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Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
New Episodes of UL A-Z on 11/18/2012 10:21:51 MST Print View

"Ultralight A to Z" is a video series developed by BPL Member Hendrik Morkel (Hiking in Finland), and sponsored by Backpacking Light. It is one of the benefits available with a Life Memebership.

After a long pause, there are now two new episodes available:

G = gas stoves
H =hygiene

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 11/18/2012 10:34:17 MST Print View

G came out Aug. 20th

H was released Sept. 8th

Due for another one.

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
=) on 11/18/2012 10:52:42 MST Print View

I'm working on them =)

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
Re: =) on 11/18/2012 12:57:00 MST Print View

Whatever happened to "D"?

It's been MIA since the start.

Kyle Meyer
(kylemeyer) - M

Locale: Portland, OR
UL, A to G? on 11/18/2012 16:32:54 MST Print View

Hendrik, you really blew it and are continuing to blow it. You took $11,000 from a total of 176 people in the community over a year ago (myself included) and have delivered very little value in exchange. Out of it though, you got publicity, new cameras, and surely money you used to do things other than film episodes.

Leaves a bad taste in my mouth that you would so easily break the social contract and abuse Kickstarter and people's trust to profit from this.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 11/22/2012 07:42:29 MST Print View

Well K is now out.

I paid into it as well. I am disappointed that it has taken this long. But Hendrik has already been through the ringer for this and has given his explanation.

Would rather see him out filming instead of defending himself. They obviously will be done when they are done. The fact that at the current rate we have years to go.....means disappointment will continue.

What are we still waiting for to happen so D will be finished?

I have enjoyed the series so far.

From the Kickstarter page. July 2011

Once the funding goal is reached I will start to film and edit the episodes, so the sooner we reach it, the sooner I will be out shooting! I have the majority of episodes planned, and now am eager to get out. Timing is also something you want to know; so let me tell you that I plan to upload one episode a week after the funding time is over, which means come August the project will already start to air.

Where does the money go? Tooling for DVDs, packaging, stickers, the Amazon Download service and the T-Shirts cost a little fortune, and the rest goes to paying my time for planning, filming and editing the 26 episodes. Some special camera gear is needed to get the best audio and visual quality, and costs for travelling to locations round out the costs.

The Rewards are the series itself, as well as Stickers, T-Shirts and a really slick DVD package of the finished series. The HD downloads will be a lot better in quality than the free version, and also will be available before the free version goes online - you're thus in the know a lot earlier. The DVD, Stickers and T-Shirt will be sent at the end of the series, I hope before Christmas, so that you have a nice present for yourself or a mate =)

Edited by kthompson on 11/22/2012 07:50:00 MST.

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
Re: Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 11/22/2012 09:34:26 MST Print View

@Ken:

Video K may be available out there (where?) but BPL only has the HD series through H (minus the long-lost D).


Could it be Hendrik is having trouble coming up with an appropriate UL title for D? How about:


"D"eclination - use it or lose it (and maybe yourself)

"D"iet - you are what you eat

"D"amn, I could have left this at home too.

"D"epression - what you get when you meet someone with a lighter pack than yours.

"D"eath - what you risk by going Stupid UL

Dean F.
(acrosome) - MLife

Locale: Back in the Front Range
Where are they? on 11/22/2012 11:12:06 MST Print View

Where do you get the videos?

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 11/22/2012 11:29:31 MST Print View

I helped fund this project. I got the email last night. Not sure how long it takes BPL to post it here.

@Dean To see the videos here you need to click this

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/ULAZ.html

Good thing we don't use the Khmer alphabet, 74 letters.

Edited by kthompson on 11/22/2012 12:16:40 MST.

Benjamin Moryson
(hrXXL) - MLife

Locale: Germany
Video on 11/23/2012 12:19:05 MST Print View

Wow cool. That sounds good.
Hope it is faster available than the last ones :)

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Re: Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 11/23/2012 16:34:08 MST Print View

My vote is for- "D"amn, I could have left this at home too.

That made me laugh. I swear, last time I went out I prob carried 4lbs of BS. That is my new mantra.


Hi, my name is Barry, and... Damn, I coulda left this at home too.

I'm from the south so I say "Coulda". I was gonna write 'lefis' but y'all wouldna known what I was talkin bout. That saying should read: Damn, I coulda lefis at home too.

