SUL in a hammock... Lil' help?
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 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT SUL in a hammock... Lil' help? on 07/31/2012 08:58:24 MDT Hello Everyone,Gram weenie here looking to keep it SUL (<=5lbs base weight) for 3 season backpacking, but this time with a hammock. I have a Grand Trunk Nano and a 9 x 7 CF tarp (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=54666).I was wondering if I coud get advise on a few questions...but first some details...My hang calculator:http://www.imageno.com/kxhdn66why97pic.htmlWhat is the max distance between trees do you guys plan for in the NE?I am going for 18 feet.So I figure total Amsteel-blue w/ no ridgeline (will convert to Dynaglide over time, but pressed for time w/ a trip this Friday) will be:18ft - 7.83 ft (length of hammock w/ sag) = 10.1667 / 2 (either side of hammock) = 5.08335 lengths of Amsteel on each end of hammock to attach to trees.Then I need to account for the Amstee-blue I am going to wrap around the tree w/ sticks in between. I figure 3 foot circumference for trees in the NE so add 4 feet to be safe? Then we are up to 9 feet for the lengths of Amsteel connected to both ends of my hammock.I want to use sticks in between the amsteel and the trees to keep them protected, but I'm unsure what knots to use.When ground camping w/ a tarp I almost exclusively use a taut-line or adjustable grip hitch to keep tension on the tarp, but I have not tested if those knots will hold tension with my weight in the hammock. Any advice or experience with that?(I'm not interested in Marlin hitchs, or whoopie slings, or UCRs, etc., I'd like to do this with knots if possible. I' m also pressed for time so knots are most familair to me.)I'm also not sure how using sticks in between the Amsteel and the tree would not fall down. Unless my weight is in the hammock, there is no tension on the Amsteel around the tree. Wouldn't the stick fall to the ground?If the sticks fail to protect the trees I'll look into the next heaviest option.Thanks,Bryce
 Doug I. (idester) - MLife Locale: MidAtlantic Re: SUL in a hammock... Lil' help? on 07/31/2012 09:09:29 MDT If you nail the sticks to the tree they'll stay in place....Kidding! I'm such a kidder.I haven't done what you're trying to do, but it seems to me if you just use sticks that aren't nice and smooth, but instead have knots/smaller 'branches' coming off from them, you'd be able to 'hook' them onto the amsteel so they'd stay in place between the amsteel and the tree without the your weight against the amsteel.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT very good idea on 07/31/2012 09:12:19 MDT That's a very good idea Doug, I'll try to find some sticks with knots or little twigs hanging off them.I gotta see if the adjustable grip hitch or slipped buntline hitch will ~not~ slip under tension with my butt in the hammock using the slippery amsteel-blue 7/64ths line. :o
 Here There (cowexnihilo) - MLife Re: SUL in a hammock... Lil' help? on 07/31/2012 09:54:38 MDT The lengths you're using look similar to what I've been using for the past couple of months, though I'm using whoopie slings, tree straps, marlin hitches and other things you're not interested in, haha. I rarely have problems finding a site that will work, so you should be good to go with those lengths.-David
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT NE? on 07/31/2012 10:46:52 MDT Thanks David, I assume you're in the NE?
 spelt with a t (spelt) - F Locale: SW/C PA slippery amsteel on 07/31/2012 10:58:55 MDT I've not gotten any amsteel-on-amsteel friction knot to hold. I'd be really interested in how you make it work, if you do, but honestly I wouldn't count on it. If you're really against using any hardware, a lashing would probably be most secure with the least amount of fuss. You might consider making your tree straps separate pieces of amsteel instead of having the whole length attached to your hammock.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Re: slippery amsteel on 07/31/2012 11:39:34 MDT Thanks for the info spelt.I'm having trouble visualizing your ideas here.So if a friction knot may not hold, I can follow you with using lashing made out of Amsteel. It would just replace the wide, black webbing in this video, right?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_wrRb03yjQBut then how do you have any adjustability in the suspension to give your hammock more or less sag? (If you have to use a non-adjustable knot to attach to the lashing)Thanks.
