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"likely, the best backpacking sleeping bag in the world."
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Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "likely, the best backpacking sleeping bag in the world." on 11/25/2012 18:29:55 MST Print View

Didn't all quilts get a 5 for warmth? I think maybe they should have used a wide since I'm not sure how much quilt experience they have. My guess is the drafts are the issue not the warmth itself


eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
kiwis to kumquats on 11/25/2012 18:59:19 MST Print View

why would you do a test of a 30F quilt to a 20F bag ? ... if yr testing you should try to isolate and minimize the variables ...

Serge Giachetti
(sgiachetti) - M

Locale: Boulder, CO
warm on 11/28/2012 00:42:10 MST Print View

I have the 40 degree rated chisos with an oz of overfill and used it in the CO high country from early may until mid october this year. I've used the sawatch below zero with layers. Both are warm, for sure.

Buck Nelson
(Colter) - MLife

Locale: Alaska
Re: kiwis to kumquats on 11/28/2012 09:19:22 MST Print View

The are saying it's "likely the best backpacking sleeping bag in the world." By default, they are comparing it to all backpacking sleeping bags in the world!

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
best on 11/28/2012 12:06:00 MST Print View

the "best" gear is what allows you to do the most ... that could be a 20$ wallymart bag or a 1000$ fancy uber mutant goose one ...

there is "bad" gear ... but never any "best" gear ... if there were then everyone would ONLY be using that on the craziest and deadliest things to do in this world ...

Serge Giachetti
(sgiachetti) - M

Locale: Boulder, CO
wow, on 11/28/2012 15:15:40 MST Print View

didnt realize the phrasing would be so contentious. The reason I posted it is because its a glowing review of a product from a US cottage startup, well loved in these parts. Thought it could provide some validation for those who made the investment, and some user insight from thoughtful, experienced outdoorsfolk for those who come here looking for that sort of thing. Speaking for myself, I've never visited this forum because I enjoy parsing meanings about outdoor gear reviews or arguing for or against personal consumer philosophies. I come here to get my kit dialed in for certain types of adventures, and to help others to do the same.

Edited by sgiachetti on 11/28/2012 15:24:40 MST.

samuel smillie
(sam_smillie) - F

Locale: central canada
scoring - meh on 11/28/2012 15:53:25 MST Print View

I enjoyed the outdoor gear lab review. It was really nice to see that they included some cottage manufactures as these guys and girls are often omitted from these reviews and deserve to have their hard work recognized.

Personally I really enjoy the attention to detail that outdoor gear lab provides on many of their reviews because it gives a nice perspective on features that might be overlooked or are surprising weak on an otherwise solid product. That being said I take the actual scoring systems they use with a giant grain of salt because in trying to cover such large topics they usually end up comparing apples to oranges (or whatever kiwi thing you guys said above ;). Take a look at the down jacket review for example. All different levels of warmth and weights with a solid representation of poor quality north face jackets that most people here would never find optimal for backcountry use.

Gotta admit, pretty cool to see them take quilts so seriously in this article though. Yay Quilts!!!

As for all you WM fans out there. Don't worry, I don't see the throne being taken any time soon

Tony Wong
(Valshar) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: wow, on 11/28/2012 15:59:21 MST Print View


I agree with you....BPL is a great resource to help you dial in your backpacking gear and to share wisdom that would be useful on the trail.

However, I have found that people here also have strong and passionate opinions that they are happy to share, which can be a great thing.

I took your posting exactly as you expect....confirmation of a good product that is from a respected UL manufacture.

Always great to see when the "little guys" get good press.

If it really is a big deal for people about the rating system, I am sure someone could take the time to email the author or the website that made the review to clarify their warmth rating system.

Regarding the debate between sleeping bag or quilt....Hike your own hike. (HYOH).

Always good to get people's opinions and experiences before buying....lord knows, I ask questions from people here about how they liked their quilt before I bought mine JRB.


Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
likely, the best backpacking sleeping bag in the world. on 11/30/2012 15:08:30 MST Print View

From an email with them: "We are using Resist-Down from Allied Feather. Made in the U.S. and third party approved to be safe for the environment and human health."

Same as Zpacks use.

Raymond Estrella
(rayestrella) - MLife

Locale: Northern Minnesota
warmest? on 11/30/2012 15:55:43 MST Print View

"the "best" gear is what allows you to do the most ... that could be a 20$ wallymart bag or a 1000$ fancy uber mutant goose one"

Dang it Eric. Now I have to find the Über Mutant Goose Down quilt. Link? ;-)

Pretty nice article for Katabatic, kudos.

As much as I love quilts I would never say one could be "The warmest 30-degree sleeping bag I've ever tested". Maybe warmest by weight, but I doubt that too. (I have never used a Katabatic quilt.) The very design of a mummy bag makes it warmer than any quilt in my experience and opinion. I don't use quilts because they are the warmest option, but because they offer the best balance of warmth-to-weight, pack-ability, and comfort.

I like that quilts are getting more publicity.

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Hmmmm... (again) on 11/30/2012 19:59:17 MST Print View

"Personally I think the WM Megalite is the best backpacking sleeping bag. If there is a Feathered Friends equavalent size and temp rating it would qualify as well."

Knowing what I know now, I would have gone with the Megalite over the Summerlite. Grrrr...

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re on 12/01/2012 02:08:19 MST Print View

This "test" from Outdoorgearlab is not professional in my opinion.

Gotta take the original post with a grain of salt.

Susan Papuga
(veganaloha) - M

Locale: USA
Re: "likely, the best backpacking sleeping bag in the world." on 12/01/2012 03:13:07 MST Print View

I'll just chime in and say that I love my Katabatic Gear Palisade. It keeps me warm to below 30 degrees. And I do hate being cold!

I sometimes think of switvhing to a synthetic quilt instead of down due to the whole wetness issue, but that would be the only reason for me to give up my Palisade.