CCF Pads; Coming Soon
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Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 07/31/2012 17:14:55 MDT Print View

Hey Everyone,

The foam sleeping pads are coming soon.. If you missed the discussion there was a forum on here I started several months ago looking for feedback. The foam is the same as before with a density of 2 Lbs per cubic ft, 18%EVA, 10.9lbs of Tear, and 550% Elongation at Break, R6 per inch.. Basically on paper its better then Evazote and Supazote.. I have been using a sample pad for a while now and it works great and is super durable for its thickness. I plan to sell the pads in several thicknesses, but since I received a ton of requests for the 1/8"x24"x74" size, I am going to start off with this size and then go from there... The weight for this pad is 4.0oz but it can vary from pad to pad due to manufacturing tolerances. Even though its very thin, it still has an insulation value of R.75. The cost will be $15.00 including free shipping.. Who is interested?


Thanks,
Lawson

Edited by Mountainfitter on 08/09/2012 11:17:43 MDT.

david delabaere
(davidvcd) - M

Locale: Northern VA
Definitely on 07/31/2012 17:55:09 MDT Print View

I'm interested. I ll get 2 if thats not too greedy.

Edited by davidvcd on 07/31/2012 21:03:46 MDT.

Nate Powell
(powell1nj) - F

Locale: North Carolina
re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 07/31/2012 18:00:20 MDT Print View

Lawson,

I'm assuming these pads will be at least $10 and qualify for your insanely awesome free shipping situation?

Sign me up.

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F - M

Locale: NW Montana
Re: re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 07/31/2012 18:29:05 MDT Print View

I probably need one. My evazote pad tore something awful recently. Any ideas on pricing?

Seth Brewer
(Whistler) - MLife

Locale: www.peaksandvalleys.weebly.com
Sounds like I need one on 07/31/2012 18:57:02 MDT Print View

I am all over this band-wagon. Sign me up

Dustin Smith
(dsmith87)

Locale: Bethesda, MD
Me too on 07/31/2012 19:00:29 MDT Print View

I'll take one too

Edited by dsmith87 on 07/31/2012 21:54:36 MDT.

Bruce LaBelle
(blabelle) - F - MLife

Locale: Davis, CA or on an adventure
CCF Pad on 07/31/2012 19:12:36 MDT Print View

I'll take one, too.

James Klein
(jnklein21) - M

Locale: Southeast
CCF coming soon on 07/31/2012 19:54:16 MDT Print View

I'm in for 1

Philip Delvoie
(PhilipD) - MLife

Locale: Ontario, Canada
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 07/31/2012 19:55:25 MDT Print View

Put me down for 1.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Cost $15.00 with Free Shipping, R.75 on 07/31/2012 19:57:17 MDT Print View

Looks like I forgot the cost and r value. As long as the converter doesn't change anything the pad will be $15.00 With Free Shipping. Insulation value is R.75

Thanks, Lawson

Edited by Mountainfitter on 07/31/2012 20:13:59 MDT.

Steve P
(swillhiker) - M
In on 07/31/2012 20:08:40 MDT Print View

I'm in as well.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 07/31/2012 20:44:53 MDT Print View

Sure, I am always up for a 1/8th pad.

Chad Ware
(Ware4)

Locale: Northwest Georgia
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 07/31/2012 20:45:11 MDT Print View

Yep, I'll give it a try.

Jean-Francois Jobin
(jfjobin) - MLife
.125 inch pad on 07/31/2012 20:47:57 MDT Print View

+1 for me

Adam Kramer
(rbeard) - F

Locale: ATL, Southern Appalachia
in on 07/31/2012 20:52:02 MDT Print View

for one

Yes 1000
(mamamia)
Usage on 07/31/2012 20:53:55 MDT Print View

where do you folks plan to use this pad? as a summer pad?

I'm confused here. When I started accumulating gear last May, I was told to get good R value airpad, I went and bought myself a Therma-rest All seasons large, while its super comfy and nice to sleep on, I find its a hassle to blow inflate and deflate it.

Now I got Therma-rest zlite sol and used it once, I get pretty decent sleep on it but not sure if it works in fall as the temperature drops.

Now with a CCF pad with R .75, where exactly do you plan to use it.

Christopher Gutwein
(syntax) - MLife
Perfect Size on 07/31/2012 20:54:50 MDT Print View

I'd take one.

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: NorCal
Me too on 07/31/2012 21:01:06 MDT Print View

Put me down for one. I've been really close to getting another full length 1/8" pad. I will wait to try yours.

Hoot Filsinger
(filsinger) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
1/8 CCF Pad on 07/31/2012 21:14:38 MDT Print View

I would like one.

Bill (Hoot)

Chad Billsby
(Billz107) - MLife

Locale: Up North
.125 pad on 07/31/2012 21:30:54 MDT Print View

I'd probably take two.

Dave Triano
(Dtriano) - MLife

Locale: Desolation Wilderness
Pads on 07/31/2012 21:47:09 MDT Print View

I will take two

DT

Christopher Yi
(TRAUMAhead)

Locale: Cen Cal
Re: Usage on 07/31/2012 22:00:22 MDT Print View

"Now with a CCF pad with R .75, where exactly do you plan to use it."

Supplement it with your pad for a little extra warmth, protect your air pad, or if your hardcore enough use it as your only pad during summer seasons.

I'm going to wait for a thicker one to try out. (:

Edited by TRAUMAhead on 07/31/2012 22:01:13 MDT.

Sumi Wada
(DetroitTigerFan) - F

Locale: Ann Arbor
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 07/31/2012 22:04:11 MDT Print View

Two for me.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 07/31/2012 22:37:45 MDT Print View

I'm maxed out on 1/8" foam (and foam in general) for awhile so I probably won't be buying any soon.

Rod Lawlor
(Rod_Lawlor) - MLife

Locale: Australia
Shipping to Australia on 07/31/2012 22:40:14 MDT Print View

Hi Lawson,

Any idea on price to ship to Australia? I had a couple of mates ask me about mine last weekend when we were snow camping.

I'd be interested in the price to ship 1,2 or 3.

Thanks,

Rod

Eric Nelson
(Moppy) - F

Locale: Mountain West
CCF Pads on 07/31/2012 23:07:39 MDT Print View

I would buy one,maybe two.

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
1/8x24x74 on 07/31/2012 23:24:28 MDT Print View

I'll buy 1...

Don Amundson
(amrowinc) - M

Locale: Southern California
CCF Pad on 07/31/2012 23:26:07 MDT Print View

I'll be needing one by the end of summer.

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
New pad on 07/31/2012 23:26:35 MDT Print View

You know I'll take one Lawson.

Jack

Greg Wheelwright
(gdw) - M
. on 07/31/2012 23:36:11 MDT Print View

One please.

Chris Cheng
(chrischeng) - F
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/01/2012 00:03:17 MDT Print View

Definitely interested in a couple.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
probably can't resist on 08/01/2012 00:23:51 MDT Print View

r .75 is pretty good if true for .125", that's I think r .25 better than evazote if actual.

really want to see your thicker pads, I hate neoair more than any pad I've ever used, possibly even more than old style 3/8 ccf, so it's time to start exploring old school thick closed cell again I think.

But worth checking out the 1/8 in the meantime, so I'll probably get one too.

By the way, is this sort of soft and flexible like evazote, or is it a bit stiffer and less flexible, like plastazote?

A cut down piece would weigh around 3oz I guess, that's 72x20, but I like you are doing bigger pieces, the scraps are really useful for other stuff.

Richard Banks
(EDDAKA) - M
Awesome! on 08/01/2012 02:06:41 MDT Print View

Yeah I'd get at least 1 for sure.

Karen Kennedy
(karenk) - MLife

Locale: NE NSW - Australian subtropics
Pads on 08/01/2012 04:30:37 MDT Print View

Another 2 for Oz if postage is feasible. Thanks.

robert toole
(robert240) - F
ccf pads on 08/01/2012 04:43:44 MDT Print View

one please

Andy Anderson
(ianders) - F

Locale: Southeast
Sign me up on 08/01/2012 05:01:41 MDT Print View

I'll take one too!

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Folding on 08/01/2012 05:07:12 MDT Print View

Any idea how this pad would work folded?
Rigidity while folded?
I'm thinking about one to extend the temp of my poorly insulated blow-up pad and use it as a pack frame as well?

Kat Pink
(KatPink) - M

Locale: Midwest
Pad on 08/01/2012 05:50:30 MDT Print View

Count me in for 1.

Laurie Gibson
(lagibson) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/01/2012 06:10:02 MDT Print View

I would buy one.