 Robert Blean (blean) - MLife Locale: San Jose -- too far from Sierras Re: SUL in a hammock... Lil' help? on 07/31/2012 11:56:25 MDT > When ground camping w/ a tarp I almost exclusively use a taut-line or adjustable grip> hitch to keep tension on the tarp, but I have not tested if those knots will hold> tension with my weight in the hammock. Any advice or experience with that?Have you considered a trucker's hitch instead of a friction knot? I find the trucker's hitch works a lot better for me.
 Kevin Babione (KBabione) - MLife Locale: Pennsylvania SUL in a Hammock on 07/31/2012 12:11:15 MDT Bryce,I hammock throughout PA and have a couple of thoughts and suggestions:- Any knots you put in your Amsteel lines will likely be so tight after you've spent a night in the hammock that you won't be able to undo them in the morning. That's why whoopie slings are so popular - you can adjust them with each setup- I'm pretty sure a taut-line hitch isn't going to hold your weight- I think your estimate of a 3-foot circumference is too small. A 1-foot diameter tree will have a 3.14-foot circumference. Remember that you have to take the bark and the diameter of your sticks into account as well. I carry a 6-foot and an 8-foot strap and use the Marlin Spike hitch. I've found, at least in PA, that I need the extra two feet occasionally because I want to use a big tree for one of my supports. Most of PA was clearcut at the turn of the 19th century so the majority of the trees where I hike are about 100 years old - I'd guess that most are 18-24" in diameter about 6' from the ground where I put my strap.I'm not sure why you're not interested in whoopie slings and the like, but here's what I'd suggest:- Definitely have one piece of Amsteel (say 8' long) for each tree. Put a fixed loop in one end that you can pass the other end through as you put it around the tree. I'd still suggest a Marlin Spike Hitch for the free end of the tree strap (you can use a solid stick as the "spike" to save weight). This gives you a knot-free way to adjust your hang. Also - since you're planning to use a series of sticks between the Amsteel and the tree to protect the tree you might want to consider bringing a 1/2" binder clip that you could put on the Amsteel where the line comes through the loop to hold it in place when you're setting up. Also - check the tree carefully when you're packing up in the morning to see if the Amsteel cut into it at all - I went to straps because I found that I needed 20+ sticks to keep the rope off the tree bark. It just became too much of a pain!- For your hammock I'd do a fixed-length piece of Amsteel (say 3' long) with a loop at the end to go over the Marlin Spike Hitch.This should give you a setup that allows for trees from 14-18 feet apart that are anywhere from 8" to 24" in diameter.When hiking by yourself you can keep going to find the "perfect" trees. When with others, especially if they're ground-dwellers, you might not find the perfect setup within a reasonable distance from them so you need some more flexibility than what you originally described.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Re: SUL in a Hammock on 07/31/2012 13:22:55 MDT Great stuff Kevin, I appreciate an experienced hammocker in the NE's perspective.- Any knots you put in your Amsteel lines will likely be so tight after you've spent a night in the hammock that you won't be able to undo them in the morning. That's why whoopie slings are so popular - you can adjust them with each setup^^^ Hrmm, would tying an adjustable knot with a loop at the end of the hitch make it easier to undo in the morning?- I'm pretty sure a taut-line hitch isn't going to hold your weight^^^ Doh, well I heard an adjustable grip hitch is grippier, and someone just told me about a "5/3 Blake's hitch" to try out, we'll see.- I think your estimate of a 3-foot circumference is too small. A 1-foot diameter tree will have a 3.14-foot circumference. Remember that you have to take the bark and the diameter of your sticks into account as well. I carry a 6-foot and an 8-foot strap and use the Marlin Spike hitch. I've found, at least in PA, that I need the extra two feet occasionally because I want to use a big tree for one of my supports. Most of PA was clearcut at the turn of the 19th century so the majority of the trees where I hike are about 100 years old - I'd guess that most are 18-24" in diameter about 6' from the ground where I put my strap.