can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight?
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mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 10/30/2012 08:08:47 MDT Print View

I have a toothbrush and toothpaste (in it's own tube big enough for I'd say 7 days once a day brush) that weighs .39ounce or 11grams.

Here There
(cowexnihilo) - MLife
Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 10/30/2012 08:30:06 MDT Print View

I'll play but you might consider it cheating...

Take a small twig (evergreen is nice) and chew the end until it gets fuzzy. Brush thoroughly for a piney-fresh feel, then return to nature.

Weight: 0 grams


-David


Here's a random picture I found in case you're not sure what I'm talking about:

Twig Brush

Here There
(cowexnihilo) - MLife
Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 10/30/2012 08:31:52 MDT Print View

Out of curiosity, care to share a pic of your setup? What kind of toothbrush is it?

-David

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 10/30/2012 08:44:06 MDT Print View

I'd like to hear what it is as well-on shorter trips I use a Wisp toothbrush w/ a tiny vial of toothpowder (the stuff that comes w/ the Wisp goes into the garbage- it doesn't work imo)- it's very light, but the Wisp is only good for a couple of days and as the "bristles" break down pretty quickly

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: NorCal
I think Zpacks would be a tie on 10/30/2012 13:20:04 MDT Print View

The tooth paste Zpacks sells with its setup is 7 grams (weigh declines with use), smallest I've ever seen. The brush is 4.5 grams, 9 grams if you bring the handle extension piece.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
pics to come on 10/30/2012 13:57:38 MDT Print View

I have tried to upload images before to BPL with zero luck. Will take some pics and get back to you hopefully will be able to do so. But in the mean time it is basically a cut down toothbrush modified from a travel pack and the smallest tube of paste I have ever seen. I bought it from the 'travel section' of the chemist (drugstore).

ps;I started with those whisps(?) too but found them to be next to useless. One thing is that the toothpaste provided on each one is too small an amount and the handle is too short to effectively reach around in my mouth. Also the head was tiny....too much hard work. The dentist told me that plaque removal is not about how hard you brush but brushing softly for a longer time.

Stay tuned pics to come.

Paul Wozniak
(PaulW)

Locale: Midwest
can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight?" on 10/30/2012 14:36:10 MDT Print View

Not sure about your toothbrush but I can beat your toothpaste weight. I don't bring toothpaste or toothpowder. I think toothpaste is not much different than deodorant (which I also don't bring) - mostly there for the smell. At least short term where fluoride doesn't matter.

I believe brushing twice per day with a water rinse and using a tootpick (ala Victoronix Classic) is plenty good over a week. I could be wrong but nobody has complained yet.

I too would like to see your toothbrush. Mine is a childs brush from the dollar store.

Tony Wong
(Valshar) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: pics to come on 10/30/2012 18:45:29 MDT Print View

Mik,

If you are trying to upload your pictures, you may have to use software to resize them to below 4 megs.

Or simply reduce the quality of the photos so that they will be able to upload.

I have a 10 megapixel pocket camera and I have to resize each shot to get them to upload.

When I had a 3.2 megapixel camera, I did not have to resize anything.

-Tony

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Re: pics to come on 10/30/2012 18:49:04 MDT Print View

also have to use html format, not the "normal" IMG that most forums use

Nico .
(NickB) - MLife

Locale: Los Padres National Forest
SUL toothbrush... And multi-use on 10/30/2012 22:12:03 MDT Print View

4.2 grams for the toothbrush head attachment. Connects to the ti stake or fire steel you already carry to create a longer handle.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/xdpy/forum_thread/3668/

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 10/31/2012 00:17:03 MDT Print View

Nico
I can think of better and easier ways to introduce extra germs into my mouth , but that is a good start...

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight?" on 10/31/2012 05:32:41 MDT Print View

Paul, Yeah, toothpast is NOT necessary for most hiking.
A smallish tooth brush head works fine.

Mary R
(pietimer) - MLife
toothpaste on 10/31/2012 12:17:42 MDT Print View

I discussed the toothpaste need with my dentist a few weeks ago. He said "If you brush well, you can go a long time without toothpaste.". To get get some clarification, I added "Well, sometimes I'm out for a few weeks...". He then replied "That's fine. You can go a long, long time with out toothpaste.".