Paul Hood
(sirisaac) - MLife
one here too on 08/01/2012 06:16:13 MDT Print View

add me to the list for one.
thanks.

pops c
(popsc)

Locale: Southwest
How low a temp will this work? on 08/01/2012 06:56:18 MDT Print View

How low a temperature will this work for lower body insulation? (The Legs)
Kit: Wool socks, Red Ram long underwear light, 20 deg 850 down bag, bug bivy, tarp .
Thanks for feedback


pops c on the AZT

Ian Schumann
(freeradical) - M

Locale: Central TX
+1 on 08/01/2012 07:19:59 MDT Print View

I'd be in too.

Jeff Gerke
(mtnrunner) - M

Locale: Utah
Pad on 08/01/2012 07:43:14 MDT Print View

I'll give one a try.

Ben Crocker
(alexdrewreed) - M

Locale: Kentucky
One here on 08/01/2012 07:48:20 MDT Print View

I will take one

Steve C
(smit)

Locale: sierra nevada
one more on 08/01/2012 08:09:27 MDT Print View

I will take 1 please

Steve

Jeremy Gustafson
(gustafsj) - MLife

Locale: Minneapolis
Re: Pad on 08/01/2012 08:52:08 MDT Print View

I'd take 1, maybe 2.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Wow..Lots of Interest : ) on 08/01/2012 09:01:28 MDT Print View

Wow..Lots of Interest : ) Good to hear. I will keep everyone updated on here. Thanks, Lawson

Casey Bowden
(clbowden) - MLife

Locale: Berkeley Hills
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/01/2012 09:27:04 MDT Print View

I'm in for one or two!

Amy Lauterbach
(drongobird) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/01/2012 09:34:28 MDT Print View

Two for me please.

Robb Watts
(rwatts) - M

Locale: Western PA
new pads on 08/01/2012 09:39:26 MDT Print View

Add two for me please

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Deminsions on 08/01/2012 09:39:59 MDT Print View

I especially like the dimensions.
Most CC pads are too narrow for me.
24" is perfect and can be trimmed for people who prefer a narrower and/or shorter pad.

Stuart .
(lotuseater) - M

Locale: 40°N,-105°W-ish
+2 on 08/01/2012 09:59:11 MDT Print View

I'm in for two

Joseph R
(Dianoda) - MLife

Locale: Chicago, IL
Re: Wow..Lots of Interest : ) on 08/01/2012 10:45:41 MDT Print View

Put me down for one.

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: Re: Wow..Lots of Interest : ) on 08/01/2012 10:52:31 MDT Print View

I'll take 2

Steve Hawkins
(Shawk) - F

Locale: Midwest
2 on 08/01/2012 11:04:36 MDT Print View

I'd like 2

Stevie Patrick
(XstevieX)

Locale: Adirondacks
+1 on 08/01/2012 11:28:41 MDT Print View

I'll take one.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
International Shipping on 08/01/2012 12:37:23 MDT Print View

I have received quite a few emails asking about the cost for International Shipping on this Pad. If there is a way to tweak my system so it ships First Class it would probably be $5.00 by itself and if you ordered other stuff maybe nothing extra. I currently ship everything Priority, but I am looking into a way to reduce International shipping costs so we will see. Thanks, Lawson

Edited by Mountainfitter on 08/01/2012 13:54:55 MDT.

Matt Allen
(zeroforhire) - MLife
me too on 08/01/2012 13:03:51 MDT Print View

I'll take one

brent driggers
(cadyak) - MLife

Locale: southwest georgia
foam pad on 08/01/2012 13:21:27 MDT Print View

Ill take at least one, maybe 2

James Gould
(highlandergymn) - F
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/01/2012 14:09:24 MDT Print View

two for me.

Jason Cravens
(packpack)

Locale: Cumberland Plateau
+1 on 08/01/2012 14:49:08 MDT Print View

I would take one as well.

Katy Anderson
(KatyAnderson) - F
+1 on 08/01/2012 20:57:10 MDT Print View

+1

Michael Schwartz
(greenwalk) - MLife

Locale: PA & Ireland
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/02/2012 06:36:39 MDT Print View

plus 2 for me. Edited: changed 1 to 2 pads.

Edited by greenwalk on 08/15/2012 07:49:44 MDT.

Rod Lawlor
(Rod_Lawlor) - MLife

Locale: Australia
Re: International Shipping on 08/02/2012 06:46:36 MDT Print View

Thanks Lawson,

in that case I'll go for at least two.

Thanks, Rod

Ben Wortman
(bwortman) - M

Locale: Nebraska
1 on 08/02/2012 07:07:43 MDT Print View

I'm in for one

Kashif Qayyum
(kashifq)

Locale: North California
pad on 08/02/2012 09:35:42 MDT Print View

+1

George Suchand
(fastnlight) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
CCF pad on 08/02/2012 12:10:07 MDT Print View

I'll take one.

Claude Hilliard
(RH1) - MLife
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/02/2012 12:16:20 MDT Print View

I would buy 2.

Noel Tavan
(akatsuki_the_devil) - MLife
R on 08/02/2012 13:52:35 MDT Print View

At that price, count me in for 1 or maybe 2

Casey Bowden
(clbowden) - MLife

Locale: Berkeley Hills
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/02/2012 14:18:53 MDT Print View

You're up to 76 pads Lawson!

Jesse Blough
(thegreatjesse) - F
at least on 08/02/2012 16:35:17 MDT Print View

2.. probably 3 for me

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
August 17th on 08/02/2012 19:30:18 MDT Print View

The pads will be instock and ready to ship by August 17th. I will keep everyone posted. Thanks again for all the support. Best Regards, Lawson

Edited by Mountainfitter on 08/02/2012 19:31:51 MDT.

E J
(mountainwalker) - MLife

Locale: SF Bay Area & New England
+2 pads on 08/03/2012 11:51:30 MDT Print View

2 here

Keith Bassett
(keith_bassett)

Locale: Pacific NW
Nice. Will be looking on the 17th... on 08/03/2012 11:56:27 MDT Print View

I will be grabbing one of these bad boys on the 17th, as an answer to the cold air pad issue...

Lawson, do you think you might get some super thick ones at some point? I remember 1/8th being most demanded, then some pretty thick ones being the next most demanded when you did your survey.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Super Thick Pads on 08/03/2012 12:15:52 MDT Print View

I plan to add super thick ones as well. I will most likely add 1/4", 1/2" and either 3/4" or 1". The super thick ones will most likely be convoluted to increase comfort and r-value while helping to reduce weight. It will be a little while before these sizes come out, but I will keep everyone posted. Thanks, Lawson

Edited by Mountainfitter on 08/03/2012 12:16:33 MDT.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Super Thick Pads on 08/03/2012 12:27:40 MDT Print View

Lawson, let me know when you get some 3/4" convoluted ones. TIA!

Charles P
(mediauras)

Locale: Terra
Re: Super Thick Pads on 08/03/2012 13:01:31 MDT Print View

Count me as another one waiting for a thicker pad. Any idea how small (or big) the 3/4 or 1" pads would roll up? Can't wait!

James W.
(jimmyjam)

Locale: Mid Atlantic
RE: Super Thick Pads on 08/03/2012 13:11:48 MDT Print View

Lawson,

I'm interested one also, depending on rolled sized and weight.

Christopher Reed
(sunkenisle) - MLife
interested on 08/03/2012 15:03:11 MDT Print View

I'm in for 1 maybe 2.

anthony k Johnston
(laser) - F
want ccf pad on 08/04/2012 12:42:33 MDT Print View

I'm in for 1

Nathaniel Roseberry
(Nathanr) - M

Locale: TX
Re CCF pad on 08/05/2012 14:40:28 MDT Print View

+1

KARRI KONGA
(twoisles) - F

Locale: soon to thru hike the AT
CCF pad on 08/05/2012 15:24:31 MDT Print View

I'll take one

Greg Yurkovich
(Chubbs4U) - F
pad... on 08/05/2012 15:53:24 MDT Print View

+1

Zane Darner
(ZED) - MLife

Locale: Idaho
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/05/2012 21:38:19 MDT Print View

Yep! Add me as well! Most likely for 2.

Edited by ZED on 08/05/2012 21:39:23 MDT.

Daniel Russell
(Superfluous_Grizzly)

Locale: Creation
+1 on 08/09/2012 09:44:25 MDT Print View

I'll take one. Your ingenuity amazes me Mr. Kline.

Michael L
(mpl_35) - MLife

Locale: The Palouse
Re: +1 on 08/09/2012 22:46:39 MDT Print View

2.

