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Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/16/2012 23:02:12 MDT Print View

Cool. I'll keep my eyes open.

Luke Khuu
(ninhsavestheday)
Wind screen on 09/17/2012 05:38:50 MDT Print View

Will you sell the wind acreen seperately?

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
Is it possible to buy these items separately? on 09/17/2012 06:09:41 MDT Print View

I've already got an Esbit titanium stove, so I don't want to repurchase it. I'm interested in getting some of these items separately, depending on the cost.

The nesting feature is a huge plus--what if there were a couple metal tabs (or an elastic string) that clipped the lid onto the cook pot, eliminating the need for a stuff sack? That might add simplicity and ease of use without sacrificing weight. And what about a small towel for wiping the residue off the pot bottom? You could add a tiny piece of UL towel cloth and still easily be below 3 oz.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
stuff sack on 09/17/2012 06:36:08 MDT Print View

my little pot gets filthy burning Esbit (and wood), the stuff sack would be nice to keep that way from your other gear

I'm assuming the little cuben stuff sack would be up to double duty for a rock bag during food hanging?

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/17/2012 15:47:41 MDT Print View

Waiting on trayed stoves to come in, for now, here is each item listed separately:

550 mL Titanium Cookpot with Lid

Titanium Foil Windscreen

Cuben Fiber Stuff Sack, Round Bottom

Best,

JW

Edited by jhaura on 09/17/2012 15:58:42 MDT.

Charles P
(mediauras)

Locale: Terra
Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/17/2012 16:12:16 MDT Print View

Hey, I'm excited to see the parts listed separately. The windscreen is tempting. But what are its dimensions (can't be the 16" height listed...).

Thx.

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/17/2012 16:15:19 MDT Print View

Just a typo on the W x H, updated to L x H so 16" long, 2.84" tall.

Charles P
(mediauras)

Locale: Terra
Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/17/2012 16:17:29 MDT Print View

Ah, I see, got it. Thanks for the quick reply.

Greg F
(GregF) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Typo on 09/17/2012 19:13:10 MDT Print View

Just noticed a typo on the pot description page. It says this 2 oz pot rather than this 2 cup pot.

I really like the look of this set up. How durable is the pot compared to say a walmart grease pot or the zelph beer can pots. I made my own beer can pot and found even with renforcement would get crushed easily. The walmart grease pot is sturdy enough to survive in my pack.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/17/2012 23:48:55 MDT Print View

BG: if I still bought your kit for my friend, I would get it, then pitch the incomplete Esbit burner out and substitute a complete one, then give it. I think the complete ones cost about $15, so I don't know what the incomplete ones go for.


I would have to agree with Bob on this one.

There have been a few UL/SUL hikers that have written articles this year about testing different esbit stoves and most of them have discovered that there can be some significant differences in the efficiency of esbit cubes based upon the pan that the esbit tablet sits in. The account by Brian Green being one of the more interesting trials of different designs. All of the reports I have read so far seem to indicate that there is some significant efficiency in using trays with esbits. My own testing has confirmed this when I have tried using different stoves, and at times not using any stoves at all and just putting the tablets onto a piece of Ti on the ground.

The tried-and-true esbit wing stove still seems to be one of the top-dogs out there. Same one that bpl sold for awhile.


Anyway...

Jhaura stated: We will offer it both ways at no additional cost. I'll order some tray version ones asap and then update the site with that option, so you can choose which one is best for yourself.


Very good to hear!

As somebody who uses the 4gram esbits, it just seems like trying to get them to balance on the stove/stand without the try would be annoying after awhile.

Michael Moore
(lilricky) - F
Good looking system but.... on 09/18/2012 07:15:44 MDT Print View

The only concern I would have is where the Esbit sits. As you know, Esbit leaves some residue after burning, after repeated burnings I would be concerned that the pivot point where the Esbit sits would clog, being difficult or impossible to fold it up. How many Esbit tabs have you used on a single system, and was there any difficulty folding up the stove?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Good looking system but.... on 09/18/2012 12:54:07 MDT Print View

In the old, old, old days, these wing stoves were made out of steel. The pivot point pin would rust out and then the fuel tray would fall off and the whole thing fell apart. Obviously that had to do with steel, and titanium does not rust. Things could get clogged unless the tray is present.

It would be fun to see somebody come up with a multiple purpose for a wing stove. I guess it could be a back-scratcher or a cook pot scraper.

--B.G.--

Jon Fong
(jonfong57)

Locale: www.flatcatgear.com
Clogged Pivot points on 09/18/2012 13:38:00 MDT Print View

Just looking at the design, it looks like it would also work upsidedown. If that were true, if the joints get crusty, you could potentialy flip it over on your next boil to burn off the gunk. Sounds like a simple test to me. My 2 cents - Jon


BTW, --B.G.-- it looks like it could also double as a Kindle, iPhone or small book stand.

