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Colin Krusor
(ckrusor) - M

Locale: Northwest US
Double quilt with draft flaps on 08/07/2012 21:43:36 MDT Print View

My girlfriend and I have a double-wide down quilt that we use during the shoulder seasons, but we've been in need of a quilt for summer. This warm-weather quilt is made with a single layer of 2.5oz climashield apex. My girlfriend and I are both side-sleepers and we both toss and turn, so we find that our winter quilt often bridges between us and leaves open a space for cold air to enter at the top.

This quilt attempts to solve that problem with draft flaps and a bit of extra width and length. It is 80" long and 60" wide. The (black) inner shell is 5 momme silk, the outer shell is kelly green 8D, and the shell fabric on the sides is Thruhiker's Shield silnylon (to shed any condensation that gets onto the edges from contact with the shelter). There are plastic snaps to attach the quilt to the bottom edge of our double-wide sleeping pad, and three more snaps that secure the draft flap on top of the quilt (to permit cuddling up). The quilt weighs 16.2oz.

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Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Double quilt with draft flaps on 08/07/2012 23:03:36 MDT Print View

Colin---That thing looks AMAZING!!

Seriously.

To what temp does SHE find it comfortable? ~35/40F? What is the width?




That snapable draft blocker is really cool and I can see how it is adaptable from comfy/snuggly nights to chillier nights when you wanna batten down the hatches. You MUST give some reviews of this style of quilt. (or if its not original got any links?) Pleeease!?!?!?

Daryl and Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Double quilt with draft flaps on 08/08/2012 12:21:15 MDT Print View

This is one of those products that would sell itself as soon as people looked at it. Very, very cool!

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor) - M

Locale: Northwest US
Quilt on 08/08/2012 17:47:10 MDT Print View

Thanks for the compliments. We haven't used it yet (we have plans for next weekend), so I don't know exactly how warm it will be. I would guess, based on accounts from others about 2.5oz apex, that I will probably be warm enough under this quilt down to the low 40s, but my girlfriend will probably be comfortable to a minimum of 50. So, for us, I expect it to be strictly a warm-weather quilt.

Barry, I haven't seen a design like this before. I considered other solutions to the draft problem (two integral "hoods", for example), but this design (which reminds me of the butt-flap on old-fashioned pajamas) is the most versatile. We can pull down the draft flap and don hats or balaclavas on unexpectedly cold nights, or flip up the flap and wear nothing on our heads on warm nights. I'll post an update once we have tried it in the field.

Daryl and Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Double quilt with draft flaps on 08/08/2012 19:57:45 MDT Print View

Colin,

When you start the inevitable mass production and selling of this product(like most of us who post here) I suggest you offer it with an image of a famous person's body.

I'd pay extra for the quilt to have Arnold Schwartswhatever's body under my face and head, for example.

Daryl

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor) - M

Locale: Northwest US
Improvements on 08/08/2012 22:29:18 MDT Print View

I'll keep that in mind, Daryl. It wouldn't be too difficult to add a few extra lumps of insulation to make the muscles more convincing. Keep these ideas coming.

Susannah L
(MiriRose)

Locale: New England
Re: Quilt on 10/08/2012 14:19:18 MDT Print View

So, how'd it work out? In particular, how did the head cut-out draft flap work out?

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor) - M

Locale: Northwest US
Flaps on 10/08/2012 18:20:46 MDT Print View

Susannah, the flaps worked really well. I was concerned that they would either get pushed out of the way due to nocturnal tossing and turning (and wouldn't block drafts) or else they would constantly be against my face and I would find them annoying. We haven't had either of those problems, though.

We have a down double quilt for winter, but it is a VB quilt (o.34 oz cuben shell inside and out), it doesn't have draft flaps, and it has a simple rectangular shape. I'm planning on making another one this winter from TiGoat 8x10D nylon with Karo step baffles, a double-wide footbox, a tapered shape, and draft flaps just like this one.