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor)

Locale: Northwest US
Thickness on 08/10/2012 17:10:16 MDT Print View

If you offer super-thick ones at some point (3/4" or 1"), I would take two or maybe three of those. Would you offer non-convoluted thick ones as well? If so, I might take two convoluted and two non-convoluted.

Thanks for finding a way to make these available, Lawson. I think it is clear from this thread that this product offering really fills an unmet need. The work you put into identifying the right material and finding a source is appreciated.

Edited by ckrusor on 08/10/2012 17:18:35 MDT.

Emily B
(emilyb)
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/13/2012 17:05:59 MDT Print View

+1 on a thick one when you get those going.

Serge G.
(sgiachetti) - M

Locale: Boulder, CO
2 more on 08/15/2012 05:42:16 MDT Print View

I'll buy a couple of the 1/8 "

david delabaere
(davidvcd) - M

Locale: Northern VA
the 17th on 08/17/2012 15:14:15 MDT Print View

Today is the 17th ! I want the pads now darn it ! I hope you didn't mean sept 17 though...

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Update on 08/19/2012 19:42:08 MDT Print View

Sorry for the delayed update as I was waiting to hear from the foam supplier. There was a shipping delay but the pads should be cut and ready to go by the end of this week. I am still working on the international shipping element so the timing should be perfect.

Thanks,
Lawson

David Hunter
(mdhunter)
how long? on 08/19/2012 19:59:48 MDT Print View

I am interested in one of your thick ones when they come in.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Name The Pad Contest on 08/19/2012 20:00:15 MDT Print View

On more thing..

I need your help. I need to come up with a name for this product. I was originally thinking of using the name EVAlite but unfortunately the name is already taken by some big foam company so I don't want to get into any trademark disputes. So with that said, I want to come up with a very unique name like Ensolite, Evazote, Mt. Hood pad, Z lite or Ridgerest. Something that's unique and very memorable. So here's the deal. If you have a cool name for these up and coming pads, please submit it here on the BPL forum and in a week or so I will decide who the winner is. The winner will receive two free sleeping pads and bragging rights for naming the pad.

Thanks,
Lawson

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Name The Pad Contest on 08/19/2012 20:22:07 MDT Print View

Drumroll please.......

... "The MAXI"! (just kidding, though it's funny!)


or "Lawson's Finest"

Edited by funnymoney on 08/19/2012 20:23:06 MDT.

Jason Cravens
(packpack)

Locale: Cumberland Plateau
off the top of my head... on 08/19/2012 20:36:08 MDT Print View

I like (LiteNight)

Steofan The Apostate
(simaulius) - F

Locale: Bohemian Alps
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/19/2012 21:04:30 MDT Print View

How about "CCFlite Sleep Pad". Google search turned up nothing even close.

Steve C
(smit)

Locale: sierra nevada
re: ccf pad name on 08/19/2012 21:19:43 MDT Print View

"Lawlite" as in "LawLite EVAmat" or "LawLite EVApad"
Steve

Edited by smit on 08/21/2012 13:06:21 MDT.

Kris Dunn
(linuxhack) - F
Name that Pad on 08/19/2012 21:33:47 MDT Print View

I like EVArest or Mt. EVArest...

Hoot Filsinger
(filsinger) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Pad names on 08/19/2012 22:17:48 MDT Print View

ReKline Pad or PadTi

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Name that Pad on 08/19/2012 22:20:15 MDT Print View

crash pad.

K C
(KalebC) - F

Locale: South West
Name on 08/19/2012 23:23:28 MDT Print View

Evamat

Evapad

Evabed

Edited by KalebC on 08/19/2012 23:26:36 MDT.

John Ebner
(JEbner) - M

Locale: Big Thicket
pad name on 08/20/2012 00:54:31 MDT Print View

Fitterlite pads

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Name that Pad on 08/20/2012 07:32:07 MDT Print View

EZTote, EZT pads

I hate naming stuff. I have 4 names and I'll never change them, too much work;)

SleepRest
NightRest
SlumberLite
EndurancePad, ccf being puncture proof market it that you can't pop it even with a knife or something

Edited by MarshLaw303 on 08/20/2012 07:33:11 MDT.

Laurie Gibson
(lagibson) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
pad name contest on 08/20/2012 07:45:11 MDT Print View

Wide Eva

Wide Light

WideLite

Edited by lagibson on 08/20/2012 08:08:24 MDT.

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
RE Pad name contest on 08/20/2012 08:01:17 MDT Print View

Lawsonlight, or Lawsonlite, LLEVA,



E
V
LAWSON
I
T
E

This site won't let me arrange the letters like I want to.
I was trying to put the E and V over the top of the A.

Edited by jumpbackjack on 08/20/2012 08:19:53 MDT.

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
RE Pad name contest on 08/20/2012 08:23:56 MDT Print View

Here's another

EVAlution

Jason McElyea
(rxfragmentation)
names on 08/20/2012 08:43:27 MDT Print View

EvaKline
EvaLast Foam Mat
UL EvaFoam

EvaLy Lite-Mat

Eva-LOE gets your brand in there, Lawson Outdoor Equipment

L0E E-pad

or something simple like:

AdventureMat (Pad) could even add LOE in front of that

Edited by rxfragmentation on 08/20/2012 09:24:34 MDT.

Mike V
(deadbox) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
Re: name suggestion on 08/20/2012 09:47:15 MDT Print View

Swiftlite pad
or
Aeropad

Edited by deadbox on 08/20/2012 09:49:33 MDT.

Keith Moses
(kmoses) - F

Locale: southeast tn.
ccf on 08/20/2012 10:45:27 MDT Print View

yep +1

Keith Moses
(kmoses) - F

Locale: southeast tn.
pad name on 08/20/2012 11:09:00 MDT Print View

sleeplite or klinelite.

Keith Moses
(kmoses) - F

Locale: southeast tn.
pad name on 08/20/2012 11:11:53 MDT Print View

klinelite, sleeplite

Keith Bassett
(keith_bassett)

Locale: Pacific NW
Pad Name on 08/20/2012 11:22:19 MDT Print View

Litrex, ToughLite, Litex, Toughex, Toughline, lightex, TuffLite, Tough Stuff CCF, Groundlite, SpeedLite

Getting the X sound into a company or product name has actually been correlated with success, unbelievable though it sounds. So said a marketing class I was in a few years ago.

John Ebner
(JEbner) - M

Locale: Big Thicket
pad name on 08/20/2012 11:38:28 MDT Print View

Evalux pad

Foreva pad

Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/20/2012 12:00:30 MDT Print View

+1 for Hoot's "ReKline" pad. Clever, clever.

Tim Heckel
(ThinAir) - M

Locale: 6237' - Manitou Springs
Jars on 08/20/2012 12:16:13 MDT Print View

I've been waiting for the pads so I could combine that order with some of the little jars. Any idea when the jars will be back in stock?

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
Name Ideas/Feedback on 08/20/2012 22:31:31 MDT Print View

Nimblelight

Reduksoft

EvaAlpha

The Wanderer/The Fellwanderer (Fellwanderer is the title given to Wainwright, the great guidebook author whose name has become synonymous with the fells of the English Lake District)

Muirwarm/Muirwarmth

Highland Pad

Franconia Ranger


Also, I'll very likely be interested in purchasing a thicker version of the same pad, probably thick enough for winter use (would need an R value better than 2.2 and a weight less than 15 oz to beat my Thermarest Z-lite).
A torso or 3/4 length summer pad would also catch my interest.

David Wills
(willspower3) - F
names on 08/21/2012 04:00:21 MDT Print View

The Dorminator (latin anyone?). Bonus points: no mention of the overused 'lite' suffix.



Adding to the comment about the usefulness of 'X' in a name with my 1st idea, how about the 'Dorminatrix'? No foreseeable problems with that, right?

Or, if you would like to advertise the warmth aspects, "Thermonator" or "Therminator"

As the holder of a marketing degree, I should be able to do better :(

More seriously though, using or combining geographical features or names of geographical regions and adjectives for warmth, rest, and lightness seem to be quite popular and the default solution to naming something. Rational differentiation in mainstream outdoor gear can be difficult these days, so emotional appeals are quite important to TNF or Columbia making another 3 in 1 jacket. It matters to niche mfgs too. Golite has the fortune of their brand name evoking a predetermined feeling about their gear no matter how accurate it is, so they throw a bunch of hyperbolic nouns and adjectives in their product names that don't need to involve lightness. Adrenaline, Ultra, Utopia, Quest, Jam, Rush, Shangri-La, all distinctively targeted towards the purchaser's perceived activities with each item. I'm actually quite impressed by it. Those are their hard goods. All their clothes have either specific (but obscure) or general landform or location names.

