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Clint Warner
(kodipak) - MLife

Locale: Salt Lake City
New Big Sky Soul - double wall freestanding tent... 795 grams on 12/04/2012 20:10:24 MST Print View

Big Sky has a new shelter "Soul 1P" coming out that looks interesting.

http://www.indiegogo.com/big-sky-soul-ultra-light-tent

Unlike many of the UL tents these days, this one is truly freestanding (no stakes necessary at all, not even for the vestibule) and it looks to have great headroom too.

Comes in various models made from different fabric specs:

$99 40D "heavy" 1kg model
$149 good (weight TBD)
$199 better (weight TBD)
$399 best (795 grams)

A real double wall tent with poles lighter than most 1P trekking pole tents. And, no trekking poles required.

My only question is how will it handle wind? Those poles have to be pretty gossamer (noodly) to achieve those weights, but the x frame wedge construction is well proven as being good architecture. Thoughts???

Edited by kodipak on 12/04/2012 22:23:29 MST.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Interesting on 12/04/2012 20:24:40 MST Print View

This is interesting because I've been looking for a good tent for my parents (my mom doesn't much care for tarps). The $200 version might be just the ticket for them if there was a 2 man version.
Anybody have any comments on Big Sky's stuff? I'm not familiar with them as a company.

Clint Warner
(kodipak) - MLife

Locale: Salt Lake City
Big Sky on 12/04/2012 20:39:23 MST Print View

I know there was some time in the past where people were complaining they would pay and end up waiting for months before getting shipments with little to no response from Bob. It appears now that they won't charge you till it's ready to ship, so maybe things are better. Personally, I don't have any experience with them but will probably roll the dice on one myself. For that weight and a real tent, would be awesome for the summertime alpine climbs in the rocks where small footprint is everything and down on the sandstone in Moab where stakes and trekking pole tents are useless.

Stuart .
(lotuseater) - M

Locale: 40°N,-105°W (Near enough)
Interesting indeed on 12/04/2012 20:51:11 MST Print View

Not so much the offering, but the choice of fundraising venue. Big Sky have been around for a number of years, so they're not exactly new to this business. And their reputation for order fulfillment has been spotty.

As for Indiegogo, they're not exactly selective about whose campaigns they will back. Per the FAQ: "There is no limitation on who can use Indiegogo as long as you have a valid bank account."

Caveat emptor, I suggest.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: New Big Sky Soul - double wall freestanding tent...18 ounces on 12/04/2012 21:43:35 MST Print View

That 2013 availability could turn into a 2018 availability. Also, what is up with no weights...red flag #1 ; )

a b
(Ice-axe)
Re: Re: New Big Sky Soul - double wall freestanding tent...18 ounces on 12/04/2012 21:51:41 MST Print View

Extremely small volume.
Just mocked up the measurements with tape.
Don't think i could change hiking clothes in there without seriously pushing on the walls.
Also, the small volume combined with the fly being almost touching the inner net tents would resrict airflow.. I think this tent would be a moisture trap in full storm mode.
Same thing happened to me in my GG One a couple of times and it is the reason i switched to a seperate tarp/bug bivy with lots of space in between them and a lot of airflow around the hem line as well as a beak that is generous enough to not admit light rain when left open.

That being said, i sure like that someone is trying a new free standing design.
Personally i would drop the "worlds lightest" mumbo jumbo and concentrate on a solid free standing tent with better airflow between the fly and inner.
If it turns out to be in the 2lb range or less.. great.

As for not needing stakes at all.. Well the picture they provide clearly shows pull outs on the side of the fly that need to be staked out to prevent the fly from touching the inner.

Edited by Ice-axe on 12/04/2012 21:57:04 MST.

dale stuart
(onetwolaugh) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
Re: Re: Re: New Big Sky Soul - double wall freestanding tent...18 ounces on 12/04/2012 22:47:32 MST Print View

I see one big concern to me - how do you get in and out during rain without letting the weather into the tent and onto all your gear.
-Dale

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Hammocks! on 12/04/2012 23:47:15 MST Print View

It's not a Hennessy Hammock, so I'm not interested!

In all seriousness, I feel like there's two major problems. Perhaps the perspective of someone who never uses tents will be useful:


1. I see no airflow whatsoever. It also looks pretty small. Why double-wall when a peaked interior provides more headroom and only marginally less elbow room?

2. Why bring poles with you when the hiking poles you should probably already be using can make a shelter? I dig tents like the Nemo Meta 1P tent. Weighs 100g's more than this tent, but it looks a helluva lot roomier. I can stretch out in that thing!