^^^ Ok, I'll step up my suspension length *grumble, grumble* :pI'm not sure why you're not interested in whoopie slings and the like, but here's what I'd suggest:- Definitely have one piece of Amsteel (say 8' long) for each tree. Put a fixed loop in one end that you can pass the other end through as you put it around the tree. I'd still suggest a Marlin Spike Hitch for the free end of the tree strap (you can use a solid stick as the "spike" to save weight). This gives you a knot-free way to adjust your hang. Also - since you're planning to use a series of sticks between the Amsteel and the tree to protect the tree you might want to consider bringing a 1/2" binder clip that you could put on the Amsteel where the line comes through the loop to hold it in place when you're setting up. Also - check the tree carefully when you're packing up in the morning to see if the Amsteel cut into it at all - I went to straps because I found that I needed 20+ sticks to keep the rope off the tree bark. It just became too much of a pain!^^^ Knots are easier for me to learn / obtain than UCRs or Whoopies as I'm leaving this Friday. Maybe eventually.I am liking the Marlin Spike hitch more and more. It's not fully adjustable like a whoopie, but very easy to redo, that might be the right balance for me. Might end up with webbing after this weekend given your experience with the # of sticks, might be too much fiddle factor, we'll see.- For your hammock I'd do a fixed-length piece of Amsteel (say 3' long) with a loop at the end to go over the Marlin Spike Hitch.^^^ Agreed, after I try the hitches, this might be 2nd best thing weight wise.This should give you a setup that allows for trees from 14-18 feet apart that are anywhere from 8" to 24" in diameter.When hiking by yourself you can keep going to find the "perfect" trees. When with others, especially if they're ground-dwellers, you might not find the perfect setup within a reasonable distance from them so you need some more flexibility than what you originally described.^^^Good point, though in the Whites there'll only ~be~ one spot for us as we end at night because the area is regulated well.W/ the Marlin....in this setup, I'd try to maximize the length of the lashing to accommodate really large circumference trees. If the tree was a smaller size, but the distance between trees was rather far, I'd just tie the marlin spike hitch farther down on the leftover bit of the lashing, right? And keep the fixed end attached to my hammock extremely short to save weight?
 francis siracusa (fsiracusa) - MLife Locale: Northeast Hammock on 07/31/2012 13:25:50 MDT So we don't have to count Bryce as a "tent" for the campsite!!
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Re: Hammock on 07/31/2012 13:27:32 MDT Yes Frank,I'm trying hard to learn this "hammock stuff" quickly before we leave for our trip Friday as the tent platforms are limited and we have a decent sized group, plus anyone else that joins us at night. You can squeeze two guys in your shelter, right? :p
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Marlin Spike Hitch Question on 07/31/2012 14:24:23 MDT If I go with a marlin spike hitch out of amsteel and hang a fixed length of amsteel from my hammock to the knot on the back of the marlin spike hitch, would I be in danger of the fixed end loop hopping off or sliding off a knot that small made out of 7/64in amsteel?Maybe I can take a climbing spec caribiner and cut it down to just a toggle and hang the fixed end loop off that for added security rather than just the tiny knot at minimal weight add? Edited by bster13 on 07/31/2012 14:25:08 MDT.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT @Bob on 07/31/2012 14:28:08 MDT Hey Bob, the Trucker's hitch does not look to be adjustable which is what I was after, plus it looks too complicated for my dumb self to master in a few days haha. Thanks.
 spelt with a t (spelt) - F Locale: SW/C PA Re: Re: slippery amsteel on 07/31/2012 14:35:11 MDT Hi Bryce,I use a similar lashing to that, yes. Sag is not as critical for me b/c I have a ridgeline, but to set the right initial position, I use a biner at the end of my straps and a prussik of twine on my suspension lines. I set the straps, then clip into the prussiks and adjust until it's where I want. Then I do the lashing right to the biner and the prussick holds the position while I tie. After a little practice, I almost never have to untie to readjust. I could do without the biner if I tied directly to my straps and used a safety pin or something very light on the prussik adjuster. Maybe thread it right onto the line before making the loop. I can put up some pictures tonight if you'd like.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Pics on 07/31/2012 14:37:36 MDT Pics would ~really~ help, all this new terminology has my head spinning. :p Many thx!