Never go too mainstream with your geographical entities though, for risk of sounding pedestrian to consumers who wish to feel very far in the loop. (I.E. Mountain Pad, or Everest anything unless you would truly use it on Everest). The 'list of landforms' on wikipedia could also be considered a partial list of outdoor manufacturers and products.

http://thesaurus.com/browse/heat
http://thesaurus.com/browse/light?s=t
http://thesaurus.com/browse/rest?s=t
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landforms

Combing all these words into a rondomizing generator would produce lovely names like the "Dainty Valley Pad" or "Sleepy Spring Pad", aggressive names like the "Lava Lake Mat", or plain undesirable names like the "Dirt Cone Slumber Pad". I'm sure our creative members could have some fun with this.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: names on 08/21/2012 13:14:56 MDT Print View

To combine a couple of Davida suggestions

Sleepy Valley pad
Spring valley pad

SVP

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F - M

Locale: NW Montana
Re: Don Draper it on 08/21/2012 13:54:43 MDT Print View

don draper

"Well, technology is a glittering lure. But there's the rare occasion when the public can be engaged on a level beyond flash, if they have a sentimental bond with the product. My first job, I was in-house at a fur company, with this old pro copywriter. Greek, named Teddy. And Teddy told me the most important idea in advertising is "new". Creates an itch. You simply put your product in there as a kind of... calamine lotion. But he also talked about a deeper bond with the product: nostalgia. It's delicate... but potent. Teddy told me that in Greek, "nostalgia" literally means, "the pain from an old wound". It's a twinge in your heart, far more powerful than memory alone. This device isn't a sleeping pad. It's a time machine. It goes backwards, forwards. It takes us to a place where we ache to go again. It's not called Evazote. It's called the Sleep Tight Pad. It lets us sleep the way a child sleeps. Around and around, and back home again... to a place where we know we are loved."

Charles P
(mediauras)

Locale: Terra
very nice on 08/21/2012 21:54:56 MDT Print View

Heh, that's awesome! just to build on that a bit and kitsch it up, Draper can be hopelessly serious, how about the SnoozeRite? Or SnoozeLite?

Or, how about, pointing to the only (very good) reason anybody wants foam: the NeverPop.

Say Raow
(lordrasov) - M
re:CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/21/2012 22:05:33 MDT Print View

I'm in for two. Are these going to be ordered via your website or via PM?

Dash Miller
(Dashy) - F
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/21/2012 22:34:55 MDT Print View

EvaLogic

Andrew Weldon
(hypnolobster)
Awesome on 08/22/2012 04:04:37 MDT Print View

In for one!

Rod Lawlor
(Rod_Lawlor) - MLife

Locale: Australia
EvaLawson? on 08/22/2012 04:09:03 MDT Print View

Either EvaLawson or EvaLawsion Pad.

christopher smead
(hamsterfish) - MLife

Locale: hamsterfish
I'll take 2 on 08/22/2012 10:12:03 MDT Print View

Cuz that's how I roll.

Peter Griffith
(petergriffith) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
Re: Name The Pad Contest on 08/22/2012 17:41:48 MDT Print View

EVAdream
HyberEVA
Hyberest
Hyberlite
EVAduro
EVAdura
EVAnex
EVAnext
EVAntage
Reva

Edited by petergriffith on 08/23/2012 08:09:29 MDT.

Nathan Washburn
(nwashburn)

Locale: Southeast
Names on 08/22/2012 21:26:24 MDT Print View

Pad Ti (mmm, sounds good)
Bachelor Pad (sized for one)
LilyPad (waterproof)
Mouse Pad (no reason)
Magic Carpet

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Thanks : ) on 08/23/2012 21:08:25 MDT Print View

Thanks for all the names, they are all great : ) There are a few that I really like but I am still undecided so keep them coming..

Thanks again,
Lawson

Jordo _99
(jordo_99) - MLife

Locale: Nebraska
Names on 08/24/2012 09:15:15 MDT Print View

A different route than other's have taken for naming schemes:

elEVAtor (EVA + elevator...would look much better as a logo than with this bland text...also levitate is pretty close too and levatate might work well even though it's not spelled properly)

Would be kind of cool to see a description/pitch for this to have various words with EVA in them:

evade
(re)evaluate
devastate
revamp
evaporate
(un)achievable
prevail

...something like "Tired of sleep EVAding you? Sick of being dEVAstated on the trail and finding sleep unachiEVAble? It's time to EVAluate your gear and get elEVAted."

...I realize that it's a bit corny sounding but I tried to write it for the most impact on the reader...
I'm sure it could be written better but I wouldn't want to spend too much time on it if you're not interested in the concept.

slogan could be something like "stop EVAding sleep and get elEVAted!" (again...it's hard to make it look cool/legible with Courier New font, the bane of a graphic designer)

I could probably help out with a logo (majored in Graphic Design for a few years) and my roommate does it for a living and might be interested in adding some padding to his resume (He'd probably be happy with just a pad or two and being able to put the work in his portfolio)

Edited by jordo_99 on 08/24/2012 09:21:44 MDT.

Dash Miller
(Dashy) - F
Names on 08/24/2012 10:34:45 MDT Print View

Insulawgic (law for Lawson)
Lawgic

Here is a great name though....

1/8" Sleep Pad

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
Names - LSP on 08/24/2012 11:11:54 MDT Print View

Hi Lawson,

I'd go for something straightforward - nothing too complicated, so why not LSP - as in "Lawson's Sleeping Pad".

Two reasons:

1. With something this short, it's easy to make a logo AND

2. Three simple letters as a name is very easy to remember (everybody knows what TNF or MSR means, or -in another context- KLM, KFC, JFK, etc.etc.).

It even has a slight resemblance to LSD - although I don't know whether that is good or bad :)

Good luck,

Henk (TFD)

PS. If you like my suggestion (and therefore I'd be in for some pads), I wouldn't count on free shipping (as I live in Spain).

Edit: You might even want to think about MSP (as in Mountainfitter Sleeping Pad), but maybe that's too similar to MSR (or MSRP).

Edited by theflyingdutchman on 08/24/2012 11:32:36 MDT.

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/25/2012 00:56:35 MDT Print View

Napoofay pads

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re:CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/25/2012 01:21:27 MDT Print View

The pad should be named the Godot Pad.

It is coming soon, isn't it?

--B.G.--

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
The pad of many names... on 08/28/2012 22:39:26 MDT Print View

I'll throw a few more names out there just for the fun of it:

Foambase

Fiberloft

Bedpad

Climback

Acherest

Mile Pad or Extra Mile pad

I'm a huge fan of the first one, "Foambase". If you don't use it, I'm tempted to design a pad just to get the name out there somewhere.

Edited by HermesUL on 08/29/2012 06:30:27 MDT.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/29/2012 02:51:32 MDT Print View

Cloud

Steve P
(swillhiker) - M
Any update? on 08/29/2012 07:21:06 MDT Print View

I've got my finger on the trigger for a Gossamer Gear 1/8th pad but your measurements look so much better!

...wait, that sounded odd....

Lance H
(SL0TH) - F
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/29/2012 10:48:34 MDT Print View

Thin pad: Cirrus

Thick pad: Cumulus

Angelo Radano
(zalmen_mlotek)

Locale: New England
Re: CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/29/2012 12:46:18 MDT Print View

REMlite
REMat
EVAsaurus
AlligatorMat or GatorMat (Nod to FL)
SlumberLite

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
EvaRest Sleeping Pads Instock.. on 08/30/2012 21:35:56 MDT Print View

Thanks to everyone's participation in name the pad contest... While there were a TON of great names, I liked the name EvaRest the best.. So congratulation to Kris Dunn for coming up with the winning name. Thanks Kris! (Kris, Please send me your address so I can send you your two free pads). With that said, thanks again to everyone else who participated.. For your time and help, I have decided to offer the pads at an introductory sale price of $12.50.. The pads are now instock and ready to ship.. Let me know if you have any questions.

LawsonEquipment.com

Thanks again,
Lawson

EvaRest

Joseph R
(Dianoda) - MLife

Locale: Chicago, IL
Re: EvaRest Sleeping Pads Instock.. on 08/30/2012 22:05:17 MDT Print View

Placed my order. Definitely looking forward to this one...

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: EvaRest Sleeping Pads Instock.. on 08/30/2012 22:57:03 MDT Print View

Just placed an order for one, per promised back on page one!