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
toothbrush on 10/31/2012 18:40:00 MDT Print View

I rarely bring a toothbrush.
Im not planning on making out with any of my hiking buddies.
I can do without brushing for a couple weeks
People did it for thousands and thousands of years

But when I do, its a cut down one and a tiny ziplock with a bit of baking soda.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 10/31/2012 19:55:52 MDT Print View

People did it for thousands and thousands of years

yes people with bad teeth ...
3500 years ago the Egyptians already used a stick very similar to the one posted above by David with a mixture of rock salt ,mint and pepper as a "toothpaste'
Apparently that mix caused gum bleeding but it was a sure sign that there was already then a need for oral hygiene.
BTW, here in Australia we have plenty of gum trees, twigs from them make a good eucalyptus oil impregnated toothpick.
(eucalyptus oil is antiseptic and a deodoriser)

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
teeth on 11/02/2012 06:40:44 MDT Print View

You dont HAVE to brush your teeth.
It is grooming, just like shaving, or brushing hair.

Any inference that you will damage your teeth or health by not brushing for a week or two is totally absurd.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
here is the picture on 11/02/2012 17:02:17 MDT Print View

11grams

It's basically a $2 travel pack toothbrush from the drug store/chemist. I just cut away all the useless bits but am kind of thinking that a cut down child's brush might be about the same weight.

I love the feeling of clean teeth going to bed......that's how I roll :).

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 11/06/2012 13:39:56 MST Print View

J. David Lantz,

I do the same thing. Another woodsy thing you can do is find a fibrous plant, strip off a fiber, and use that to floss your teeth. Just make sure it's not poisonous.

David Adair
(DavidAdair) - M

Locale: West Dakota
Re: Re: Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 11/06/2012 14:00:31 MST Print View

I have a tooth brush that a hotel gave me when I forgot mine. Full size and weighs 10 grams. It needs to be replaced so I must remember to forget my brush next time I go there.:)

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Oral health on 11/06/2012 14:53:18 MST Print View

"You dont HAVE to brush your teeth..."

True. You just have to brush the ones you want to keep.

"Any inference that you will damage your teeth or health by not brushing for a week or two is totally absurd."

As a dentist, I find that statement absurd, MB. 2-3 days of not brushing will most certainly have an effect on oral health. I'm not trying to smack you down, but I don't want others to think they can get away with what you are suggesting.

Changing the topic, here's a photo of a man in Mali using what the Arabs call a miswak to clean his teeth. It's cut from a root of a very fibrous desert bush. They chew on the end for awhile to separate the fibers. It isn't a perfect brush, but it works sort of OK.

Miswak

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 11/06/2012 15:11:32 MST Print View

Restorative dentistry is very expensive. I have quite a few thousand $$$ invested in my teeth. No way will I go without a brush with handle (travel brush is the lightest and most effective for its weight, I've found) and floss. (The floss can substitute for thread if sewing repairs are needed.) I do use baking soda (with my dentist's blessing), which is lighter and more versatile than toothpaste and doesn't leave white spots on the ground or foliage when I spit it out.

No way will I save a few grams with the result of spending a lot of $$$ that I could have spent for something else, like transportation for a backpacking trip or for gear! (With apologies to the dentists here!)

Edited by hikinggranny on 11/06/2012 15:15:00 MST.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 11/06/2012 16:52:52 MST Print View

Yeah, skip the toothpaste.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
I am a little worried about some of the responses on 11/09/2012 14:32:28 MST Print View

Interesting how some of you forgo some of the basic hygiene and personal grooming whilst out in the wilderness. I guess you can say you'd 'feel' closer to nature this way and if that's your thing then yeehaa to you. I just do not enjoy a trip where I cannot 1.brush my teeth (I hate the furry feeling to start with). 2.Wiping sweaty bits and pits, even just wiping these few parts with a wet towel or wetwipes (which are lighter) enables bits not to stick and stink and so your camp relax and sleep are just that more enjoyable. 3.deodorant, 1 day is not too bad, 2nd and consequent days are just plain wrong without step 2. and a deodorant application. One of the dudes I go hiking with has a how shall I put this....unique body odour, if I smelt like that to someone else I would not feel comfortable sharing the same area as them out of embarasment.

That's me and no I am not loosing sleep over whatever grams/ounces this costs me.

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 11/09/2012 17:18:16 MST Print View

I long time ago I MYOG'd this setup, still using it and love it. I now use my Swedish FireSteel Mini as the handle.

I've been to the dentist and ain't no one going to convince me to take a finger brush or baby's tootbrush. David's technique with the stick is actually very effective too. In India they use the neem tree twigs which are a natural antiseptic or some anti-x'ish quality.

Here's the original post from 2006:
SUL Toothbrush -- with REAL Full Size Head

set

Edited by jhaura on 11/09/2012 17:21:02 MST.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
I like your idea on 11/09/2012 22:46:42 MST Print View

Not bad at all especially if you have multi add-ons.

