And this is where the discussion inevitably leads to, in this country. Have a problem with Israeli politics and now you are spreading anti Jewish propaganda.
I'm completely with Kat on this. Going by your reasoning, Michael, every conversation about whom Israel and the US attacks can be construed as "anti-Arab" or "anti-Muslim". The level of support the US gives to Israel is way beyond reasonable, if you are trying to think in terms of finding a solution to the conflict there.
In the discussion between Dean and Tom, one thing that, as a non-American, deeply troubles and infuriates me is the unquestioned assumption that America's concerns and desires preclude those of everyone else in the world. In the discussion about attacking Afghanistan to get bin Ladin, the statement, "It had to be done." is about as hubristic as I can think of, with a cavalier dismissal of Afghanistan as a valid and sovereign entity, that exhibits an aristocratic attitude worthy of any of the world's empires, and goes against the very thing that Americans were fighting against when they broke away from Britain. Even the term, "terrorist" is a total dismissal of another people's authenticity and legitimacy (and the very reason why those who become "terrorists" become what they do). People very rarely fully address the whole issue of what a "terrorist" really is; the term is just vaguely applied so that no more responsibility is needed in thinking about another person. "It had to be done"? That statement alone says everything about how Americans see everyone else in the world. And why I won't go further in this discussion in this thread. My views will just be dismissed and I will have to defend myself against people telling me I'm "anti-American" or "hate America", simply because I'm trying to take a non-partisan route and refuse to submit to favoritism. I can't be part of such discussions.
Still, I'm impressed by the level of restraint and respect exhibited in the latter part of this thread (I couldn't care less about the Obama/ Romney debate). Not an easy topic to talk about without blowing your cool.