I think trekking pole tents/tarps just make more sense.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 12/05/2012 00:03:20 MST Print View

Carrying dedicated tent poles is so 1999.

Pyramid tents are still the lightest, and will be for a while.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
like it on 12/05/2012 20:26:55 MST Print View

I actually like the idea and the price on the value model. If I wasn't 6'5" I would consider it more.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
BS Soul on 12/05/2012 21:32:47 MST Print View

Another design that has never seen a real trek - OK for sunny CAL maybe.
Did not even rate Roger's usual response, and gives a bad name to what he calls 'pop-up' tents.
Ditto on the weight, rain and stake issues.

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Free Standing on 12/05/2012 22:30:34 MST Print View

Looks like a great option for the tent platforms we've got out here in the northeast. Been very pleased with my 3P tent from Big Sky so far. Maybe have to give this one a try. My HMG Echo 1 might go back on the market.

Rob Daly
(rdaly) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
my opinion on 12/06/2012 06:01:32 MST Print View

I think it looks like a good design. I like the vestibule idea. Although with the entrance to the tent the way it is you'll be quite exposed to rain, etc. getting in & out. IMO, it needs to be longer and taller. It would certainly need to be staked in rough weather.

Herbert Sitz
(hes)

Locale: Pacific NW
18 ounces? on 12/06/2012 12:48:06 MST Print View

What's with the 18 ounces in the thread title? Lightest version of tent appears to be 795 grams, which is more like 28 ounces. Might have interested me at 18 ounces, at 28 ounces not so much.

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Re: 18 ounces? on 12/06/2012 12:57:00 MST Print View

Yeah it's probably more appealing to someone who doesn't always use hiking poles. If you're already carrying your poles for something else (like hiking) then you don't typically count those towards your shelter weight or volume. For example my tarp and inner tent combine to around 18 ounces. They can't pitch without poles (well i suppose you could pitch it without poles in the right location). So if I wasn't planning on using hiking poles, I'd have to carry some poles for it, pushing the weight up to around 28oz. The beauty of the BS tent here is that it's self standing. And as I mentioned earlier that's nice for situations I encounter, like sharing tent platforms where it's difficult to stake out a tarp on all sides.

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
29.5 ounces on 03/04/2013 17:08:37 MST Print View

Just got mine and set it up in a spare bedroom. Quality of construction is top notch. I really like the color too - kind of a dark green.

Inner/Floor = 11.2 oz
Fly = 9.6 oz
Poles = 8.7 oz

Total = 29.5 oz.

It's definitely free standing. I can pick it up and move it. Looks like I have full floor space and head space w/out requiring a single stake. Stakes will be useful for pulling the fly off of the inner for better breathability.

Overall, very happy. This is the tent I've been waiting for.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Nice! on 03/04/2013 18:11:38 MST Print View

I too am a fan of easy setup, freestanding tents! Curious, how long was your wait time -- between putting in the order and then getting charged and receiving your tent? Got pics?

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Re: Nice! on 03/04/2013 18:24:41 MST Print View

Hi Ben.

I placed my order on 2/22 (Friday night). Tent shipped on 2/25 (following Monday) and I received it today 3/4 (1 week later).

Prior to placing my order I had some questions about the options - particularly what the zipper options were all about (the #3 zipper option is for smaller zips - I opted for the normal more robust zippers). Bob responded quickly with answers to all my questions and instructions on how to go about ordering.

Here's a quick picture I snapped looking inside the tent with a full size x-therm pad. Note that nothing is staked out for this picture. I know it probably looks downright claustrophobic to some of you tarp users out there - but it's like a palace for me.



soul tent with pad

Here's another

soul

Edited by 7sport on 03/04/2013 18:25:54 MST.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Nice! on 03/04/2013 19:00:20 MST Print View

Thanks for the pics. Please show us some exterior pics when you have them. :)

Over the last few years, I've gone from Evolution 1P to Evolution 2P (I crave space) and finally to Mirage 2P (same big palace but even simpler set up). All are very well made. I appreciate having to pay just a small weight penalty for my palace -- but yours is crazy light. Enjoy!

Edited by ben2world on 03/04/2013 19:04:22 MST.

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Re: Re: Nice! on 03/04/2013 19:05:40 MST Print View

Agreed. BS tents are top notch. I've got a Revolution 3P tent that I share with my wife and 2 large dogs. That is an excellent shelter. Very well designed and super simple to set up. Less than 4 pounds including stakes, stuff sacks, and the accompanying ground cloth.