"I was trying to be diplomatic and not step on toes here. For me it is just not worth it getting riled up and starting a flame war.... I'm just tired of arguing with the Jews about Israel. If people aren't going to reasonable in an argument, what's the point of arguing? I also don't want to make people feel terrible just to prove a point. But most of all, it's pointless arguing with people who don't know very much about the subject they are talking about, or who refuse to make the effort to learn the truth, especially if that truth interferes with their unshakeable views on the topic.
I'd prefer to say that the Jews in Israel today do deserve a place to live, than argue about who came from where and who had the right to be somewhere in the past. Sending those people back to wherever they came from is not the answer anymore, and even if that were tried, think of the atrocities that would occur in trying to implement it, as is being done to the Palestinians today."
+1 to your entire post, Miguel. I shouild have known. Let us hope that calmer heads prevail and give what you are talking about a chance. The alternatives are grim, and events are on the verge of spinning out of control, IMO. I vent in the Forum occasionally, mostly in an attempt to relieve my distress and, hopefully, plant an occasional seed in someone's mind. It is slow going and mostly in vain, I suspect.
What you say about people over there at the grass roots level is oh so true. I have seen it up close, and it is the basis for my feeling that the only lasting solution is for a non denominational state open to all. Were it achieved, it could truly be a beacon for the rest of the world. Probably sounds corny, or naive, but I believe it is possible, desirable, and most of all necessary. Ilan Pappe, a noted Israeli historian also believes this is the solution, so I don't feel I am totally out in left field. Gotta hang onto something, I guess.