 spelt with a t (spelt) - F Locale: SW/C PA Re: Hammock on 07/31/2012 14:38:45 MDT >>Hrmm, would tying an adjustable knot with a loop at the end of the hitch make it easier to undo in the morning?I tried this, thinking it was a clever idea, and yes, it can work--if you're willing to hang your whole weight on the standing end to pull the loop out! :P
 Robert Blean (blean) - MLife Locale: San Jose -- too far from Sierras Re: @Bob on 07/31/2012 15:25:01 MDT > the Trucker's hitch does not look to be adjustable which is what I was afterI guess I should have labelled it a "slipped trucker's hitch". The hitch is easy to pull to whatever tightness you want, and then does not slip. If you need to re-tension, such as after things stretch, you just release the end (that's why it was tied "slipped") and tighten again. There are two key things to watch out for:1) Be sure that you get the correct side slipping in the initial slip knot -- the side towards the end. Otherwise, when you put tension on the knot the slipknot will just jam up. All of the on-line tutorials I have seen get this right, but newbies tying the knot do not always get it right.2) How you finish the knot: 2a) Most tutorials show finishing by using one or more half-hitches. I do not like that, because it makes it hard to readjust the knot, and because the first one is liable to jam. 2b) A few tutorials show using a slippery half-hitch to finish the knot. That's better, but I'm not wild about that way, either, because I do not trust it to be secure. 2c) The way I like, but I cannot find any tutorial showing it, is to finish it off like a slipped sheetbend. That is both secure and easy to untie.Since you say you are not handy with knots, I doubt my description is enough. If you are lucky enough to find someone who can show you in person, though, you'll find it really is simple to tie, easy to re-tension, and very effective. It is easier to get tight than a tautline (leverage is 2x - friction), does not slip, and is very easy to re-tension if needed.I've got to say -- since I realized this way to tie the trucker's hitch, I have NEVER used another tautline -- there are just too many advantages to this trucker's hitch. One of the chief advantages is that this knot does not slip and (in my experience) tautlines all to often do slip. Edited by blean on 07/31/2012 15:27:26 MDT.
 Steven Adeff (TinCanFury) - F Locale: Boston bringing a larger tent... on 07/31/2012 15:57:03 MDT perhaps I'll bring my three person tent just in case Bryce finds himself in a half broken hammock with a tree on top of him...
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Won't need one... on 07/31/2012 15:57:59 MDT ....if a tree is on top of me. ;)
 Dustin Judd (ddujnitsud) - F use an aluninum descending ring. on 07/31/2012 17:18:48 MDT I you use an aluminum descending ring and run your amsteel in 4 to 5 wraps around the ring you can then take and run your bitter end around the tree or your attachment point of your straps(toggle or camp 9 binner is my favorite light weight hardware) and then tie off back at your ring, you can slide the ring up and down the amsteel to adjust your length. I learned this method when I first started hanging before I became comfortable with whoopie slings. I have even hung for several months with para cord and although a little stretchy it never failed to keep my 200 lb. ass off the ground.