Looking forward to putting this underneath my Klymit Static V, which is a bit too wide for my GG 1/8th pad.

John Ebner
(JEbner) - M

Locale: Big Thicket
pads on 08/30/2012 23:18:50 MDT Print View

Good choice for the name, I like it. Really nice price too. Placed my order for one (and some other stuff).

In reference to your request for input on future pad thickness (via the email), I'd be interested in a 1/4" pad if you had them.

Edited by JEbner on 08/31/2012 00:21:44 MDT.

Hubert Blanchard
(bertmail)

Locale: Southeast
New EvaRest pads on 08/31/2012 10:34:55 MDT Print View

I just ordered mine.
Should replace my tyvek ground sheet for colder weather.
I would love to see a thick/short one; 3/8" is ideal for me.
Thanks Lawson for listening and creating products we want!

Steve P
(swillhiker) - M
Order coming your way.... on 08/31/2012 13:17:34 MDT Print View

Thanks!

spelt with a t
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
flagged on 08/31/2012 14:29:19 MDT Print View

.

Emily B
(emilyb)
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/31/2012 15:25:41 MDT Print View

Per your request for input on the upcoming thicker mattresses, I would be excited to see one with a thickness such that the R-value is 4.5 or more.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/31/2012 16:34:09 MDT Print View

R 4.5 ?
Easy. Buy 6 of them and use one on top of the other.
Franco

Seth Brewer
(Whistler) - MLife

Locale: www.peaksandvalleys.weebly.com
Ordered mine also on 08/31/2012 17:09:26 MDT Print View

Going to use it under my airmat for winter camping, and as my SUL kit sleeping mat ! Hope it will turn out to be the excellent multi-purpose piece of gear that I think it will !

Emily B
(emilyb)
CCF Pads; Coming Soon on 08/31/2012 18:32:32 MDT Print View

Franco, no joke, I've actually been considering that!
But I think I'll keep my impatience in check long enough to see what the thicker options are.

Hoot Filsinger
(filsinger) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
ccf pad arrived today on 09/04/2012 18:48:07 MDT Print View

Similar to the "utilitarian bandana" this pad will be assigned many duties. I like a pad with easy access on the outside of pack for siestas, snack breaks, packing and unpacking gear, gathering water, clean access to enter and exit tent, and the obvious extra insulation for sleeping. I see myself ordering another for cutting up into different lengths. Durability will be determined with time as I am used to using a 1/4 pad.

Susan Papuga
(veganaloha) - M

Locale: USA
Re: EvaRest Sleeping Pads Instock.. on 09/06/2012 02:21:51 MDT Print View

Darn! late to the party to throw in my name idea, but interested in a torso length pad if you are going to make those. Also, what is the final weight for the one you're offering?

One question, I would just use it by itself for a summer/3-season pad, so what thickness would you recommend?

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Shipping Update on 09/07/2012 14:06:02 MDT Print View

Hey Everyone,

I just wanted to give everyone a shipping update. If you ordered a sleeping pad with other items they were shipped separately, however both packages went out the same day.. But for some reason it appears like USPS held onto some of the sleeping pads at one of their sort facilities for a few days... I called and talked to someone earlier today but they just gave me a run around so I really don't know why. So with that said, you will most likely receive your other package first and then the Evarest pad a day or two later.. Sorry for the delay and any trouble this might have causes.. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Lawson

Brad Walker
(brawa)

Locale: SoCal
Re: Shipping Update on 09/07/2012 21:42:15 MDT Print View

Thanks for the update. Just got the rest of my order today so I'll be on the lookout.

Am I crazy though or is the Glowire more orange than it used to be? No complaint, just wondering.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Sizes on 09/14/2012 07:35:37 MDT Print View

Thanks to everyone for the business. Any feedback thus far? With that said, I plan to start adding other sizes. I think I am going to add 1/4", 1/2" and then either 3/4" or 1" in a convoluted pad. Any opinions?

Thanks again,
Lawson

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Question. on 09/14/2012 08:38:11 MDT Print View

How stiff are these?

Would you reccimend one for a frameless back to use inside as a frame?

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: Question. on 09/14/2012 12:27:59 MDT Print View

Michael: How stiff are these? Would you recommend one for a frameless back to use inside as a frame?

Hey Michael,

I have been using the Gossamer Gear 1/8th pad for a number of years as both a ground pad and inside of my ZPacks X-Small Zero for support.

In initial testing I would say that the padding that Lawson has sourced is a slight bit more firm than my GG pad was when I first bought it. It also appears to be a bit warmer, but that is just from me testing it on a cold wooden floor in my house with no shoes on - so highly unscientific ;)

-Abela

Daniel Russell
(Superfluous_Grizzly)

Locale: Creation
First thoughts and testing on 09/15/2012 09:35:08 MDT Print View

I, like John above, have the Klymit Static V sleeping pad and wanted to try this out underneath. Although I am quite bitter that Lawson did not choose my suggested name for the pad, I will get over it. :P

My first thoughts were, well... obvious:

-It is light.
-It doesn't seem extremely durable (but I baby my gear so it should last).
-It was surprisingly comfortable by itself (not so obvious, I suppose).

After my Klymit pad was applied:

-It has nice natural grip, so the pad doesn't slide.
-It added a new layer of comfort to the Klymit.

For use as a frame in a frame-less pack:

-This worked perfect inside my 2012 GG Murmur in place of the sit pad and I suspect it should work just fine in others. It is slightly more firm than other 1/8" pads I have seen (which is a good thing IMO).

Inside a hammock (Double-layer):

-This idea was a no brainer for me and probably the single-most applicable reason that I purchased this pad. I'm mostly a hammock camper but when my girl comes with we set up the SMD Lunar Duo. Anyway, the pad fit great inside my WBBB 1.1DL and was not uncomfortable. I suspect it should keep me warm down to 40-50 range with my Top Quilt (Rated to 20).

Hope this helps and I'll update more as I actually use this out in the field.
Happy trails,
-Dan

Edited by Superfluous_Grizzly on 09/15/2012 09:36:08 MDT.

John Ebner
(JEbner) - M

Locale: Big Thicket
Re: Sizes (Any opinions?) on 09/15/2012 13:28:44 MDT Print View

I'd be interested in a 1/4" pad, or better yet, a 1/2" pad in about a 48" length. Maybe both.

Daniel Russell
(Superfluous_Grizzly)

Locale: Creation
Feedback on 09/15/2012 17:45:23 MDT Print View

Lawson,
For what I use this for I would love to see a 1/16" pad. Am I the only one?

david delabaere
(davidvcd) - M

Locale: Northern VA
1/2 in on 09/16/2012 06:54:04 MDT Print View

For what it's worth, I feel having a 1/2in pad or two (combined with the 2 1/8in pads I already have) would make it a very flexible system without bringing too many pads to stack.

Mike Muralt
(mmuralt) - M
Got my 1/8" pad on 09/17/2012 02:40:49 MDT Print View

Haven't got to test it yet, but I like it. I'd suggest carrying it in all 1/4" sizes up to 1".

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
1/16" on 09/17/2012 10:23:18 MDT Print View

1/16" could be done.. I am not sure how durable it would be though.

Daniel Russell
(Superfluous_Grizzly)

Locale: Creation
Uses for 1/16" pad on 09/17/2012 14:58:06 MDT Print View

I would be use a 1/16 as a frame for my GG Murmur, a ground sheet for setting up my gear, and a groundsheet underneath my sleeping pad (or inside DL hammock) in mild conditions. Probably wouldn't take it below 45. There are many other uses aside from what I would use it for but they would probably decrease the pads lifespan like you say (such as a sit pad). I think it would be great though. :)

I'd buy one of those.

If you made a 36" long and 1/4" thick pad I'd buy that for my dog! hah :D
At that token I could just cut up a full length 1/4" if you offered those.

Anyhow, the 1/8" is solid so far. I used it out one night with a low of about 47f. Kept me comfortable as the bottom insulating layer in my hammock with just a top quilt and shorts/shirt.

Edited by Superfluous_Grizzly on 09/17/2012 15:06:25 MDT.

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
Pad ideas on 09/17/2012 17:56:49 MDT Print View

You should make a 1/16 in pad in torso length, slightly more narrow than the other pads. I'm talking 40 cm x 70 cm x .16 cm. Based on the available pad's stats, this pad would weigh around 0.55 oz, which would be the coolest thing ever. Gotta have bragging rights for "lightest pad on the market", and knock the socks off of any competition. The r-value probably wouldn't even suck very much, at about .4 or so.

