Cool. I'll keep my eyes open.

Will you sell the wind acreen seperately?

I've already got an Esbit titanium stove, so I don't want to repurchase it. I'm interested in getting some of these items separately, depending on the cost.

The nesting feature is a huge plus--what if there were a couple metal tabs (or an elastic string) that clipped the lid onto the cook pot, eliminating the need for a stuff sack? That might add simplicity and ease of use without sacrificing weight. And what about a small towel for wiping the residue off the pot bottom? You could add a tiny piece of UL towel cloth and still easily be below 3 oz.

my little pot gets filthy burning Esbit (and wood), the stuff sack would be nice to keep that way from your other gear

I'm assuming the little cuben stuff sack would be up to double duty for a rock bag during food hanging?

Waiting on trayed stoves to come in, for now, here is each item listed separately:

550 mL Titanium Cookpot with Lid

Titanium Foil Windscreen

Cuben Fiber Stuff Sack, Round Bottom

Best,

JW

Edited by jhaura on 09/17/2012 15:58:42 MDT.

Hey, I'm excited to see the parts listed separately. The windscreen is tempting. But what are its dimensions (can't be the 16" height listed...).

Thx.

Just a typo on the W x H, updated to L x H so 16" long, 2.84" tall.

Ah, I see, got it. Thanks for the quick reply.

Just noticed a typo on the pot description page. It says this 2 oz pot rather than this 2 cup pot.

I really like the look of this set up. How durable is the pot compared to say a walmart grease pot or the zelph beer can pots. I made my own beer can pot and found even with renforcement would get crushed easily. The walmart grease pot is sturdy enough to survive in my pack.

BG: if I still bought your kit for my friend, I would get it, then pitch the incomplete Esbit burner out and substitute a complete one, then give it. I think the complete ones cost about $15, so I don't know what the incomplete ones go for.

Jhaura stated: We will offer it both ways at no additional cost. I'll order some tray version ones asap and then update the site with that option, so you can choose which one is best for yourself.

The only concern I would have is where the Esbit sits. As you know, Esbit leaves some residue after burning, after repeated burnings I would be concerned that the pivot point where the Esbit sits would clog, being difficult or impossible to fold it up. How many Esbit tabs have you used on a single system, and was there any difficulty folding up the stove?

In the old, old, old days, these wing stoves were made out of steel. The pivot point pin would rust out and then the fuel tray would fall off and the whole thing fell apart. Obviously that had to do with steel, and titanium does not rust. Things could get clogged unless the tray is present.

It would be fun to see somebody come up with a multiple purpose for a wing stove. I guess it could be a back-scratcher or a cook pot scraper.

--B.G.--

Just looking at the design, it looks like it would also work upsidedown. If that were true, if the joints get crusty, you could potentialy flip it over on your next boil to burn off the gunk. Sounds like a simple test to me. My 2 cents - Jon


BTW, --B.G.-- it looks like it could also double as a Kindle, iPhone or small book stand.

Edited by jonfong57 on 09/18/2012 13:39:58 MDT.

"it looks like it could also double as a Kindle, iPhone or small book stand."

I've never taken any of those things on a backpacking trip. We are thinking, though.

OBTW, if you get a wing stove and manage to drop the pivot pin, you can use a piece of paper clip as a substitute. A metal screw would be better.

--B.G.--

Why not put the ground-protection inside the stove, instead of on the ground?

eg, invert the center pin, make it a little longer ... the "height" of the ground protector. Punch a hole in the center of the ground protector, set on pin (which should end up flush) and then place your esbit container there?

If you don't care about the extra weight, use the solid plate (or aluminum-foil) under your pot (some loss here, be warned, and Al > Ti for this.) Place dirty-side to dirty-side for storage/transport.


-mox

I tested the stove as an iPod touch holder, with mixed results. Capable of holding an iPod steady at 45 degrees or at 90 degrees, neither of which are my optimal viewing angles. Call it an "emergency iPod stand" for when my cast iron stand fails me in the back country and I don't want to have to give up my nightly viewing of "How I Met Your Mother".

The Esbit logo on the side of one of the legs serves as great reading material--next time I go backpacking, I'll leave my usual Dostoyevsky behind and read that instead. Since I always carry hardcovers, that's about a 72 oz savings right off the bat!

Haven't tried it as a potty trowel or tent stake, but it looks like it would serve. Worries would be about durability and screwing up your super-nice ultralight stove.

I'll leave it up to someone else to examine the stove's usability as a camp stool, eating utensil, toothpick, umbrella, sundial, and butter knife. Definitely has some potential as a true multi-use piece of equipment.

Seriously though, it would be super cool to see somebody come out with an Esbit stove as a function on a multi-tool. Heck, if I weren't worried about residue, I'd rig up my spork with a hardware cloth potstand and not bring a stove at all.

Im awaiting the update to see what the revised model willl look like. I agree that having a more stable, cleaner, heat reflective place is better.

Edit: people are claiming doubled burn times by having a sealed tray which contains everything. Read in the comments area.

http://www.briangreen.net/2011/09/i-really-want-to-like-esbit-tabs.html?m=1

Edited by bubonicplay on 09/24/2012 00:04:00 MDT.

FWIW, I hiked with Jhaura this weekend. He used the Lite Trail esbit stove (without the little tray to hold the esbit tabs) for all of his cooking needs.

I can't comment on measured differences in efficiency between his stove and other variations of esbit stoves, but it seemed to work fine without the tray in our generally mild conditions. He had boils in reasonable timeframes (not significantly differnt from my caldera sidewinder with gramcracker stove) and one tab was plenty to heat up enough water for a soup, a dinner and a hot tea/cocoa.

I didn't witness any big mess from the esbit resulting from not having a tray, or issues balancing partial tabs on the stove itself.

It was pretty neat to see how small, light and easy it all packed up.

Anyway, I have no vested interest in this product, just thought I'd share my anecdotal observations from this weekend. I think with him offering both versions of the stove, folks have the choice to try either now.

Curious is the pot included large enough to next a snow peak mini fuel canister?

QUICK UPDATE

The trayed version of the stove in being made right now, and has some neat design improvements over the typical trayed wing stove - including lower weight and custom fit for our 550 ml cookpot. It is still a traditional trayed wing stove though for those of you who prefer that. Just some minor tweaks for our kit.

Expected arrival date Nov 1.

If you have a stove already, or just want one part of the kit, you can order all the individual items separately on the shop homepage (Ultralight Backpacking Gear Store).

Oh and by the way, on my Sierras trip last weekend, I boiled enough water (21-22 oz.) with 1 tablet on the stove with NO TRAY to rehydrate 2 large meals in Ziplock Freezer bags and make 1 good size mug of hot chocolate. This consumed one whole 14g tablet.

The conditions were: Evening, light breeze, very cold freshly captured stream water, elevation 7600 feet.

From left to right: 5-6oz of hot choco, Black beans and rice 8oz water, Mashed Potatoes with dehy potato cubes 8 oz water:




No Tray Stove: About to boil the first 16oz, then refill with 5-6 oz and boil again all with 1 14g cube:

Edited by jhaura on 09/28/2012 14:36:39 MDT.