Underquilt or Pad?
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seth mcalister
(sethmcalister) - F

Locale: New Hampshire
UQ on 05/20/2013 17:30:11 MDT Print View

Just got my Tewa UQ in the mail today. Went with the Breeze but had Mike make it out of momentum 50. Final weight, without any trimming of the shock cord, is 8.3 oz.

Taking it out this weekend for a test.

Steve Meier
(smeier) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Breeze or Antifreeze? on 05/21/2013 09:22:30 MDT Print View

I am new to hammocking and looking to get my first UQ. I went to Te-wa's website as quite a few members seem to use their products. If you had to go with only one underquilt, would you go with the Breeze (summer UQ) or Antifreeze (3-season UQ)? I mostly hike in the summer but get into fall and early spring weather when in the Rockies at altitude.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Breeze or Antifreeze? on 05/21/2013 09:33:21 MDT Print View

It's just like buying a sleeping bag. Your personal cold sensitivity, weight, bulk, and expense are all factors.

If you want to extend the warmth of your underquilt, you can supplement it with a folded space blanket between to add a few more degrees of coverage, or use both UQ and CCF foam pad. You can also add an undercover, which blocks wind and rain--- like a windshirt for your hammock.

mark henley
(flash582) - F
Quilt hooks on 07/30/2013 18:36:35 MDT Print View

They make underquilt hooks that you can sew to the sides of the hammock ..... Way better than snaps. Dutch ware makes them from TI.

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F
Underquilt or Pad? on 08/03/2013 19:42:14 MDT Print View

There are 3 different types of UQ hooks sold by Dutch, and I have all three to try.
Obviously the aluminum hooks that you sew to the hammock are the most bullet proof, but I held off on those to try the simpler plastic hook that fastens over the edge of your hammock. I guess they would be okay for a super tight edge hammock, but mine is a little floppy (wide) so they did not work so well. They should be useful for something else though. You could sew a small piece of cord on the edge and that clip would hook on better to that.

I think the best option will be the 2 pc mini clips from dutch, IE one end sewn onto the hammock edge and one fastened to the UQ suspension line and you just clip them together. They are tiny though so dont know how they would work with really cold fingers. Int he cold Something slightly bigger might work better like 1/2 inch Side Release Buckles (quick release buckles) They weigh .1 oz each so .4 oz for 4.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Underquilt or Pad? on 08/03/2013 19:50:48 MDT Print View

I'm a fan of UQs, not a fan of pads at all. I sweat too much and the 2 times I used a pad my legs were in a small puddle by morning.

As far a UQ clips, I like the JRB clips. Small, light carabiners on each end of a shock cord. Work great.

Kevin Babione
(KBabione) - MLife

Locale: Pennsylvania
Tewa Summer Breeze UQ on 08/04/2013 13:47:56 MDT Print View

Steve,

I've had my Summer Breeze UQ from Tewa down to 31 degrees and was comfortable, but I will note that it was an early April night in PA mountains without any wind. My top quilts have a nice footbox and I find that I don't compress the insulation under my feet so having a short UQ doesn't hurt me.

Lapsley Hope
(Laps) - M
Underquilt on 11/27/2013 07:08:57 MST Print View

Tried a pad, didn't like it. Underquilts just work better.

Victor Jorgensen
(dblhmmck) - F

Locale: Northern California
Pads or UQ with Bridge hammocks on 11/27/2013 11:40:21 MST Print View

If using a bridge hammock, pads work very well. I like the NeoAir and Exped UL Synmat, both are the largest size, about 25" wide. I use them with the WBRR and other bridge hammocks. I also own 3 Warbonnet Lynx UQs, and I love the fit and comfort.

Currently, I am more likely to bring a pad. The advantages for me are that I remain sleeping on my back with only minor adjustments towards side sleeping. In any other sleeping arrangement, I toss over to both sides, and over on to my stomach, and alternately curl into a tucked position. I sleep sounder and less interrupted on my pad.

Also there is the wind factor. Bridge hammocks spreader bars make tarp set up wider, allowing strong winds to blow under and steal the warmth from the UQ. That does not happen when the hammock has a full length pad in it. I can also set my bridge up lower to the undergrowth if I don't have an UQ that I need to protect. Of course, I could get a tarp that is larger than the HG hex that I am now using.

On the downside, there can be condensation, and the pad does not feel as nice against my skin as the hammock (The Exped is OK, but the NeoAir fels a little "plasticy"). Anyway, that is my opinion, and I have spent many years of hammock hanging dialing it in.

Edited by dblhmmck on 11/27/2013 11:45:22 MST.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Underquilt or Pad? on 12/09/2013 16:55:57 MST Print View

Regarding Te-wa, Are they still in business?