But what I'm really interested in is the winter thickness sleeping pad. I want something to layer under a GG Nightlight which will give me a combined R-value of 5 or better. That would mean an Evarest pad with an R value of 3, or approximately .5 in thick. I would be very much excited to see a thicker pad though, and would probably buy the thickest available.

"Evarest: the thinnest, the thickest, the lightest, and the warmest foam pads on the market".

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: NorCal
Incoming on 09/19/2012 23:17:21 MDT Print View

Ordered yesterday. Shipped today. Thanks.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
1/4" and 1/2" on 09/20/2012 08:42:41 MDT Print View

Hey Everyone,

I am going to add 1/4" and 1/2" in the next few weeks. The size will be the same as before 24" wide x 74" long.

The prices, weights and R values will be as follows:
1/4"- $20, 8.20oz and R1.5
1/2"- $25, 16.40oz and R3.0

How many people want one?

Thanks,
Lawson

S H
(raisins) - F
0.75 inch on 09/20/2012 08:54:09 MDT Print View

Is there any chance for a 3/4'' torso length convoluted pad like the GG Nightlight?

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor)

Locale: Northwest US
Another request on 09/20/2012 09:57:14 MDT Print View

Lawson, I know you probably can't stock this material in every thickness, but are you still considering 1"? That would be ideal for me. If not, I'll buy two of the 1/2" pads and stack them.

John Ebner
(JEbner) - M

Locale: Big Thicket
pads on 09/20/2012 10:24:30 MDT Print View

I'd go for a 1/2" for now and probably get a 1/4" a bit later.

Brian Lindahl
(lindahlb) - MLife

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: 1/4" and 1/2" on 09/20/2012 16:27:51 MDT Print View

I'm in for a 1/4". Honestly I'd prefer a 3/8 over a 1/2. R-Value of 2.25 matches well with an R2-3 pad for 4-season (neoair/self-inflate/GG nightlight). I'd rather use a nightlight for the weight to fill out extra cushion in the key areas (lower back/shoulder/legs).

Edited by lindahlb on 09/20/2012 16:40:02 MDT.

Andrew Leese
(acleese)
Stock? on 09/20/2012 16:48:09 MDT Print View

I just found this thread and would like to by a pad. When will the 1/8" pad be back in stock?

Daniel Russell
(Superfluous_Grizzly)

Locale: Creation
In for a 1/4" on 09/21/2012 17:10:42 MDT Print View

I'd grab a 1/4" to cut up for my dog.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
how do you use your 1/8th in pad on 09/21/2012 17:14:41 MDT Print View

Like the title says, how do you you it?

It comes in 25in width, do you trim it, do you put in in your pack, how, why?

James Reilly
(zippymorocco) - M

Locale: Montana
how I use it on 09/21/2012 17:57:54 MDT Print View

I use a 50" length as a protection for my inflatable pad at night. During the day I fold it to 10" and use it with my tarptent poles as a stay for my MLD prophet backpack. It also does a great job at keeping my from sliding on a silnylon floor.

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
Excited. on 09/22/2012 14:51:56 MDT Print View

Put me down for a 1/2" pad.

How much volume does that pad take up?

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
Pads on 09/22/2012 15:11:10 MDT Print View

Lawson are you out of stock on the pads?


Jack

Tim Heckel
(ThinAir) - M

Locale: 6237' - Manitou Springs
Re: Out of stock on 09/22/2012 17:13:53 MDT Print View

I hope not. I was holding off to order a pad until the mini jars were back in stock. Hate to miss out on the pad.

Michael K
(chinookhead) - F - M
out of stock? on 09/22/2012 22:22:15 MDT Print View

It says: "out of stock". I hope it is only temporary. I want to order the 1/8 pad and some dyneema rope.

Lawson, will you be restocking the pads? If so, when?

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Instock Soon and Insulated Ground Sheets on 09/23/2012 22:53:27 MDT Print View

I have more sleeping pads coming instock very soon. I should know an instock and ship date by tomorrow. I will be adding 1/4" and 1/2" at the same time. Also the mini jars will be back instock next week..

With that said, is there any interest in a super thin highly durable insulated foam ground sheets? You know in a few sizes for your sleeping pad, bivy, and tent.. I found a foam that has a skin, r rating of .187-.375 depending on thickness, decently lightweight, and very durable. Basically its the stuff they use to make foam gaskets out of. The R.187 sheet would be .0312" (1/32") and weigh 1.44oz sq yard which is lighter then tyvek at 1.60oz sq yard. The R.375 stuff would be double that at .0625" (1/16") 2.88oz sq yard which would be equal to a very good quality 70D PU/Silicone Coated Nylon or an uncoated 200d oxford nylon. I look forward to peoples thoughts on this..

Thanks,
Lawson

Kevin Babione
(KBabione) - MLife

Locale: Pennsylvania
Insulated Ground Sheets on 09/24/2012 07:08:33 MDT Print View

The idea of a lightweight insulated ground sheet sounds good, but I'd be concerned mostly about the bulk of it. I have a polycro groundsheet that folds up and I keep it in a sandwich ziplock...

Would you have to roll the gasket material or could it be folded multiple times without cracking or tearing? You might find that your market for this product is people who use CCF pads because they're already rolling them.

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: Insulated Ground Sheets on 09/24/2012 07:15:56 MDT Print View

I recently started bringing along the exped multimat on my trips after years and years of using inflatables alone. I fold it over once and roll it up like a burrito to frame out my pack more. It only affects my bulk if I am trying to go extra low volume like the golite ion. I like having the foam backup after having my POE delaminate on me on a winter camping trip. I can always fold the pad over 4 times for a decent r value torso mat if things get dire.

Robb Watts
(rwatts) - M

Locale: Western PA
more pads on 09/24/2012 12:44:05 MDT Print View

Lawson, I'm in for a 1/2" pad.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: more pads on 09/24/2012 15:45:59 MDT Print View

Got hold of a few 1/8" pads. They are nice. They're still in the package but I did pull on one hard enough to easily rip the other 1/8" pads I have and it didn't even begin to be stressed to the ripping point.

I would still really like a 30" wide 1/8" pad.

I do a lot of cowboy camping and having a 30" wide pad on the bottom with a 1/2" torso on top works perfect for me.
It keeps you bag clean and lets you roll from side to side without getting dirty.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
36" X 48" on 09/24/2012 20:53:34 MDT Print View

How does a 36" wide x 48" long x 1/8" thick pad sound? I was going to be adding this size since a few hammock campers asked for something shorter and wider.

Update: The pads should be instock on Friday which means they will ship Monday.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Question on 09/24/2012 21:23:32 MDT Print View

Hey Lawson It's no big deal and I'm not in a rush but I received some items today and I'm assuming the pad ships separately? Because I did not receive it even though it was listed on your invoice.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Another Shipping Update. on 09/24/2012 21:51:26 MDT Print View

I just wanted to give everyone another shipping update. If you ordered a sleeping pad with other items they are being shipped separately, however both packages are shipping out the same day.. But for some reason USPS is holding onto some of the sleeping pads at one of their sort facilities for a few extra days... I called and talked to several people and even they can't figure out why this is happening. So with that said they seem to be arriving about 1-3 days later then your other package. Sorry for the delay and any trouble this causes.. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks for the business,
Lawson

drowning in spam
(leaftye) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: Instock Soon and Insulated Ground Sheets on 09/24/2012 22:15:33 MDT Print View

I might be up for a big ground sheet pad for my car camping tent. It'd nicely mask rocks and make walking around the tent a little less cold on my feet.

David Adair
(DavidAdair) - M

Locale: West Dakota
Re: Re: more pads on 09/24/2012 22:32:44 MDT Print View

Well since we are all making wishes to the pad fairy. I wish for a torso length pad that is one inch thick on one side tapering to 1/4 inch on the other. If I had two of them I could stack them to get about one and half inches of leveling from side to side. If I ever did get a level camp site (it could happen) I could flip one to make a level 1" pad. Having two pads means they would roll up for packing as a cylinder rather than cone. Hear me ole pad fairy and bringith forth the levevarest!

Rod Lawlor
(Rod_Lawlor) - MLife

Locale: Australia
Re: 36" X 48" on 09/24/2012 22:40:08 MDT Print View

Hi Lawson,

I'd be interested in something similar to the Exped Multimat, ie a 72" x 48" if that's and option. This would be pretty versatile as a ground sheet, a full wrap for a Neo or UL Synmat, a doubled mat for 1/4" thickness, or for me as an emergency wrap for SAR. If it doesn't work the way I plan, I can cut into three torso lengths or two full lengths.

