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Dennis Park
(dpark) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
ergo or straight handled trekking poles on 08/07/2012 23:20:38 MDT Print View

Is one better than the other for pitching shelters? I can envision the ergo handles fatigue fracturing at the bend or tending to slip on the ground or is this all just hypothetical?

Mark Dijkstra
(Markacd) - F
Poles on 08/08/2012 03:08:24 MDT Print View

I'm not sure what you mean by ergo handles (something like the pacerpoles perhaps?), but if it's strong enough to support a persons weight it shouldn't have too much trouble with a tent.

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
ergo or straight handled trekking poles on 08/08/2012 04:09:23 MDT Print View

Most people seem to do fine with using Pacer poles as shelter supports. In fact they are stronger then the light weight CF poles many UL's use and so are less likely to flex in high winds.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
hold it in your hand on 08/08/2012 13:33:29 MDT Print View

Dennis, go to a store that carries these and hold say, a Black Diamond trail ergo cork in your hands.

Your question will instantly vanish, the ergo part of the pole is the thickest tube part, the weakest part of these will always be the bottom, assuming it's a collapsible pole, sections that is.

Ergo handles means the shaft and handle are bent a bit to fit the straight wrist position of your grip, which forms a line slanting slightly in towards your body.

The ergos are really nice, excellent comfort, I just did my first real 8,9 hour a day backpacking trip with mine and was surprised to find that I experience exactly no moments of discomfort using them, and I think the ergo bends help that, since it's such a natural position for your wrists. I kept expecting to get tired or feel the 'weight', but it didn't happen, mostly because there is no weight through most of the stride (actually it's negative as far as I can tell, when you use them right, but that's for another thread).

Once you trip and catch yourself on a good set of trekking poles, solid construction, these kinds of worries are something you will simply not have. I don't know the exact weight physics, but if it catches a significant percentage of your weight, and if your weight is accelerating, that's hundreds of pounds of force on the pole. Compared to a tent, with what, 10, 20 pounds? And in wind, a bit more? Guessing on the tent, but it's not much.

Edited by hhope on 08/08/2012 13:43:12 MDT.

peter vacco
(fluff@inreach.com) - M

Locale: no. california
Pacer Pole handle bending .. NOT on 08/08/2012 15:50:35 MDT Print View

no worries. the Ergo Grip Pacer Pole grip is not going to structurally fail. they are extremely tough.
the upper shaft is not bent, it extends straight into the grip for a considerable engagement depth.
you can hang as much as 45#'s (food) off of a bipod made of 2 pacer poles with bit of aluminium connecting the holes in the upper handles, and pulling against a length of twine extending into the distance.
one might check out Aarn's backpacks in NZ, he links to a site showing tents specifically designed to use PP's as supports.
Alain and Heather of PP will gladly supply you with the desired bit of alloy to rig the poles together.pacer pole BiPod

Leigh Baker
(leighb) - F

Locale: Northeast Texas Pineywoods
re: PP supporting shelter on 08/08/2012 16:38:45 MDT Print View

Dennis, I have a Solomid and was considering the PP, but wasn't sure about using them with the Mid, I did a lot of research (with the help of folks here) and the PP's are my pole of choice for hiking and they work great with the Mid. They aren't UL, but then I consider them a tool that enables me to hike longer....you may be young and not concerned about that; I'm not old, "just no longer young" :)

Dondo .
(Dondo) - F

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: ergo or straight handled trekking poles on 08/08/2012 18:14:27 MDT Print View

For what it's worth, Dennis, I've been using Pacerpoles for years to pitch my shelters without any problem. They are pretty tough. I pitch with handles down and haven't had any issues with slipping.

Roger B
(rogerb) - MLife

Locale: Here and there
Re: ergo or straight handled trekking poles on 08/09/2012 08:23:01 MDT Print View

Hi Dennis, you will see a brief summary of my use of Pacer Poles as shelter supports for my TT Notch on my blog (address in my profile). I have also used them with the SL3, 2 and 1, and BD Mids. In summary no problems and in some instances I have used the poles handle up, their shape is not ideal but it will work and once set there will be no slippage.