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Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Best synthetic summer bag? on 12/02/2012 18:47:36 MST Print View

I'm doing my research, but I'd appreciate if you guys can give me your personal advocations as well!

What's the best synthetic mid-summer bag (30º-45º) under 2lbs?

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Best synthetic summer bag? on 12/02/2012 18:57:59 MST Print View

MYOG M50 or M90 quilt with Apex 2.5 or 5

http://kringlelight.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/trying-wordpress-and-the-sin50/
pattern
http://kringlelight.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/sin50_guide.pdf

i'd say my M90 apex2.5 is in the 40-45* range and 12oz

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Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
No MYOG on 12/02/2012 19:05:34 MST Print View

I don't MYOG, sorry. I probably could, but I trust someone else's warranty.

Sorry, I should have specified.



Right now, I'm looking at the EMS Velocity 35º (1lb 15oz) and the Big Agnes Cross Mountain 45º (1lb 14oz.). Not sure why the Big Agnes one doesn't weigh less, but I guess that's why the EMS bag is 100$ more.

Kenneth Jacobs
(f8less) - F

Locale: Midwest
Enlightened on 12/02/2012 19:36:51 MST Print View

I really like the custom Prodigy Apex 2.5 Tim at Enlightened Equipment made me. Might hit him up for some ideas or to have him make you one. It's what I'd call a 45-47*F quilt made with 15D-WR outside, 10D inside 6'/Wide and comes in at 13.5oz.

HTH

KJ

Edited by f8less on 12/02/2012 19:37:23 MST.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Enlightened on 12/02/2012 20:51:53 MST Print View

I think the 4oz APEX version of the Prodigy at 35* might be what you're looking for.

-Tim

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
Re: Enlightened on 12/02/2012 22:05:33 MST Print View

I really like my "summer" quilt that Tim made me. It uses 2.5 Climashield Apex and the old M50. It is 76" long, 53" wide at the head and has a straight taper down to 39.5" at the foot and weighs 11.5 oz! I absolutely love it as my summer quilt!

I also have a 6' long, WIDE 35 F Prodigy quilt and it is great too. It has the 15D WR outer and the 10D inner and comes in at 18.2 oz. I actually pushed it to 25 F last weekend by supplementing it with a pair of down pants, socks and a parka. This was under my GoLite Poncho tarp pitched in a half pyramid.

I really like the idea of synthetic quilts for temps above 35 F or so. For me, it just makes sense...

Edited by Stick on 12/02/2012 22:20:14 MST.

Charles P
(mediauras)

Locale: Terra
Re: Best synthetic summer bag? on 12/02/2012 22:06:57 MST Print View

Not sure if best, have no experience with it, but another option (though I do like Marmot bags).

http://marmot.com/products/cloudbreak_30?p=117,141&ft=141

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Enlightened on 12/02/2012 22:10:19 MST Print View

I agree Chad. the weight difference compared to down is tiny at that range so less price and greater moisture worries apex is the way to go.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: No Cross Mountain on 12/02/2012 22:23:08 MST Print View

Heavy and cold. Cut mine up to make a quilt for my dog.

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
Re: Re: Re: Enlightened on 12/02/2012 22:23:58 MST Print View

I also like that the Climashield Apex quilts don't use the sewn thru construction to create baffles like down needs. Instead, it is simply sewn around the perimeter, which means there are no spots for even a little bit of cold to seep in...

John Donewar
(Newton) - MLife

Locale: Southeastern Louisiana
Re: Enlightened on 12/03/2012 07:34:29 MST Print View

It will be a 30*, down, 30% overstuff, 6', wide/half taper Revelation X for me.

I did the price and weight calculations on Tim's website and to get a synthetic down to about the same temperature rating actually weighs and cost more.

Synthetic works out to $190 and 27.25 ounces for a 25* rating.

30% overstuff in a 30* rated down quilt works out to $185 and 22 ounces.

That makes dollars and sense for me. ;-)

On the subject of getting the quilt wet...

I've hiked in the rain and never gotten my bag or quilt wet. I've used hammocks, tarps and I now use a Lightheart Gear Solo tent.

I'm not saying that it can't or won't ever happpen. It has just never been a problem for me.

Party On,

Newton

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Enlightened on 12/03/2012 07:44:12 MST Print View

Newton,

You're right. Colder than 35-40* down is the clear winner. However above this point small amounts of down are harder to control and the weight advantage is much less as less insulation is required. I like synthetic for summer and down the rest of the time. Also a 45* APEX bag works better at 85-90* than a down bag as my sweat is much less an issue. No matter how warm it is I can't sleep uncovered so APEX is my summer choice. My wife uses a 20* Revelation on 75* nights so clearly everyone is differant.