Ole Saether
(osaether) - MLife

Locale: Norway
Sorry Barry on 11/23/2012 18:07:51 MST Print View

I am not a native and struggle to understand you. What is your point?

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Sorry Barry on 11/23/2012 20:53:09 MST Print View

No worries, Ole. I'm willing to bet even the natives don't know what I'm talking about half the time. ...Hell even I don't know what I'm talking about half the time.

Mostly I was laughing at (with) one of Bob's comments, because I find myself saying to myself how I could have left this or that at home. A mundane thought but I like phonics and the written language and dialects, which I have one, so I occasionally ramble so that I can say certain cute phrases in hopes of making cyber friends. Hasn't worked yet.

Yeah... ignore most of my posts. I have no point. Seriously.



I also wanted to make a joke about Hendrik saying: "I'm working on it =)"
but really meaning "I'm working on it ;)"

but I didn't want to pis off Mr. Morkel seeming like a mean joke.

Edited by WoodenWizard on 11/23/2012 20:55:44 MST.

Ole Saether
(osaether) - MLife

Locale: Norway
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/17/2013 04:05:54 MDT Print View

Any news on the UL A-Z videos? The link on the front page is gone.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/17/2013 06:24:57 MDT Print View

Shameful isn't it? Come on Hendrik. You were paid years ago now. I'm sorry, but this has gotten to be very lame. Years.

Hendrik seems to be keeping plenty busy doing other things...

No Bueno. I have to agree with Kyle.

There is no good explanation that can be given at this point. But I am willing to hear it.

Edited by kthompson on 04/17/2013 06:26:00 MDT.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/17/2013 06:34:31 MDT Print View

Maybe a dog ate his homework.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
New Episodes of UL A-Z? on 04/17/2013 06:35:52 MDT Print View

..or the baby hit delete.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z? on 04/17/2013 07:05:18 MDT Print View

Or a bear stole the Hd video camera.

Edited by stephenm on 04/17/2013 07:05:51 MDT.

Daniel Fish
(daniel@fishfamilypdx.com)

Locale: PDX
... on 04/17/2013 07:21:31 MDT Print View

...

Edited by daniel@fishfamilypdx.com on 06/09/2013 09:26:02 MDT.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: D is for Don't Fail your Sponsors? on 04/17/2013 07:47:32 MDT Print View

I had a good laugh of that Daniel.

Edited by stephenm on 04/17/2013 08:05:54 MDT.

Mike Stromsoe
(phstudio) - F - M

Locale: So. Cal.
Finland and Kickstarter on 04/17/2013 19:53:33 MDT Print View

Apparently this was big news in Finland. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/08/050233/finnish-bureaucracy-takes-issue-with-crowdfunded-textbook

"Senja Larsen, who runs popular Facebook study group Senja teaches you Swedish, collected $14,161 via Kickstarter's crowd funding service. The project caught much media attention in Finland (TV and all major newspapers), since it is the first crowdfunded book project in this country, and among the first Finnish crowdfunded projects. (Previous ones include the movie Iron Sky, the role-playing game Myrskyn Sankarit, and the Wishbone headphone wire manager). Now, after successfully collecting the funds for the book (and after the book has been edited and printed), the National Police Board of Finland has asked Senja to submit a statement [PDF; Finnish] concerning using crowdfunding to finance a project [PDF; Finnish] and the terminology used. It is possible that all the funding collected must be returned. The main problem is that direct translations of terminology at Kickstarter, such as 'bounty' and 'support,' are interpreted to mean collecting money without giving anything back, and this kind of operation requires a permit which can be only given to associations, not to private persons, and it takes long to apply for such permit."

How is this much different than Hendrik, a Finnish resident? Well, actually I would imagine that donors of Senja Larsen would have actually received what they paid for.

I did not contribute to Hendrik's Kickstarter project, but if I did I would be accusing him of theft right about now. "Funding ended: Jul 31, 2011" That's long enough to figure out how to use his nice expensive HD camera bought with Kickstarter funds.

