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Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 19:49:06 MDT Print View

I carry the following items to address my fears:

Bear Spray-12 ounces
PLB-4 ounces (formerly 12 ounces)
First Aid Kit-4 ounces
Misc-4 ounces (tick tweezers, pole sleeve repair, tooth repair,extra spoon, extra tp, etc.)

So the current weight for my fears is about 1.5 lbs.

How much do your fears weigh?

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 19:52:14 MDT Print View

Depends. Does that include the fear of missing a meal or two, the fear of eating and drinking cold food, the fear of being less than 100% toasty warm, the fear of getting wet, the fear of not having dry socks to change into?

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 20:16:22 MDT Print View

Folding Saw - 6.7 oz
I can build a shelter that could withstand any amount of snowfall.

First Aid kit - 3 oz

Going to add a spot or similar product eventually.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 20:20:12 MDT Print View

A tin of Altoids - 2 oz. Afraid of meeting the woman of my dreams on the trail, and she ignores me because my breath smells bad....

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 20:22:16 MDT Print View

"Afraid of meeting the woman of my dreams on the trail, and she ignores me because my breath smells bad...."

Douglas, we've been meaning to have this discussion.

--B.G.--

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 20:51:19 MDT Print View

On a day hike:

cell phone, PLB if over 30 miles-ish, trash compactor bag. So about 10 ounces.

If with my family - dayhiking or overnighting - it is more like 5-10 pounds, 20 pounds in winter. Some of those are to address my fears, more of it is to ensure marital harmony and be sure the kids have fun.

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 20:57:09 MDT Print View

I need music and all types of music and fear not being able to listen to it.

IPOD 1.2oz

HEADSET 0.9

MINI SPEAKERS 1.3

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 21:43:38 MDT Print View

Liquid courage.

8oz. will do, or a bottle.

James Reilly
(zippymorocco)

Locale: Montana
Yep bear spray on 09/10/2012 22:03:52 MDT Print View

I carry bear spray most ever trip I go on and curse it every time. I take a cell and extra battery too which also work as entertainment and gps.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/10/2012 22:09:29 MDT Print View

Fear saved me weight about 8 years ago. I liked my first iPod for tunes but I saw 5 brown bears on the trail that summer. I decided that I can't use it up here because I tuned out too much and wasn't doing all the things I know to do to avoid an sighting/encounter. It the 1st or 2nd Gen with hard disk so maybe 4-5 ounces.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
The Weight of Fear on 09/11/2012 00:48:04 MDT Print View

Everything we do is a calculated risk, even taking public transport going to work.
Backpacking we have added risks and it is easy enough to go overboard (for example Douglas is kidding himself if he thinks a 2 oz tin of Altoids will do the job) however we all need to be comfortable with our decisions.
Lynn introduced some good extras that are part of the same thing.
For me it is having a clean dry pair of socks so I always hike with two but often three extra pairs, two blades (a small Opinel and a Derma blade ) two Bics and or a Fire Steel , in winter a spare pair of gloves (on top of a pair of wp mittens and wool gloves) a spare warm beanie and enough food for an extra day if on a 3 day plus hike, otherwise a spare lunch and munchies.
Franco

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/11/2012 01:18:41 MDT Print View

"For me it is having a clean dry pair of socks"

They say that the difference between a woman and a man is this. The woman will carry a clean pair of socks. The man will carry a dry pair of socks. Different priorities.

--B.G.--

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/11/2012 09:10:49 MDT Print View

This is fun and informative (for me).

I'm always impressed by how many different ways one can look at the same topic.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Zero weight on 09/11/2012 09:16:42 MDT Print View

All my fears are left behind when i hit the hills.
Bills needing paid, health worries, is my job safe, etc, etc.
For a short period of time, i'm fearless.

Erik Basil
(EBasil) - M

Locale: Atzlan
Re: Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/11/2012 09:45:48 MDT Print View

Mine still needs to be weighed, but it's redundancy in my fire-starting kit, a second knife, water-treatment pills, a emergency medical treatment card set, phone and spare battery.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/11/2012 10:51:10 MDT Print View

Great premise for a thread. It's okay to have some fear and it does have a cost. I'm a strong believer Murphy's Law and carrying the classic essentials.

My CYA kit is more like a couple pounds for solo day hiking:

Pocket survival keyring:
Mini firesteel
SAK Classic knife
Whistle
Spy capsule with tinder
Fenix E01 AAA LED flashlight

Emergency water bag (in the crown of my Tilley hat)
3.5" folding pocket knife
K&M match case with UCO matches and button compass
Suunto MC2G compass with mirror
Map(s)
GoLite poncho
Insulation layer
Liner gloves
Fleece beanie
AMK "space blanket" bivy sack
Sunglasses
Bandanna

Small UL stuff sack:
AMK .3 first aid kit with extra meds, larger compresses
Fenix HL21 LED headlamp
4 Micropur tablets
Spare batteries (1x AA & AAA)
Small vial DEET
Small bottle sunscreen
Duct tape
20' light braided nylon line
"Hotel freebie" sewing kit
Small roll 26ga wire
5 pieces hard candy

Latrine kit in ziplock bag:
TP
Wet wipes
Small bottle alcohol gel hand cleaner
Ti trowel

This might seem like a lot by UL standards. I have based my kit on personal experience and what I have read of lost and injured hikers. I have tried to collect items that are light and provide materials for improvising shelter, fire making, first aid, repairs, navigation and signaling. There is just enough in my pockets to cover the basics. My survival scenarios are based on losing my pack, falls/injuries, getting lost, having to spend an unplanned night out and changes in the weather.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
The Weight of Fear on 09/11/2012 15:11:37 MDT Print View

Bob
Do you know why I like to keep a clean and dry pair of socks ?

Because I am worth it.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Zero weight on 09/11/2012 15:34:21 MDT Print View

Right on Mike!

jason quick
(jase)

Locale: A tent in my backyard - Melbourne
not so XUL fear kit on 09/11/2012 16:13:22 MDT Print View

My CYA weight includes:

GME PLB (injury)
Garmin eTrex Vista (used only on new tracks...revisited tracks I tend to leave it at home)
spare water tabs (in case of Steripen failure)
fire starter...on top of windproof matches...on top of 2 bic lighters
socks....dedicated dry sleep pair, a spare pair, and a pair to wear
My Degen 1127 radio.....headphones annoy me when camping...I like an external speaker so I don't completely tune out to my environment

...I'm sure there are more....

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Re: The Weight of Fear on 09/11/2012 17:26:25 MDT Print View

My fear kit includes a PLB, 2 extra means of starting a fire plus tinder, a first aid and repair kit, a small knife, a bivy bag, a raincoat, hat, down jacket, spare socks, toilet paper and hand sanitiser, compass, whistle, and a flashlight. All of the above (except spare socks) I carry even on day hikes. On day hikes, if I'm not expecting rain, I still carry a cuben poncho tarp which can double as shelter and raingear. I also carry a sitpad on day hikes, plus the pad that goes in my Gorilla pack, so I am covered for ground insulation if I have an unexpected night out. Excessive by SUL standards, for sure, but I've never aimed to be SUL, just like to carry a comfortable load that will cover me in most of the common situations I might encounter. I haven't weighed what all of this contigency gear 'costs'. The bivy bag is 3oz, the poncho tarp is 4oz, the sitpad is 2oz, down jacket is 4oz, so all up probably a little over a pound of stuff that I don't usually need. Oh, the PLB is 4oz, so closer to 20oz total.