-Tim

John Donewar
(Newton) - MLife

Locale: Southeastern Louisiana
Re: Re: Re: Enlightened on 12/03/2012 08:07:26 MST Print View

Tim,

12 / 07 / 12 ;-)

Hopefully that will be soon enough to put it "down" underneath the tree in time for Christmas.

Party On,

Newton

Art ...
(asandh) - F
North Face Propel ? on 12/03/2012 08:15:54 MST Print View

the North Face Propel does not seem to be on the market any more.
a 1.3 lb synthetic bag that claimed a 40* temp rating.

anything like it available any where ?

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Enlightened on 12/03/2012 08:35:11 MST Print View

I sewed my quilt (first thing i've sewn on a machine since Home Ec) for around the cost of the down needed to make a 30-40*

it is not always the walking in the rain that can get your bag wet. OP is doing the Long Trail this summer i believe. Shelters can leak, wind can blow rain in, YOU can be wet, tent can be wet from you being wet, stuff spills etc.

my shoulder season quilt is RevX 20 because advantages go that way for colder.

Seth Brewer
(Whistler) - MLife

Locale: www.peaksandvalleys.weebly.com
+1 Apex Quilt on 12/03/2012 09:04:22 MST Print View

I got a good bit of info from Jake before I went and did the northern LT this past September (Maine Jct. to Journeys End in 11 days (including travel days, with the coldest night being a humid 30* and frost almost hanging in the air) and used my 30* Western Mountaineering Megalite. For SUMMER I'd for sure bring my MYOG 2.5 Apex quilt - - since WET is a bit factor on that trail, and since you can always layer up under the quilt for added warmth on a random cool evening. I'm good to 40* with a light baselayer (or just wearing my wind jacket and wind pants) with my 14 oz. CS Apex 2.5 Quilt (so easy to make you could even just whip stitch it by hand all around 4 sides). Just my 2 cents.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Re: Re: Enlightened on 12/03/2012 10:10:14 MST Print View

Newton,

Shipping 3 weeks out would put it on a truck 12/28;(

We have some in stock though email or check our gear deals thread.

-Tim

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
TNF Aleutian on 12/03/2012 14:10:10 MST Print View

The Marmot Cloudbreak 30 is slightly warmer than I was looking for, but the price and weight are right! Sadly, it looks like I can only find it in a "regular" and at 6'2", I need a long.

I found this little gem. it weighs in at 1lb 12oz, which for a 55º bag seems like a bit much, but it's only $80! That might sell me. I feel like at 55º, my clothing might even be enough... but I'm sure this bag will be warm enough for summer summits in the northeast as long as I don't do like, Mt. Washington.

http://vip.zappos.com/the-north-face-aleutian-1s-bx-long-rhubard-red#prdInfo


TNF also makes a 45º one for a couple more ounces, but I'd probably stick to the 55º personally.




And yeah, Synthetic VS Down, I like down in the winter when I need to carry around a whole bunch of it, but I've been generally pleased with Synthetic everywhere. I'll go for a down jacket as part of my sleep system but all my sleeping bags are synthetic, because high winds DO blow rain into my hammock and I DO fall into rivers sometimes...

Edited by mdilthey on 12/03/2012 14:12:20 MST.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Climashield on 12/04/2012 15:30:33 MST Print View

Personally I prefer bags with Climashield insulation. Best loft retention and this is important as loss of loft is the single biggest problem with synthetic fill bags over time.

Climashield is a continuous filament, not chopped like Primaloft. Thus Climashield will be far more durable in resisting clumping and seperating.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
synthetic fill summer bags on 12/04/2012 16:16:30 MST Print View

"I feel like at 55º, my clothing might even be enough... but I'm sure this bag will be warm enough for summer summits in the northeast ..."

Max,

I've been backpacking northeast summits for many years, and would never go out with a bag not rated at least to freezing. At the freezing point, you can rely on the insulating clothing to keep warm. If you're doing the LT, as suggested by another poster, it can get very wet also. It runs right through a snow belt, and summer rains can go for many days on end. The shelters on the LT won't add much warmth, but at least get you out of the rain with lots of space to cook etc. In my experience, the northern sections tended to be rainier than the southern, absolutely no idea why.

As to your question, I think the EMS Velocity, with PrimaLoft fill and a Pertex Qauntum shell, is as good a synthetic bag as you'll find without paying a premium price. I was hoping your thread might bring out something as good and lighter, though. Or perhaps, you may try the other posters' suggestions to use a quilt.

Best wishes for a great backpack, and please don't totally rule out The Cohos Trail.
It's not quite as rainy, is a lot less crowded, has some great lodges along the way (if you can afford lodging - around the same prices as motels, and often there are discounts for hikers), and some truly off the beaten path locations, like the Baldhead shelter, one of three north of the National Forest to the Canadian border.
Disclosure: I am affiliated with The Cohos Trail Association (volunteer work only).