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Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
temp on 11/09/2012 13:16:50 MST Print View

@richard - i assume you are asking about the dryer...well i didnt measure it (as i have yet to get my hands on a relevant thermometer) but even on high the garment was not even hot to the touch - and i know hot to touch is around 50+ deg C.....

My fried (who is an industrial engineer, amateur hiker and general Feinschmecker was with me and he commented that on his high end dryer (mine is like a cheap one) the garments are HOT to the touch when you take them out. He will also get me a thermo couple to help measure the iron...

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: arrrgh#$%$#% on 11/09/2012 14:00:12 MST Print View

Hi Michael

Just normal ironing is fine.
Hey - try it with the iron then with the hose.

Cheers

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Nik Wax wash on 11/09/2012 15:38:36 MST Print View

1. I use Nik Wax wash for WPB garments

2. I rinse THREE times

3. I dry at Medium temp (about 150 F.)

4. I spray garments thoroughly with REVIVEX

This process alwayd gies me great DWR.

Sometimes I just put the garment in for a double rinse (warm water) & dry at 150 F. This is good for between actual washes.

DO try to stay out of wood smoke as this ruins the WPB membrane's ability to resist exterior water.

Edited by Danepacker on 11/09/2012 15:40:00 MST.

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
how do you know on 11/10/2012 07:54:08 MST Print View

@Eric
how do you know the medium setting on your machine is 150F (btw that seems quite high for a dryer...it would mean the high is too warm to touch...)

I do the same thing (washed with techwash and rinsed with dubious amounts of water) but the prob is the heat in dryer isnt enough

Mike

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
Stop the presses! on 11/12/2012 23:54:22 MST Print View

I might be confused but quite a few temps were talked about here...

Arcteryx's website says 40C/104F
Gore doesnt say a thing (just "high"

and temps here eanged btw 140F (@richard) to 140C (@roger...but I assume that is a typo?

Help?

Richard Nisley
(richard295) - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Stop the presses! on 11/13/2012 08:20:10 MST Print View

The manufactures have to be conservative so they don't get consumer warranty claims. The temps used for DWR setting at the factory are much higher than they recommend for consumers.

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
bottom line? on 11/14/2012 03:42:17 MST Print View

@richard - understood...but at the end of the day what do you recommend for this? 140C? 140F? something else?

Thanks
Mike

Richard Nisley
(richard295) - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: bottom line? on 11/14/2012 05:51:12 MST Print View

140F

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
thanks on 11/15/2012 05:57:04 MST Print View

10x ...off to iron and will report back :)

Mike

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Stop the presses! on 11/15/2012 13:34:58 MST Print View

> and temps here eanged btw 140F (@richard) to 140C (@roger...but I assume that is a typo?
Not really. But Richard answered that one.
Nylon melts around 240 C from memory.
40 C - that's the 'ouch' temperature for touch. By recommending not-above that they avoid comnsumer liability issues.
One good trick if your iron does not have a good temp dial is to get the iron *just* to steam temp. That will not hurt nylon.

Cheers

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F - M
grangers on 11/15/2012 22:03:59 MST Print View

dead bird recommends it since its flurowhadduhyoucall it ... lasts longer ;)

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
success...?? on 11/25/2012 00:17:17 MST Print View

Hokay

so i did the iron thingi @about 120C (according to my new IR thermo...BTW @richard nisley - although i am familiar with the emissivity issue from thermal cams in my current tests there didnt seem to be significant diff btw taped vs non taped iron)

The gtx seems better in the yard hose test....now when i come to think about this - HOW WOULD YOU TEST DWR thoroughly? (assuming there is barely any rain in israel....

should i just compare it to my eVent pants side by side under hose?

Mike