Frank H.
(porker110) - F

Locale: California
New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/17/2013 20:00:28 MDT Print View

If you feel like giving more of your hard earned money to Henrik just buy him a cup of coffee or a nice Finnish lunch.

https://holvi.com/shop/hikinginfinland/

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Finland and Kickstarter on 04/17/2013 20:16:04 MDT Print View

I think the "crime" was committed is the US. It was funded via Devon Montgonery through a US funding source, then the money was sent by Devon to Hendrik. Sounds like Devon did this in good faith and should not be criticized.

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/17/2013 20:27:44 MDT Print View

Devon laundered money so Hendrick could get money undisclosed ?

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/17/2013 21:25:15 MDT Print View

It was all upfront on the Kickstarter page. Everything.

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/17/2013 21:37:10 MDT Print View

Wasn't Devon involved in a scandal with Jon a Blahblablah ? Didn't Jon order a stove and paid and waited and waited and waited ?


I see a pattern !

Take money, make people wait, and wait, and wait: KICKSTARTER !

Edited by redmonk on 04/17/2013 21:54:36 MDT.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/18/2013 02:14:55 MDT Print View

D = Detachment

Greg F
(GregF) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Kickstarte on 04/18/2013 04:08:45 MDT Print View

Is kickstarter actually making a purchase? I always saw it as an investment in something and not a guarenteed return. It isnt like ordering something from amazon, there is risk involved. It could be that the entire budget has been spent and their isnt any money left for filming. If that were the case and the money was spent honestly I wouldnt say that their is any theft going on. People made an investment and that investment didnt turn out. The level of risk is why it is funded on kickstarter and not from a bank.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 06:21:24 MDT Print View

As a supporter, goods were promised. So it is a purchase if you pitched in with enough. Disc sets, stickers, etc.. were all promised

Need more info on failed Kickstarter projects and monies.

Sucks either way.

spelt !
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 07:20:29 MDT Print View

I thought if projects weren't delevered you had to give the money back--on kickstarter. It's indiegogo where the project head can take the money and run.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 08:00:33 MDT Print View

Seems like any money given to kickstarter should be written off, mentally at least. Consider it a contribution to a worthy person.

If you ever get anything back for your money, consider it a bonus.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 08:06:48 MDT Print View

"Seems like any money given to kickstarter should be written off, mentally at least. Consider it a contribution to a worthy person. If you ever get anything back for your money, consider it a bonus."

Kinda like voting for Democrats. Not sure about the worthy part though.....

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/18/2013 08:28:38 MDT Print View

I didn't invest in the videos, but I did support Devon. Received my stove in a timely fashion. No issues.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 08:29:18 MDT Print View

For all of you that supported the BPL pack rafting videos - how are those coming along?

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 08:38:12 MDT Print View

"Need more info on failed Kickstarter projects and monies."

83% are not completed on time per Kickstarter.

Thoughts on this charity

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 09:23:41 MDT Print View

"Kinda like voting for Democrats. Not sure about the worthy part though....."

Ha, ha, ha Doug - just trying to get a reaction out of me : )

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 09:26:01 MDT Print View

"83% are not completed on time per Kickstarter.

Thoughts on this charity"

I have to agree with you, Nick

I'm not planning on funding any kickstarter campaigns

It is interesting to see how "the internets" evolves over time

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 09:36:28 MDT Print View

We have to be smart buyers. If you fund a Kickstarter project and expect to get a product or service, it is buyer beware. Remember the Backcountry Boiler? Devon delivered, but was way behind schedule. A lot of these projects are by people with little business experience, and they get in over their heads. If they knew what they were doing (good product, business experience, etc.) they would not need Kickstarter, they could go through regular product development. Of course with anything in life, there are exceptions.

Now if you view Kickstarter as charity, you are good to go :)

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 09:55:37 MDT Print View

"Ha, ha, ha Doug - just trying to get a reaction out of me : )"

Drats. I see I'll have to be more clever, which, unfortunately, is not my forte.....

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Kickstarter on 04/18/2013 19:46:26 MDT Print View

"Seems like any money given to kickstarter should be written off, mentally at least. Consider it a contribution to a worthy person. If you ever get anything back for your money, consider it a bonus."

F that. That's too much like enabling. Wait. it is.

But I shan't Kickstart again.