Their website has been severely broken for several months.

Edited by brooklynkayak on 12/10/2013 02:42:07 MST.

Marc Eldridge
(meld) - MLife

Locale: The here and now.
Re: "Underquilt or Pad?" on 12/09/2013 19:30:29 MST Print View

I just received a Breeze and a Freeze with 2oz over fill from Te-wa. Had some M50 shipped to him from Thru-hiker and he made the quilts from this material. Great workmanship and good service.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Underquilt or Pad? on 12/14/2013 12:31:55 MST Print View

I recently changed to a system that is a combination blow up 3/4 pad(Klymit Inertia X Wave), 1/8" full length Evazote pad and a full length underquilt.

I wanted to be covered on those rare nights when I have to go to ground.

Combining the pads with the underquilt allows me to carry a lighter underquilt.
Overall the weight is two ounces more than a warmer underquilt alone.

I will admit that the 1/8" Evazote and Klymit pad aren't going to be warm enough for cold weather on the ground. It's hard to keep the weight down and still be covered.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Underquilt or Pad? on 01/14/2014 07:10:28 MST Print View

An update,

I decided to cancel the sleeping pad idea.

The Klymet pad failed/popped the first time I tried it:-(
Probably a defect in manufacturing.

Other pads are too heavy and/or bulky.

I tried to supplemented my under quilt with just the 1/4 Evazote pad on one night.

This reminded my why I don't like foam pads in a hammock.

It's not that they don't work or are uncomfortable, but they don't breath and trap moisture. I always wake with a bit of dampness on my back.

I could remedy this in very cold weather by using a VBL, but it wasn't cold enough for that.

I've decided to just stick with the 30 degree f underquilt for the hammock and use my WB Traveler sock and/or extra clothing if the temps are going to be well below freezing.

I did actually test using my underquilt as a ground sleeping pad and although it didn't work great, it was far superior to sleeping on the 1/4" pad alone.

If I should have to go to ground, the combination of good site selection, my underquilt and some gathered duff under my ground cloth will have to do.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Underquilt or Pad? on 01/14/2014 11:19:09 MST Print View

Steven, try the undercover concept. You can't test it by rigging a painters drop cloth or any light plastic or cloth below your underquilt. Simply gather the ends and hang it from the hammock suspension. It will work just like a windshirt.

You can add a space blanket between the hammock and underquilt for more warmth as well.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Underquilt or Pad? on 01/14/2014 11:27:39 MST Print View

Dale,

Thanks, yes I already use an underquilt protector, but in the form of a WB Traveler Sock.

It does add significant comfort on cold nights and does extend my 30 degree UQ and TQ to below 20.

The only reason I was bringing the closed cell pad was for those rare cases where I have to go to ground. SO since I was bringing it anyway, I just wanted to see about it adding warmth when I'm hanging.

Edited by brooklynkayak on 01/14/2014 12:15:47 MST.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Underquilt or Pad? on 01/14/2014 11:29:33 MST Print View

"Steven, try the undercover concept."

This might be of some help: http://theultimatehang.com/2013/02/diy-jacks-r-better-weather-shield/

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Underquilt or Pad? on 01/14/2014 12:12:34 MST Print View

I highly agree with the concept of a sock, top and/or bottom cover.

But one big mistake that most people make is when the use a cover that is made of a material that is not highly breathable and in the case of a top cover or sock, it must have a vent near the top.

Condensation can be problem if not.

I know my sock is highly breathable and I do always sleep with the top vented and so I never have problems with condensation, but I wonder if the dryducks material is breathable enough?
I suspect it is, but can't help but think that ripstop would be a better material?

Edited by brooklynkayak on 01/14/2014 12:14:51 MST.

Phillip Asby
(PGAsby) - M

Locale: North Carolina
condensation on 03/03/2014 12:55:09 MST Print View

I assume the condensation is a problem due to using a quilt and laying on the pad directly?

Still not sure why I can sleep on a pad on the ground and never experience condensation but it always comes up in a hammock setting when pads are mentioned...

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
condensation on 03/03/2014 13:08:03 MST Print View

Good point.

I never experience the dampness when ground camping on a pad, but do, but only slightly, when I use a pad in a hammock with an under-quilt in cold weather.
Others have the same experience.

It has be related to the level of ventilation around the pad and/or the fact that the pad becomes cupped in a hammock.

Edited by brooklynkayak on 04/05/2014 14:38:24 MDT.

Reggie Garrett
(regarrett) - M

Locale: Lost in the mountains
Uq on 04/04/2014 19:29:17 MDT Print View

UQ full length for winter and 3/4 length for the other 3 seasons. My 40 degree 3/4 Hammock Gear UQ kept me toasty at 34 and I was ok at 28.