Any chance?

drowning in spam
(leaftye) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: Re: Re: more pads on 09/24/2012 22:45:19 MDT Print View

David, that's a good one! I'd also slice one up for insoles to help my ankles out when they get tired.

Brian Lindahl
(lindahlb) - MLife

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: 36" X 48" on 09/24/2012 22:54:08 MDT Print View

I'd do full length 36x96. In winter, it'd be nice to ditch the polycro groundsheet for a 1/8" padded groundsheet. Hammock makers can order one and cut it in half. Others can order one and cut it down to their desired groundsheet size.

Edited by lindahlb on 09/24/2012 23:00:38 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re on 09/24/2012 23:00:17 MDT Print View

And all this time I was thinking my 25 inch width pad was wide...

Charles P
(mediauras)

Locale: Terra
Re: Re on 09/25/2012 09:32:39 MDT Print View

Its not the size of your pad, its the comfort it provides.

:)

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: Re: Re: more pads on 09/25/2012 09:43:34 MDT Print View

I totally agree with Rod Lawlor. Super wide like multimat so can even double as small tarp/blanket. All in one solution.

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
Groundsheet on 09/25/2012 22:53:51 MDT Print View

I did a quick calculation based on my spreadsheet/R value obsessiveness and found that when the weight savings over a Polycryo groundcloth is accounted for, the thinner width of insulated groundcloth is more weight-efficient than almost any pad (third to the Thermarest XTherm and the Exped Downmat 7).

This makes me officially interested. However, bulk is a potential game changer. I'd use it in Winter only, but my winter pack bulk is a serious issue.

What about a space-blanket type reflector that took care of radiating heat rather than just convective?

Tom Lyons
(towaly) - F

Locale: Smoky Mtns.
Re: Groundsheet on 09/26/2012 10:33:51 MDT Print View

I think a good combo for that would be to laminate a Heat Sheets emergency blanket to the Evarest pad of the thickness you want.
That minimizes bulk, and the Heat Sheets reflective material is more robust and resistant to tears than the cheap mylar space blankets.

Just cut the Heat Sheets reflective layer to fit the Evarest pad in the size you want.
They should probably laminate together well if you use some of that 3M Spray Adhesive, and be real good at laying it on the first time, because you'll only get one chance.
It may be best to use an oversize piece of Heat Sheets material, glue it to the Evarest pad, and then trim off the excess later.

They will roll up together in basically the same size as the Evarest pad rolls up to.

Theoretically, that should make a pretty effective combo for the thickness involved.

I personally would put the Heat Sheets reflective barrier layer on the bottom(with the silver side facing up toward your body and the orange side down facing the ground), because those things like to have a little bit of room between them and your body, to work best.
It would also protect the Evarest pad to a greater degree.

Edited by towaly on 09/26/2012 10:40:10 MDT.

Rob Daly
(rdaly) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
out of stock? on 09/27/2012 07:27:50 MDT Print View

Any estimate as to when these will be available again?

EDIT, I just read your previous post that they should be available tomorrow, cool.

Edited by rdaly on 09/27/2012 07:31:02 MDT.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Instock on 10/01/2012 09:55:02 MDT Print View

They are Back Instock!

I added 1/4", 1/2" and Full 48" wide x 74" long sheets of 1/8" foam.

Thanks,
Lawson

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Instock on 10/02/2012 21:30:51 MDT Print View

You are going to fell some loven from my wallet.

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor)

Locale: Northwest US
CCF pads on 10/02/2012 22:28:33 MDT Print View

Congratulations, Lawson, on the 200th post (all supportive) in this thread. I don't think any thread I've started on BPL ever exceeded 1/10 of that number of responses. If you could just find a mill that will turn out small batches of sub-1oz pure dyneema fabrics for you to vend to the MYOG community, I bet you could set a new BPL thread size record.

I ordered two of the 1/2" pads a couple of days ago, and plan to cut them down to mummy shape and stack them for winter use.

samuel smillie
(sam_smillie) - F

Locale: central canada
international shipping (canada) on 10/04/2012 12:50:54 MDT Print View

Hi Lawson,

I'm really interested in ordering a couple of pads but wondering about the progress on reducing international shipping costs cause that's the only thing holding my itchy trigger finger back.

Thanks, Sam

Ryan Wiley
(huskerhiker) - F

Locale: So Cal
3/4 or 1 on 10/04/2012 14:40:08 MDT Print View

I would be interested in a 3/4 and 1. Any estimates on what a convoluted pad does in terms of weight and r-value for the same thickness compared to a non-convoluted?

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Update on 10/05/2012 10:56:31 MDT Print View

I agree there is a crazy number of posts especially when you consider what the product is. I agree that a sub 1oz woven dyneema would generate some sort of world record. If this one has 200, then I am sure it would be at-least one billion haha... Thanks again for everyone's feedback, support and business : )

When I added the 1/4" and 1/2" pads I had some concerns regarding shipping costs. As you know I currently don't charge on orders over $10 and I have been thinking of going to free shipping on all orders with no minimums. But as feared, shipping these two sizes have proven more costly then I originally figured so I am going to have to raise the price on the 1/4" and 1/2" pads.. I hate to do this but the only other option would be to change my shipping policy which is something I do not want to do. With that said, there is only 10 1/2" pads and 20 1/4" pads left.

Thanks,
Lawson

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Added Torso Length on 10/10/2012 19:10:01 MDT Print View

Added Torso Length. 24" x 48" x 1/8" $7.95

Edited by Mountainfitter on 10/12/2012 09:38:03 MDT.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
3/4" pads on 10/10/2012 19:19:20 MDT Print View

When are the 3/4" pads comming in? My old NightLite(non torso length) is getting due to be replaced.

Frank H.
(porker110) - F

Locale: California
3/4" on 10/10/2012 21:23:47 MDT Print View

I would also be interested in a 3/4" pad.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
1" Pads on 10/11/2012 08:19:11 MDT Print View

I am working on a 1" convoluted pad right now. At 20" x 72" my prototype/sample pad weighs 18oz. I plan to run them in full length at 24" x 74" which will weigh around 22oz and a torso length at 24" x 48" will weigh 14.5oz. Now I realize this is heavier then other ccf pads but they can be used as a stand alone pad that will never pop or go flat. Only issue is rolling it up. Its pretty HUGE..

Edited by Mountainfitter on 10/12/2012 09:37:21 MDT.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: 1" Pads on 10/11/2012 09:18:30 MDT Print View

Yeah, 1" would be too big. The older NightLights were about 6-7oz for a 20x70 pad. I wouldn't be interested for more weight than aboyt 8oz.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Different Kind Of Foam on 10/11/2012 10:04:15 MDT Print View

Using the current foam, 8oz would be impossible to hit for a full size convoluted EVA type foam pad even at 1/2" thick. GG must of been using a different kind of foam because no foam manufacturer in the world can make an EVA foam that low of a density.. That said, there really isn't much difference in weight between a 1/2", 3/4" or 1" convoluted foam because the base thickness and the base size of the convolutions are the same.. The only thing that changes is the peak height. In a 1" foam the peaks are taller which really helps for comfort and added R value. I hope this makes sense..

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Different Kind Of Foam on 10/11/2012 10:43:31 MDT Print View

OK, Thanks. The older NightLites were some sort of nitrogen impregnated CCF. They *did* flatten with use over a couple years, hence, my need. GG no longer sells these, BTW. The ones they had were also quite heavy at about 10-11oz.

I believe these were about 1/4" thick at the valley and 3/4" at the peaks. Nesting two together gave about 1" thick for a 21"x19-3/4" pad. They were not cut square, though, so I would loose a little making up a mid pad, about 53+" after seaming, fanfold. A few strips of duct tape worked to hold it together. Total was about 7oz or so for R2+. I believe the old spec was about R2.4, but it would squash down a bit.

Note that the convoluted pads are actually a bit warmer than the spec's say. The "bumps" act like small "loft pockets". Maybe R2.4 is a good number.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Nitrogen on 10/11/2012 11:41:50 MDT Print View

Nitrogen and cross linking are both bi-products of the foaming process in all plastic foams and sponge rubbers. It was probably a lower density 100% PE foam with no EVA. This would be the reason it had more compression set (went flat). That said, the 1" EvaRest convoluted pad also has a 1/4" base. The base is really what adds to the weight. I was trying to reduce the base to 1/8" or even 3/16" but so far no luck. To reduce even more weight, I thought of perforating the valleys with 1/2" holes. It would cut about 2oz for a full size pad which is not bad but I think it would kill the R value so I don't think it would be worth it. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Lawson

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Nitrogen on 10/11/2012 14:00:03 MDT Print View

I sort of doubt that it was polyethylene since this is more difficult to foam. Maybe polypropylene...anyway, in that family, no doubt. I lost about half the thickness over 6 years, so I am really looking for a UL replacemnt. It is difficult to compare, based on a generic name. Clearly, by weight, that was not what I have been using.

