Brooks-Range Mojave Down Jacket
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Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Loft (again...) on 10/11/2012 19:11:02 MDT Print View

Cheers Jonathan,

Measuring loft is a real can of worms, I look forward to your long term review.

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Re: Re: Loft (again...) on 10/13/2012 17:36:57 MDT Print View

Ah, good to know. Didn't realize one was box wall vs sewn through. That's a huge difference (I usually prefer not to compare them since choosing one construction over the other is usually a choice dictated by contradictory demands).

As for Rab's sewn through box construction, I've noticed that too. The only think I can come up with that makes "sense" is that they are distinguishing sewn box wall construction from welded construction (like the old MB Permafrost). Why such a distinction is necessary is a bit beyond me since I assume sewn is standard and welding is a "feature" that is worth marketing specifically...but companies aren't always the most consistent or logical.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Mojave on 10/23/2012 10:44:39 MDT Print View

Anyone else get to see.one of these in the flesh yet?

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Mojave on 01/18/2013 11:19:53 MST Print View

A good review of it here.

http://www.trailspace.com/gear/brooks-range/mojave-jacket/

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: Mojave on 02/14/2013 07:19:33 MST Print View

I got one of these last week for my birthday.

Will be trying it out this weekend.

Andrew Manies
(amanies)

Locale: SF Bay Area
Re: Re: Mojave on 02/23/2013 10:24:59 MST Print View

Stephen,

How did you like the Mojave in the end?

Any particular strengths/weaknesses?

Cheers,
Andrew

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: Re: Mojave on 02/23/2013 13:12:17 MST Print View

Hi Andrew,

I have not used in anger yet as it did not arrive in time for my last trip.

It is very well constructed and as good as quality as any of the other high end kit I have.

To be honest I am slightly disappointed with the loft as its only half the thickness of my Gooses
Feet Parka which has the same amount of down in it (800vs900 fp though) but the Goooses Feet Parka is like a mutant :-)

I will post some pics in a bit.

Richard Nisley
(richard295) - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Mojave - Poor initial impression on 02/23/2013 14:01:24 MST Print View

I have one to clo test but won't get to it until I finish a couple of other very big projects (months off).

Based on my initial manual inspection, I will be VERY surprised if the clo value tests anywhere close to what 9oz of 800 fill should.

The loft is anemic compared to other 800 fill parkas with 9 oz. of fill but, low loft can be offset by increased down density. Unfortunately even the down density appears sub-par.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Mojave - Poor initial impression on 02/23/2013 14:13:57 MST Print View

I have the same I impressions Richard.


I have taken some photos comparing the loft with other parkas.

The blue Parka has 250g down, the black one has 310g.

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Edited by stephenm on 02/23/2013 14:14:57 MST.

Serge G.
(sgiachetti) - M

Locale: Boulder, CO
thought the same on 02/23/2013 14:14:46 MST Print View

I bought one & also thought it seemed distictly underfilled. Packs up smaller than my rab infinity even though its cut about a size bigger and suppodly has about 2.5 oz more down. Its a nice jacket, but I don't beli eve the spec. I also like my infinity a better (besides the reg down) so I returned the mojave. Also curiou to see how these different types of hydrophic down fair against eachother (downtek vs encapsil etc)

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: thought the same on 02/23/2013 14:17:49 MST Print View

I would definitely class it as 3 season Hoody, it does have zippered pockets and all that so that's what adds the weight.

If it was 80g lighter it would be a great item.

Edited by stephenm on 02/27/2013 09:49:50 MST.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: thought the same on 02/27/2013 09:52:48 MST Print View

I have sent an email to the company it was bought from voicing my concerns about the loft.

Will let you all know the outcome.

Andrew Manies
(amanies)

Locale: SF Bay Area
Re: Loft on 02/27/2013 10:03:43 MST Print View

Stephen and Richard,

Thanks for your insights. I too could not reconcile the apparent lack of loft with the reported 9 oz of down. Interestingly (or not), the jacket has received a mostly positive review at OutdoorGearLab.com, with a "warmth" rating higher than the Rab Infinity. Perhaps this is more a result of box baffles rather than increased down content, though.

Cheers,
A

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: Loft on 02/27/2013 10:15:15 MST Print View

Hi Andrew?

Its only box baffled in the body and not in arms and hood.

Not to knock outdoorgearlab but I find there reviews not as "scientific" as Richards or Bpls.

Richard Nisley
(richard295) - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Mojave Baffling on 02/27/2013 11:54:39 MST Print View

The construction is all sewn-through except for the front of the torso is box-baffled (1/2 the body area).

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Mojave Baffling on 02/27/2013 13:14:36 MST Print View

Thanks Richard.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Baffles on 02/27/2013 14:11:03 MST Print View

I just had a look and the back of the baffles mush be mesh lined as there is a "loose" fabric panel on both sides of the front.

This photo shows what I mean.1

Tjaard Breeuwer
(Tjaard) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota, USA
Pocket? on 02/28/2013 21:05:25 MST Print View

Stephen,
Is that perhaps the pocket?

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Pocket? on 03/30/2013 18:43:02 MDT Print View

Hi Tjarrd,

My apologies I missed your question, its definitely not a pocket.

I was waiting for the weather to warm up a bit to try it out, I was on an overnighter last night
and found it slightly chilly in the back and warms at about 25f due to the stitch through construction
In those areas, putting a wind shirt over it did help a bit. It is definitely a 3 season piece.

Cheers,

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Re: Re: Pocket? on 03/30/2013 20:53:27 MDT Print View

So a 9oz fill weight pseudo box-wall jacket is chilly at 25f?! My MB UL Parka with a wind shirt can get me to around freezing, and layering two of those would be the same weight as the Mojave but with only 5oz of down and at least as warm if nor warmer than 25f. Looking at the pictures it also looks even less lofty than my MHW Hooded Phantom with 6ish oz of 800fp down.

I mean many 20F quilts are made with only 11oz of down spread over a much larger surface area instead of just a torso, so what gives?

Has anyone figured out where the discrepancy comes in?