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J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/14/2012 23:49:06 MDT Print View

The LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System is here! A full featured sub-3 oz cook kit to rule them all.

Features a 550 mL (18.5 oz) short and wide cookpot, titanium solid fuel stove, titanium windscreen and ground protector and cuben fiber stuff sack. Nests fully in cook pot for storage.

LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System

LiteTrail Titanium Windscreen


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Happy Trails!

JW

Edited by jhaura on 09/14/2012 23:53:29 MDT.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/15/2012 10:48:09 MDT Print View

Looking pretty sweet Jhaura!

Is the windscreen tacked at both ends or is there a connector system? If there is, would like to see a photo of how it connects together.

No handles on the pot + a high wind screen. Thus going to be very hard to pick up by hand if the pot is full. Thus need to factor in additional weight for a pot grabber, probably taking the true total weight of this setup closer to 4 ounces. (at least for those who are not willing to wait for things to cool down, or if you are using the first half of your 14g esbit cube and want to save the rest for the next meal)

No tray on the wing stand. Exactly how easy/hard it is to get a used half-piece of esbit to stay on top of the stand where the tray usually sits? Or, what about for those of us who use the 4gram esbits rather than the 14 gram esbits? Without the tray, can they fit on there and stay on there while in use?

Why the cord and the loop on the sack? It looks like the sack is tape bonded along the seam lines for the cord, so anybody who did want to hang it could just use the cord. (btw, very nice to see a stuff sack that is tape bonded!) (also btw, very nice to see somebody out there making stuff sacks for cooking systems with a true round bottom!)

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/15/2012 11:25:59 MDT Print View

Any field testing been done with this set up or are you just winging it? I don't get how it will work without a fuel tray.

sorry, had to pun.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/15/2012 11:37:22 MDT Print View

lol. good one ken.

See, this is what happens when you get a bunch of SoCal guys that move to Humboldt County ;)

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/15/2012 11:56:44 MDT Print View

Hi @JohnAbela! Thanks for the comments.

1. Windscreen uses a single paperclip (included). Because the windscreen is so short, only one is needed. We didn't tack it because there is some extra length in it to offer some gap adjustment.

2. Potholder: Because the windscreen is short, there is plenty of room to grab the upper half of the pot with a bandana or Lightload towel. So adding an addtl oz for potholder would maybe apply if you don't already carry one of the before mentioned items.

3. I've used this stove for the last 5 years and it works fine without the bowl. Just plop the tab up on the center of the stove and let it come to rest where it may. The ground protector will do its thing on the bottom. The 4 g ones are the same, just sit it in there. The Esbits burn just fine whether they are sitting horizontal or resting diagonally.

4. Cordloop is for hanging closer than you could when the string is pulled tight. The weight is miniscule and it can easily be cut off. It's 3/8" grosgrain, not webbing. Stuff sack is all sewn, but very small seams and super clean. Thank you for recognizing that round bottom stuff sacks rock!

Hi @kthompson. Haha, good pun indeed! I've been using it like this for 5 years and it works fine. See comment #3 above. The fuel tab burns, the water boils and it is within range of other solid fuel holders.

Thank you all for your comments and feedback. Keep it coming :-)

Here's a couple untouched up images that show a little more about the windscreen for John:

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Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/15/2012 12:11:28 MDT Print View

Awesome little cook kit you've put together Jhaura!

I have the old BPL ti wing stove and a BPL Trappers mug that I pair with a foil windscreen. Mine isn't as integrated as your LiteTrail kit, but it does the job.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/15/2012 12:45:49 MDT Print View

very nice is the ground protector attached to the stove or separate?

me likey :)

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/15/2012 13:56:26 MDT Print View

@Eugeneius thank you for the comment. Yes it's very integrated. I wanted to make a complete solution that a new ULer (who didn't have time to MYOG their own) could just grab and go.

@mtwarden the ground protector is a separate piece of ti foil. Because the stove folds up, the gp needs to be separate.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/15/2012 14:35:59 MDT Print View

I agree with Ken. The missing fuel tray is a big flaw.

I've tried to use one that had a missing fuel tray, and it is unacceptable. How do you stand an Esbit tab up vertically? Please answer that. If your answer is that you never use an Esbit tab vertically, that tells something.

If you produce another kit with the Esbit burner with a fuel tray on it, then it might be worthy of purchase. Not before.

--B.G.--

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/16/2012 13:14:17 MDT Print View

@--B.G.--,

Thank you for taking a look at our cook system.

I'm sure you would agree that fact trumps personal opinion? And the fact is that in the absence of the tray the water boils, just like it does with a tray. It doesn't matter if the fuel tab is neatly horizontal for the purpose of the stove to be accomplished -- which is to simply boil water (within general specs of grams of fuel and ounces of water).

The ground protector contains any liquid-goo that may arise during burn and provides a support for the bottom of the tab.

I don't stand the fuel tab up vertically, but simply "lean to" it resting on the center of the stand; been doing it like that for 5 years with no problem. That's fact too. I suppose a video of side by side comparison would be useful. I'm leaving Tuesday for the JMT for 5 days and will put something up when I get back.

We can offer the kit with a tray'ed option very easily and may do so if many users want that option. However, it is "worthy of purchase" just like it is. We know that not everyone will want what we offer.

I appreciate your input and value your comments, I'd like to hear what you like about it too.