 Dale Wambaugh (dwambaugh) - MLife Locale: Pacific Northwest Re: SUL in a hammock... Lil' help? on 07/31/2012 17:43:56 MDT Check out the videos at Hennessy Hammocks. It might give you another alternative: http://hennessyhammock.com/media/C37/#contentI would use the lashing method where you go around the tree, back around the line leading to the hammock and then back around the tree in the opposite direction. It can be finished off with a slippery hitch, half-hitches, etc. This lashing is used more often with hammock tarps and is similar to the figure-8 lashing that Hennessy uses. It would work fine with sticks to protect the bark. I would worry more about protecting the Amsteel with rough conifer bark. Socks or a bandanna might do it. If you want a ridgeline, it doesn't need a lot of fancy work. I rigged one using Zing-It with a bowline in one end and a taut line hitch on the other. There isn't that much stress on a ridgeline: you should be able to rock it a bit when you are in the hammock. Check out the Warbonnet video at http://warbonnetoutdoors.com/setup.php around the 5 minute mark. The ridgeline will hold up a bug net and/or storage pockets and give you a "stop" so you know when your setup is right. Do get some whoopies and toggles when you have time. It is the SUL way to get a suspension together and is so easy to use. I do prefer carabiners to toggles and use the Camp Nano 23's. Your hammock will be more comfortable if you can adjust it easily and get the sag right. 1" tree straps aren't very heavy. 8' ones from Arrowhead are just 1.9oz each. The 6' ones supplied with my BIAS Weight Weenie hammock are 1.4oz each. I wouldn't go out with less that 6' straps. I went to a camp out last week that was basically car camping, but I took my hammock and brought the short tree straps supplied by Hennessy (43" long). I just made it around one tree and was a full foot short on the other. I had extra Zing-It line and lashed it back and forth through the end loops of the Hennessy strap and then clipped my biner across the rows of Zing-It. That held for two nights with no problems.Just Jeff has some great photos and info on alternative hammock suspensions: http://www.tothewoods.net/HammockCampingSuspension.htmlHave fun!
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Decided on Marlin Spike Hitch (pic) on 08/01/2012 06:58:51 MDT Reason being....(IMO at this point)- Easy to tie- Uses the least amount of amsteel in the knot- Maximizes the girth of the tree or span in between trees to suspend my hammock.- Relatively easy to adjust hammock suspension & sag-Easy to untieI will lash the shortest bit possible of amsteel through the gathered end and then through a bowline and the resultant end coming out of the hammock will have a large bowline (to accommodate long toggles) or an adjustable grip hitch (I don't care if the adj. grip hitch cinches up on itself, it's just going to grip the marlin better)Then I will take my long length of amsteel and lass that around the tree threading one end through a bowline.The remaining long length of amsteel will be used to tie the marlin spike hitch wherever need be to hang the hammock. I can easily retie it to adjust hammock sag.)There was some worry about the size of the marlin knot to hold the length coming from the hammock. Well here is my solution:Regular Marlin spike hitch:regularMarlin spike hitch with the loose end wrapped around the knot twice:beefedFattened Marlin spike hitch knot under load:loaded Edited by bster13 on 08/01/2012 07:02:59 MDT.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Gear List w/ Hammock on 08/01/2012 07:58:15 MDT http://www.geargrams.com/list?id=8944It's not perfect (I don't know the weight of my suspension yet or slightly longer guy lines for the tarp, but I beefed up the weight of the GT Nano hammock )
 Here There (cowexnihilo) - MLife Re: Gear List w/ Hammock on 08/01/2012 09:03:38 MDT That's a great looking list!If you have limited site selections I definitely concur about longer straps. My "deluxe" hammock setup has one 6' and one 8' straps, but my light setup uses two 4' straps which assumes I can just keep hiking until I find a suitable spot. For reference, my 10' DIY hammock with whoopie slings, 4' straps, and toggles made from arrow sections weighs about 9oz even, and it's pretty hard to beat for ease of use. When I first started hammocking I did find a fixed ridgeline to be useful, but with practice I can usually get a good hang the first try now.Have fun!-David
 Michael Duke (mpd1690) - F Re: Gear List w/ Hammock on 08/01/2012 09:41:03 MDT Do you have any insulation for under you in the hammock? If not, then you will get very cold if temps are low at all.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Insulation on 08/01/2012 09:53:47 MDT Yeah my weights will flux as I figure out the exact length cordage I need. I'll bring some extra 1mm guy line for pitching on a slope as well.For insulation I have a 3/8th in foam pad in my list. i am not sure what it is made of, it's light density, but I am confident it will take me down to 40F as people on Hammock Forums use other 1/4in foam down to 40F it seems.
 Michael Duke (mpd1690) - F Re: Insulation on 08/01/2012 10:32:08 MDT I see now. I missed one first glance. Looks good!
 spelt with a t (spelt) - F Locale: SW/C PA Agree on 08/01/2012 11:39:22 MDT Good looking list, imo. Glad you found an acceptable suspension method. My camera did not want to cooperate last night and I wound up with about 4 dozen useless blurry pictures. Bah.Dustin,Would you be willing to post a pic of that descending ring rig? I tried a couple variations using rings but yours sounds new to me.