Edited by jonfong57 on 09/18/2012 13:39:58 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Clogged Pivot points on 09/18/2012 13:49:29 MDT Print View

"it looks like it could also double as a Kindle, iPhone or small book stand."

I've never taken any of those things on a backpacking trip. We are thinking, though.

OBTW, if you get a wing stove and manage to drop the pivot pin, you can use a piece of paper clip as a substitute. A metal screw would be better.

--B.G.--

Mike Oxford
(moxford) - MLife

Locale: Silicon Valley, CA
Why not... on 09/18/2012 13:50:47 MDT Print View

Why not put the ground-protection inside the stove, instead of on the ground?

eg, invert the center pin, make it a little longer ... the "height" of the ground protector. Punch a hole in the center of the ground protector, set on pin (which should end up flush) and then place your esbit container there?

If you don't care about the extra weight, use the solid plate (or aluminum-foil) under your pot (some loss here, be warned, and Al > Ti for this.) Place dirty-side to dirty-side for storage/transport.


-mox

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
Multiple uses on 09/18/2012 14:14:48 MDT Print View

I tested the stove as an iPod touch holder, with mixed results. Capable of holding an iPod steady at 45 degrees or at 90 degrees, neither of which are my optimal viewing angles. Call it an "emergency iPod stand" for when my cast iron stand fails me in the back country and I don't want to have to give up my nightly viewing of "How I Met Your Mother".

The Esbit logo on the side of one of the legs serves as great reading material--next time I go backpacking, I'll leave my usual Dostoyevsky behind and read that instead. Since I always carry hardcovers, that's about a 72 oz savings right off the bat!

Haven't tried it as a potty trowel or tent stake, but it looks like it would serve. Worries would be about durability and screwing up your super-nice ultralight stove.

I'll leave it up to someone else to examine the stove's usability as a camp stool, eating utensil, toothpick, umbrella, sundial, and butter knife. Definitely has some potential as a true multi-use piece of equipment.

Seriously though, it would be super cool to see somebody come out with an Esbit stove as a function on a multi-tool. Heck, if I weren't worried about residue, I'd rig up my spork with a hardware cloth potstand and not bring a stove at all.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Esbit on 09/23/2012 23:23:31 MDT Print View

Im awaiting the update to see what the revised model willl look like. I agree that having a more stable, cleaner, heat reflective place is better.

Edit: people are claiming doubled burn times by having a sealed tray which contains everything. Read in the comments area.

http://www.briangreen.net/2011/09/i-really-want-to-like-esbit-tabs.html?m=1

Edited by M.L on 09/24/2012 00:04:00 MDT.

Nico .
(NickB) - MLife

Locale: Los Padres National Forest
fuel tray on 09/24/2012 11:33:16 MDT Print View

FWIW, I hiked with Jhaura this weekend. He used the Lite Trail esbit stove (without the little tray to hold the esbit tabs) for all of his cooking needs.

I can't comment on measured differences in efficiency between his stove and other variations of esbit stoves, but it seemed to work fine without the tray in our generally mild conditions. He had boils in reasonable timeframes (not significantly differnt from my caldera sidewinder with gramcracker stove) and one tab was plenty to heat up enough water for a soup, a dinner and a hot tea/cocoa.

I didn't witness any big mess from the esbit resulting from not having a tray, or issues balancing partial tabs on the stove itself.

It was pretty neat to see how small, light and easy it all packed up.

Anyway, I have no vested interest in this product, just thought I'd share my anecdotal observations from this weekend. I think with him offering both versions of the stove, folks have the choice to try either now.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Canister on 09/26/2012 11:59:50 MDT Print View

Curious is the pot included large enough to next a snow peak mini fuel canister?

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/28/2012 13:48:21 MDT Print View

QUICK UPDATE

The trayed version of the stove in being made right now, and has some neat design improvements over the typical trayed wing stove - including lower weight and custom fit for our 550 ml cookpot. It is still a traditional trayed wing stove though for those of you who prefer that. Just some minor tweaks for our kit.

Expected arrival date Nov 1.

If you have a stove already, or just want one part of the kit, you can order all the individual items separately on the shop homepage (Ultralight Backpacking Gear Store).

Oh and by the way, on my Sierras trip last weekend, I boiled enough water (21-22 oz.) with 1 tablet on the stove with NO TRAY to rehydrate 2 large meals in Ziplock Freezer bags and make 1 good size mug of hot chocolate. This consumed one whole 14g tablet.

The conditions were: Evening, light breeze, very cold freshly captured stream water, elevation 7600 feet.

From left to right: 5-6oz of hot choco, Black beans and rice 8oz water, Mashed Potatoes with dehy potato cubes 8 oz water:

boil


No Tray Stove: About to boil the first 16oz, then refill with 5-6 oz and boil again all with 1 14g cube:

stove

Edited by jhaura on 09/28/2012 14:36:39 MDT.