Michael Ray
(topshot) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/22/2013 07:30:35 MDT Print View

It would be one thing if Hendrik had fallen off the face of the earth like Kooka Bay essentially did, but he continues to update his blog and go on trips so he certainly has the time to make videos. Granted I wouldn't expect a lot to be done during the winter, but he should well know that poor communication his been a major issue at BPL. A couple simple updates on progress goes a long way (for me at least).

> For all of you that supported the BPL pack rafting videos - how are those coming along?

Fair. There have been 2 updates since funding. I'd expect another one soon. However, as to deliverables, I don't see a Supporters listing on LearnToPackraft.com (est delivery Mar 2013) and I haven't yet received a signed postcard from the crew (est delivery Apr 2013). So I'll give them a C for now.

Link .
(annapurna) - MLife
Re: Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/22/2013 10:02:55 MDT Print View

I think he is to busy now that he has started a business giving guided trips ,anybody want to prepay for a trip:)

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: Re: New Episodes of UL A-Z on 04/22/2013 11:23:08 MDT Print View

Someone will pay for it.

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
Re: Re: D is for Don't Fail your Sponsors? on 04/22/2013 12:01:15 MDT Print View

Well, at least we can't blame BPL for this.

Or can we?

I would have appreciated an Admin post along the line of "Due to circumstances beyond our control (the failure of the contractor to deliver the promised articles), this feature can no longer be provided. Sorry about that, guys and gals.".

Edited by wandering_bob on 04/22/2013 12:01:56 MDT.

Kyle Meyer
(kylemeyer) - M

Locale: Portland, OR
O is for Obvious on 05/19/2013 23:38:58 MDT Print View

Hendrik on January 25th, 2013:


Good morning Kyle,

and a belated, Happy New Year to you! I hope you had a good start into January and already were able to enjoy the outdoors! I have been indoors myself mostly this month, finishing my Travel Guide about the Pirkan Taival Trail, due to hit the shelves later this spring. However, I gathered some valuable feedback amongst some of you and this has helped me to address what you expect from ULAZ better. First off there's a production schedule in place which you hopefully will be delighted to hear. It should mean more regular videos for your viewing pleasure, starting in February. It also was suggested to give some more advanced tips, which I also will try to incorporate in the next episodes. If you have further feedback or suggestions, please hit reply and let me know!


Four months later, two episodes have come out and the information in the videos is inane. The videos skip over important information for beginners and provide nothing for the experienced backpacker. For instance, I learned in episode P (for Poles) that trekking poles come in fixed length as well as adjustable length and can be used to hold up a tarp or camera. In episode L (for Lights) I learned that red lights preserve night vision. Here's a secret: everyone already knew this stuff, including people who don't even hike. The videos don't even attempt to explain why anyone should care about the information being provided.

This video series had an opportunity to be a voice for true ultralight backpacking tips. A thoughtful, personal look into small ways in which we can enhance our outdoor experiences through knowledge, lighter gear, or dual use. Instead, Hendrik took $11,000 (and a lot of good will) from the community without giving anything valuable back. After getting $11,000 from the community, he further leveraged this idea by getting corporate sponsors (including this site). It's easy to assume he made more than the $11,000 and gained much publicity.

Like Michael Ray mentions above, it'd be one thing if Hendrik fell off a cliff or stopped being active in the community. That's simply not the case. He took our money, bought some new toys, and moved on. Meanwhile, his blog creeps every forward toward a fully paid advertisement for gear he's given by companies.

I don't normally get worked up about losing $15, but the way Hendrik has handled this has been horrible.

In summary: RAH IM MAD

Edited by kylemeyer on 05/19/2013 23:40:08 MDT.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: O is for Obvious on 05/20/2013 05:53:01 MDT Print View

You have to chalk it up to a lesson learned. I am sorry he took advantage of many on this forum. He likely could care less since he has new equipment to further his future trips and earnings. And, he doesn't live in this country. But, his bad Karma may turn on him ; ).

When considering giving money to others for any reason, think about how you may feel if you get nothing in return. If it will make you angry, do not give to the cause. Kickstarter is a waste of most money.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: O is for Obvious on 05/20/2013 08:35:43 MDT Print View

That's pretty funny

I agree with you totally

Maybe you will get $15 of entertainment out of it?

Yeah, I think when you give $15 you have to let it go and not expect anything in return. Then maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised.