticed a big slowdown on weekdays about 3 pm. when the high schools let out. I swear the kids get on the computer before they hit the refrigerator! Early evening is often slow, too (probably when their parents get on). However, that's all sites, not just one or two (probably traffic connections related to my ISP's servers?). Yesterday, though, I saw this slowdown only on two sites, as mentioned--BPL and the New York Times. Weird.

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
Re: BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 17:21:42 MST Print View

+1 Mary D:


Every time BPL response gets slow, I always check the response times for all my other Favorites sites. It's always the same result - only BPL is lagging excessively.

I'm getting tired of seing IE9 report "waiting for response from Backpackinglight.com".

I expect slowdowns if someone is working with either the software or server hardware behind the scenes, but there's too many occurences of this for that to always be the case.

Still, what do I know? I'm not an IT guy.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 17:23:57 MST Print View

Mary D, you probably have a 10 Gigabit/sec fiber optic drop in your sewing room.

--B.G.--

a b
(Ice-axe)
Re: Re: BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 17:32:09 MST Print View

I am pirating my neibors wi-fi connection right now and i am not seeing any slow down at all on BPL or any other site.
Of course.. my standards are pretty low. I consider any internet service fine even if it takes a minute to load sometimes.
Anyhow, right now it's about 3 seconds between pages on BPL and thats from a wi-fi connection 100 feet away. (Don't worry.. it's all noble, i have permission)
Yea, the engineers say wi-fi doesn't go that far.. they are wrong.
.Pirate wifi dish
.
Perhaps you need a pirate wi-fi booster dish like i made from tin foil and card board.

I also have a matching hat i wear to keep the govt from reading my thoughts.

Edited by Ice-axe on 12/10/2012 17:36:04 MST.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 18:08:05 MST Print View

> Every time BPL response gets slow, I always check the response times for all my other
> Favorites sites. It's always the same result - only BPL is lagging excessively.
Sorry, but that tells you nothing, except that the problem does not come from your ISP. If your other Favorites are in a different State to BPL, or just off in a different compass direction, they probably won't be hitting the nodes which are congested.

Sure, it might be the InfoGears servers (which host BPL), but it might equally be congestion at a node a couple of hops away from them. You could do a nettrace ...

Cheers

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 18:51:09 MST Print View

"Perhaps you need a pirate wi-fi booster dish like i made from tin foil and card board."

Dude, you're not fooling me. That's your bidet....

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 19:20:32 MST Print View

Stop splashing!! It's not for playing in.


But he is a plumber...

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Re: Re: Re: BPL server response time on 12/10/2012 19:23:38 MST Print View

I thought the same thing, Doug.

A Magic Eraser bidet.