I think the 3/8" (avg) value for the convolutions would weigh more. Check my numbers. (3/4 / 2)=3/8" in an even distribution. (Given 2 layes meshing with each other.)

Reducing the weight by drilling 1/2" holes through the PEAKS will do more for lightening weight than through the valleys. You really only loose a little R value, maybe R1/2 or R3/4 for about a 3 ounce savings. Fine for any 3 season pad. I don't use it when temps get much below 30F except to suppliment the NeoAir. In warm weather, it is fine, except in lean-tos...getting old, I guess.

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
1 inch on 10/11/2012 14:44:03 MDT Print View

Not sure what you mean by 'according to how you use it', but at an R-Value of 6 your 1" foam pad would be the second most thermally efficient pad on the market, according to my R-Value/area density calculations a few weeks ago. Even at an R Value of 4, it beats out any other foam pad around.

The issue becomes, as you mentioned, volume. I'm already starting to think that for winter trips of any length I'm really going to need a larger pack.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: 1 inch on 10/11/2012 14:51:44 MDT Print View

R6??? No, that cannot be correct. A convoluted foam pad of 3/4" only gives an R value of around 2-2.5. Something wrong somewhere... I would expect some measurment error. I am going to guess a high value of R3.5-4, as you say.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Variable on 10/11/2012 22:08:36 MDT Print View

R value with a convoluted pad varies depending on how you use it. If you use the pad right side up by itself it will not trap as much dead air which results in less R value. If you use the pad upside down or under another pad then it will have a higher R value because it will trap more dead airspace.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
R values? on 10/12/2012 07:13:19 MDT Print View

These are nice pads, just too dense(heavy) for my use. I would seriously question the R value of 6 and how you arrived at that number, though.

Most foams will not be rated at R6/in even as a flat sheet. In a convoluted configuration at 1", the 3/4" air space (~R1/in) would degrade it. You are, in effect, saying that for the average thickness of 5/8" will have ~R5.5 after removing the air space. This is the part that doesn't make sense and the part I am questioning.

Some good info on foams from the Dow company:
For standard ETHAFOAM products with a thermal conductivity of around 0.06 W/m.K (0.4 BTU-in/hr-ft2-°F), this results in a thermal resistance (or "R-value") of approximately 1.0 R per centimeter of thickness (2.5 R per inch of thickness), (R = hr-ft2-°F/BTU). See the Technical Data Sheet of your product of particular interest for a more precise calculation.
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The relavent link is: http://www.qualityfoam.com/ethafoam-faq

Sorry, I can't really compare exact foams without knowing what you are using.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
R values on 10/12/2012 09:36:39 MDT Print View

Hi James,

The manufacturer of the foam specs R24 for 4"(R6 per inch)for solid foam, so you are right when you say a convoluted pad wont have as much as R value as a solid foam pad. I guess I was thinking solid foam when I wrote the above post when I said R4-6. Not really sure but no matter what R6 for a 1" convoluted pad is being overly optimistic on my part, so I am sorry for the confusion.. That said, I would say R3-4 would be a more realistic number. Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Lawson

Nick G
(HermesUL) - F
R-Value 3-4 on 10/12/2012 09:52:32 MDT Print View

Well, that does seem a little more realistic, but it's really a shame because that means it's not really much better than the 1/2 inch pad. Why can't the world be perfect?

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
convoluted thinking on 10/12/2012 10:21:21 MDT Print View

One thing I have noticed about ridgerest and the convoluted foams is that they trap snow
or rain when used in snow caves bumpy side up. Inside a bivy it is immaterial.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: convoluted thinking on 10/12/2012 12:22:07 MDT Print View

Thanks, Lawton! Yeah, that makes a heck of a lot more sense.

Trapping snow is often caused by melting due to pressure/heat under the pad. Then, it freezes to the pad. More insulataion would help with that. Like condensation, at some temps you cannot avoid it, though. Even the floor of a bivy or tent will do that, too. Note that this same effect is what makes ice skates work, for an easy to understand example.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Back Instock on 11/16/2012 14:20:50 MST Print View

1/4" and 1/2" Back Instock and Lower Pricing.

Thanks,
Lawson

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Feedback? on 11/21/2012 00:11:56 MST Print View

I have sold quite a few of these pads now and was wondering if anyone had any feedback? So far I have heard nothing but good things but I would like to hear from more people so I can make sure I am offering the best products available. So that said I am interested to hear what you like, don't like, thoughts on sizing, insulation values, durability, etc..

Thanks,
Lawson

Josiah Vandervelde
(eternalnoob) - F - M

Locale: Florida
1/8 in Pad on 02/07/2013 22:10:46 MST Print View

Do you know when you'll have the 1/8" pad back in stock?

Brian Lindahl
(lindahlb) - MLife

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: Feedback? on 02/08/2013 14:19:03 MST Print View

I'm very happy with my pads. Good durability for 1/8" foam. I didn't get a chance to test out the warmth of the 1/4" coupled with an inflatable over the shoulder season.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Sneak Peak Photo on 05/16/2013 09:50:14 MDT Print View

Here is a sneak peak photo of the new "InsuLite" foam pad. I was going to round the corners but I received some email from customes saying not to so I kept them the same. They also come with elastic bands for keeping them rolled up. They now come in 1/8", 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2". Size is still the same at 24" wide x 74" long.

insulite foam pad

Edited by Mountainfitter on 06/04/2013 21:21:45 MDT.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Sneak Peak Photo on 05/16/2013 23:20:20 MDT Print View

These pads are awesome, they just don't stay in stock long enough.

And E
(LunchANDYnner)

Locale: Pacific Northwest
dibs! on 05/17/2013 02:47:26 MDT Print View

I call dibs on a 1/8"!!!!

J C
(Joomy) - M
I want one on 06/01/2013 06:14:14 MDT Print View

Just sent you an email re these, Lawson. Any idea when they will be available?

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Pads on 06/02/2013 13:46:38 MDT Print View

I have gotten a little behind on my email the last few days as I have been busy working on these. I think they will be online later tomorrow afternoon. I will keep the forum and my newsletter updated. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Lawson

And E
(LunchANDYnner)

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Gone fast! on 06/04/2013 22:15:19 MDT Print View

Dang! I checked this morning and the site wasn't updated with the new pads, and i just checked now, and they're updated, but all sold out! That was fast! Really wanted to grab an 1/8" one too! How long do you think before you'll have them in stock again?

Nathan Meyerson
(NathanMeyerson) - F - M

Locale: NW
no way. on 06/04/2013 22:28:29 MDT Print View

Here's to hoping he updated the site, but didn't actually update the stock yet. I have a hard time believing that the pads sold out in less than 5 hours.

Loren B
(ljamesb)

Locale: London UK, Greenville USA
Re: Gone fast! on 06/04/2013 22:33:09 MDT Print View

Not certain Andy, but I don't think they have been back in stock yet. The images have just been changed is all. If I'm wrong then the BPL crowd definitely have the fastest mouse clicking fingers in the world.

Edited by ljamesb on 06/04/2013 22:33:40 MDT.

And E
(LunchANDYnner)

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Not in stock yet on 06/04/2013 22:40:06 MDT Print View

I just got an email from Lawson, and he has updated the site with new pictures/items, but they are not officially in stock yet. He has lots of pads available, so no need to worry about selling out first day. He's a busy busy man, but love how dedicated he is to getting back to his customers!

Edited by LunchANDYnner on 06/04/2013 22:40:51 MDT.

Loren B
(ljamesb)

Locale: London UK, Greenville USA
back in stock on 06/05/2013 19:11:31 MDT Print View

ccf pads are back in stock on Lawson's website.

And E
(LunchANDYnner)

Locale: Pacific Northwest
ordered on 06/05/2013 23:12:44 MDT Print View

Ordered mine! Woooo!

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
RE: back in stock on 06/05/2013 23:38:17 MDT Print View

Bunch of rookies, I got mine when he first introduced them, ya'gota be lighting fast to score big. LOL

Jack

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Back Instock on 06/08/2013 18:43:05 MDT Print View

Looks like the members of the forum beat me to it. They are back instock.