Best,

Jhaura

BTW: What about the absence of the fuel tray did you find "unacceptable" with the one you tried?

Edited by jhaura on 09/16/2012 13:29:09 MDT.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/16/2012 14:02:40 MDT Print View

I don't see how the absence of a miniscule tab tray would noticeably impact stove use or esbit performance. I've propped my mug on small rocks and used esbit to do small coffee boils with no ill effects. Would you believe it or not the water boiled despite not using a tray! ;-)

Oh, the things we can get caught up on here sometimes.

I have some local friends that are figuring out how to reduce kit size and weight for short bikepack trips, this kit is exactly the kind of thing I would recommend to them without having to send them to different sources to find a pot, windscreen material, stove, etc. Whatever gets you out the door and onto the trail simply and with minimal effort and investment is a good thing.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/16/2012 14:19:39 MDT Print View

Esbit is messy enough. I like the tray to contain and burn off that little bit that liquifies. Plus the tray is such a tiny percentage of the kits overall weight, I'd rather have it. Can just plop a used tablet in the tray and not have to try and lean or balance it on anything, If it is easy to use I am more inclined to use it.

You could leave off the cord lock and the grossgrain tab IMO.

Daniel Russell
(Superfluous_Grizzly)

Locale: Creation
Great kit// Bob Gross Soap Box on 09/16/2012 18:58:35 MDT Print View

This kit looks nice. It is odd that there is no tray but it if works then why not save the weight? :D

Bob Gross... You are way too pessimistic. I've wanted to say this for quite some time. You come into peoples posts, have some kind of subjective opinion, and you talk down to people. Who are you? You're not even a member (yes I know you once were and stopped because of "spam" that I have never received). Why should we all think your opinion matters when you share this snotty, pompous, "I've done it all and you're wrong" attitude? I'm not trying to say that I'm perfect but at least I don't come smash every persons idea and tell them that it is basically not worth buying. I know you wrote UL articles back in the 80's but please do us all a favor and keep them to yourself... I'm sure they are quite depressing.

--D.R.--


EDIT: Please PM if you would like to discuss my above post. I would like to avoid hi-jacking the sellers thread if possible.

Edited by Superfluous_Grizzly on 09/16/2012 21:35:01 MDT.

jeffrey armbruster
(book) - M

Locale: Northern California
"NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 on 09/16/2012 20:27:56 MDT Print View

Hey Daniel: I've got no dog in this fight. I use a canister and wind screen.

I read B.G's post and frankly I think that you're overreacting. Moreover, I've often found good and solid info in B.G.'s posts.

Internet postings are inherently weird: they lack the usual cues that enrich face-to-face encounters that allow us to recognize humor, sarcasm, empathy, encouragement etc. Most of all, we can't instantly go back and clarify our meaning. In a bad mood I sometimes insult a co-worker, but try to make it good instantly in a real world encounter once I see I've gone wrong. On the internet our words stand without cues and sometimes come off badly.

Edited by book on 09/16/2012 20:46:19 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
can you on 09/16/2012 20:45:24 MDT Print View

I'd like to see this in alcohol, I imagine you could do it right?

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: can you on 09/16/2012 20:56:10 MDT Print View

You could throw a little "Cat Can" stove in there and have the option of esbit or alcohol. The Traildesigns stove is also a good little alcohol burner.

Charles P
(mediauras) - F

Locale: Terra
cheers on 09/16/2012 21:53:01 MDT Print View

Cheers to the cottage industry -- cool cook kit and product.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/16/2012 22:09:04 MDT Print View

"BTW: What about the absence of the fuel tray did you find "unacceptable" with the one you tried?"

One Esbit burner had lost its fuel tray, and I tried to use it. Trying to set up a partial Esbit cube for burning was impossible, because a partial cube tends to be rather rounded. Trying to set an new Esbit cube into vertical position is also impossible. Sometimes, if you have something serious to heat, you can use two cubes vertically. However, I can't see how that would work at all without the fuel tray.

So, eventually I discarded the broken Esbit burner and got a new one just like it with its fuel tray intact, and that is what I continue to use.

I think we are in agreement that it is possible to use one without a fuel tray. My point is that a complete one is better than an incomplete one.

I have a close friend that travels some very long European trails, so I had initially thought of purchasing your product for the friend. Then, after I stared at the photo long enough and I read Ken's remarks, I realized what was there. If I still bought your kit for my friend, I would get it, then pitch the incomplete Esbit burner out and substitute a complete one, then give it. I think the complete ones cost about $15, so I don't know what the incomplete ones go for.

--B.G.--

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/16/2012 22:14:02 MDT Print View

"I like the tray to contain and burn off that little bit that liquifies. Plus the tray is such a tiny percentage of the kits overall weight, I'd rather have it."

I agree. In fact, I lay a tiny piece of aluminum foil inside the fuel tray as a liner. Some brands of Esbit cubes melt faster and leave behind a black sticky mess, and the aluminum foil just keeps it cleaner. Some brands of Esbit burn cleaner. Some people have not experienced all of the Esbit brands. Try the pink ones some time.

--B.G.--

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: NEW: LiteTrail Titanium Solid Fuel Cook System - sub-3 oz on 09/16/2012 22:55:58 MDT Print View

Great, thank you all for the feedback and comments.

We will offer it both ways at no additional cost. I'll order some tray version ones asap and then update the site with that option, so you can choose which one is best for yourself.

Best,

Jhaura