My spoon is a party plastic spoon weighing in at 5.something grams. So my toothbrush + paste + spoon comes to 16.something grams very close to your mark. I was actually going to hack saw bits out of the end of the spoon to make it into a spork, not for the savings in weight but more so for the extra benefit of the semi fork front edge of the spoon.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Toob Toothbrush on 11/24/2012 21:04:25 MST Print View

Toob makes a travel toothbrush. The plastic case is nonsense, throw it out, but the toothbrush heads are made of extremely light cheap plastic, and are NOT connected to the plastic casing. Replacement heads are 2 for $2.95 at EMS and, with practice, are just the right length for serious and thorough brushing.

Plus, the reusable toothpaste tube works great, and it lets you steal toothpaste from hostels and nice old ladies along the trail. I love this setup, but I don't know the grams. probably a little more than some because of the toothpaste holder, but I bet my toothbrush weight slaughters some of yours because of how cheap and light the plastic is.

Here's a link:

http://www.rei.com/product/737990/aurelle-toob-brush

Edited by mdilthey on 11/24/2012 21:24:47 MST.

John Donewar
(Newton) - MLife

Locale: Southeastern Louisiana
Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 11/24/2012 21:22:27 MST Print View

It's not lighter or the lightest but it works for me.

The toothbrush is a ....

G U M self storing travel toothbrush

I stuffed the zip lock of 10 Archtek tabs inside of the self storing handle of the brush along with the brush itself. Total weight of the kit is now 27 grams with a relatively "full size" toothbrush!

Toothpaste tablets

You'll notice that there is a large chunk of plastic on the rear of the brush section of the G U M unit.

G U M self storing travel toothbrush 2

It is just begging to be drilled full of holes or somehow cut down to get rid of some of that dead weight.

The self storage "case" portion has ventilation holes. More of those could be added or enlarged for more weight savings.

Party On,

Newton

Susan Papuga
(veganaloha) - M

Locale: USA
Colgate Wisp on 12/01/2012 03:34:43 MST Print View

the toothpaste dot last for about 4 brushings.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
Re: Re: can anyone beat my toothbrush and paste weight? on 12/23/2012 15:20:00 MST Print View

John, your toothbrush is almost identical to the one I 'started with' before I got to it with a hack saw and other tools.

I like the pallet toothpaste idea!!

Nathan Hays
(oroambulant)

Locale: San Francisco
Toothpaste carrier on 01/23/2013 21:39:36 MST Print View

If you like using toothpaste, squeeze a bunch into a plastic straw and fold the ends over. One end gets taped permanently shut, the other has an easy to remove rubber band.

This works for all kinds of things including seasonings, sunscreen, etc..

Sumi Wada
(DetroitTigerFan) - F

Locale: Ann Arbor
Mine's close... 12g set on 01/28/2013 20:40:31 MST Print View

I was in Japan in November and every hotel had these toothbrush/toothpaste sets as part of the bathroom amenities. I cut down the handle to 5" and the set is 12g.

I fully admit to cleaning out every single hotel I stayed in... :D

toothbrush

Gregory Stein
(tauneutrino) - F

Locale: Upper Galilee
Why not dried tooth paste? on 03/25/2013 03:52:56 MDT Print View

Hi folks!

Why don't you put 2 pieces of tooth paste for each day of hiking. Then dry them (2-3) days. Then put them into ziploc bag. Add some tooth powder or even wheat flour to keep pieces separated (I don't even add powder).
0) Works great!
1) ziploc is lighter than any tube
2) you carry the exact amount of paste you need.

Before use, just chew a little the piece of dried paste.

Tony Ronco
(tr-browsing) - MLife
Dried toothpaste dots on 03/25/2013 10:52:47 MDT Print View

I've experimented with dehydrated toothpaste dots, and I found they don't re-hydrate all that well :-(

Perhaps that's the "nature of the beast" (= and just get over it - that they don't rehydrate completely) or perhaps there's a better way of drying them out.

In the meantime, I'm still relying on Dr.Bronners

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Dried toothpaste dots on 03/25/2013 11:13:49 MDT Print View

Eco-Dent tooth powder.

Mike V
(deadbox) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
Re:Dried toothpaste dots on 03/25/2013 12:51:16 MDT Print View

I found that toothpaste dots do not re-hydrate very well either, they typically resulted in a mouthful of toothpaste chunks. I ended up deciding to apply the same technique that works for re-hydrating dehydrated meats; smaller pieces. I ended up throwing my toothpaste dots into a coffee bean grinder. The end result was something similar to toothpaste powder but it is malleable enough to pinch into a wad of paste that can easily be placed on the brush head. The best part is that it re-hydrates into more or less normal toothpaste in my mouth almost instantly. I simply carry the appropriate amount in a medicine size zip lock, for a 3-5 day trip the weight doesn't even register on my scale.