Derek Musashe
(dmusashe) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
How bulky is it when packed? on 08/30/2013 13:25:33 MDT Print View

Colin,
I'm curious to know how bulky your two-person synthetic quilt is when packed?

robert van putten
(Bawana) - F

Locale: Planet Bob
sleeping pad? on 08/30/2013 13:36:53 MDT Print View

Colin,
You mention a double wide sleeping pad?
What do you use?

My wife and I use two thermarest prolite pads tied together with string...

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor) - M

Locale: Northwest US
Quilt on 08/30/2013 16:32:33 MDT Print View

Derek,

I'll take a photo of the packed quilt over the weekend.

Robert, we use two Synmat UL7s that I sewed together along a side seam. The side seam is about 1/2" wide on the UL7s, so I just overlapped these and sewed through them with a straight stitch. It works great, is plenty strong, and doesn't affect the airtightness of the pads. Also, because they roll up together into one stuffsack, this is a tiny bit lighter than two separate pads, and because of the relationship between a cylinder's diameter and its volume, the stuffsack for the double pad is hardly bigger than one of the stuffsacks for one pad. And one cylinder packs more efficiently than two, so it is almost like eliminating a pad from a pack volume standpoint.

I guess I sound like I'm trying to sell you something. I'm just pleased with how it turned out.

Edited by ckrusor on 08/30/2013 16:33:31 MDT.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Quilt on 08/30/2013 17:30:29 MDT Print View

Very nice setup Colin :-)

robert van putten
(Bawana) - F

Locale: Planet Bob
Sounds good. on 08/30/2013 17:33:25 MDT Print View

It sounds like a great double pad solution.
My wife carries our quilt and sleeping pads, and she has taken to just rolling the pads up together and stuffing the roll down into her pack, sans stuff sacks.

It is a bulky but light load for her. She typically uses a Jam 70 to carry it all.

I was just wondering if there even was such a thing as a double pad out there somewhere. My wife and I could probably sleep very well together on a 35 inch wide pad.

Derek Musashe
(dmusashe) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Sounds good. on 08/30/2013 17:56:31 MDT Print View

Robert,
I've recently wondered why there is no double wide pad on the market, given that there are such lightweight construction techniques for pads these days. Bulk would no longer be that much of an issue with the new generation of inflatables

I mean just imagine a 35 or 40 inch wide neoair xlite. Something like that would be so great for couples. Also, one continuous pad would feel a lot bigger than two joined pads since there would be no "edge collapse" effect in the middle and you'd actually have all that useable area.

I actually can't believe that Thermarest, Big Agnes, or Exped hasn't come out with something like this because it would be something that they could probably severely overcharge for for the first year after its release while the backlog of couples looking for a good sleeping pad solution finally found it and all the other manufacturers scrambled to make their own version.

Maybe I'm overestimating the demand for something like this because I want one so bad, but I do know that there are a lot of couples out there who backpack together and could presumably use a solution like this...

I'm sure it won't come out until years from now, and by that time I'll have already put so much effort into my own solution (custom-sewn ultralight sleeves, etc) that I won't end up buying it anyway!

Such is life ;)

Edited by dmusashe on 08/30/2013 17:58:59 MDT.

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor) - M

Locale: Northwest US
Double pad on 08/30/2013 19:45:11 MDT Print View

I agree that an ultralight double-wide pad is long overdue. In my opinion, though, the best design would segregate the two chambers (with separate valves for each half). Otherwise, the side occupied by the heavier partner would be flattened while the other side heaved up, and every movement of either partner would bounce the other. The easiest way to segregate the two sides would be to seal through along the middle, but this creates a chasm in the middle and negates one of the major theoretical benefits of a double pad. I don't know how to solve that problem.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Double pad on 08/30/2013 19:47:48 MDT Print View

"The easiest way to segregate the two sides would be to seal through along the middle, but this creates a chasm in the middle and negates one of the major theoretical benefits of a double pad."

Why not just have one of the middle baffle chambers a complete tube? Baffles would have to be vertical for this.

William Chilton
(WilliamC3) - MLife

Locale: Antakya
Joining pads. on 08/31/2013 05:25:28 MDT Print View

I was browsing ZPacks website this morning when I came across the pad joiners on this page
I don't know how long they've been around, but I haven't seen them mentioned before.