 Kevin Babione (KBabione) - MLife Locale: Pennsylvania Nice List on 08/01/2012 12:07:50 MDT Bryce - nice job putting it together. I think you'll be pretty comfortable and can't wait to hear feedback from the trip.I also have a GT Nano 7 hammock but I've dropped it (with whoopie slings, a 6' and 8' foot strap) into my Daypack for fun. I've moved on to a BIAS Weight Weenie...Check it out when you get back.Safe trip and happy hanging!
 Paul Hatfield (clear_blue_skies) - F Whoopie slings on 08/01/2012 17:20:40 MDT Please get yourself a set of Whoopie slings, tree straps, and toggles (under \$20 from Arrowhead Equipment) http://arrowheadequipment.webs.com/apps/webstore/products/show/2575039#and end this ridiculousness.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT But then... on 08/01/2012 18:07:41 MDT ....I'd be heavier.The only way I'll get tree straps is if the hassle of putting sticks in between the trees and Amsteel does not work to protect the tree or is too much of a PIA.I didn't get to SUL by end this "ridiculous." ;)
 Paul Hatfield (clear_blue_skies) - F Whoopie slings on 08/02/2012 13:07:13 MDT SUL is ridiculousness, as someone knowledgeable like Andrew Skurka will tell you.How much does a Whoopie sling weigh? 1 ounce?Whoopie slings are extremely light, extremely easy to use, and very adjustable.The tree straps in the system weigh a lot more. That is where weight could be reduced. Find some lightweight webbing.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT I find your posts.... on 08/02/2012 13:14:50 MDT ...slightly irritating. Conversely everyone else on the thread has been great with suggestions and ideas on how to go lighter with a hammock with the pros-and cons (much appreciated!). I've been SUL for awhile now and had no trouble on the trail for me personally and the types of trips I like to take.In the end this is the SUL sub-forum, please (try to) push your opinions on what is ridiculous somewhere else. Thx!
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Guyline for Tarp Ridgeline... on 08/02/2012 14:28:29 MDT ....Are there other benefits to having my tarp tie off around the trees on its own as opposed to tying it off to the tree strapping? The latter would use less guy wire and thus less weight.I realize providing the tarp with enough guy line to tie off around the tree by itself give you the ability to allow more ventilation with a high pitch or pitch it low to hunker down during a storm, but am I missing anything else?
 Steven Adeff (TinCanFury) - F Locale: Boston Re: Guyline for Tarp Ridgeline... on 08/02/2012 14:32:54 MDT the tree straps are not "tight" on the tree, so you will not have as taught a tarp line as you may desire.this is where Dutch's various clips come in handy.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Re: Re: Guyline for Tarp Ridgeline... on 08/02/2012 14:35:39 MDT The straps would be tight under load (when I a in the hammock) but not tight when I am walking around camp. Is this what you are saying? If so... thus your tarp would be flopping around a bit, correct?
 Steven Adeff (TinCanFury) - F Locale: Boston Re: Re: Re: Guyline for Tarp Ridgeline... on 08/02/2012 14:38:39 MDT more or less yes. you could go with a ridgeline whoopie that you can easily adjust in the hammock so that with your body weight it is taught.
 Kevin Babione (KBabione) - MLife Locale: Pennsylvania Tying your tarp to your tree strap on 08/02/2012 15:46:02 MDT Bryce,I've tried tying my tarp off to the tree hugger strap but as mentioned it was really hard to adjust. I'd be afraid of one of two things happening:- That when you're in the hammock the tarp becomes a limp rag hanging in your face- Or if you're clever enough to find a way that it doesn't loosen when you lay in your hammock you might cause unnecessary stress on your cuben tarp and tear itFor the tarp you can use really light line to go around the tree. That will give you, as you mentioned, the easy ability to hang your tarp high in good weather or to slide it well below where your hammock goes around the tree in lousy weather.Have a great trip and we look forward to a trip report!
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT No dice on 08/02/2012 15:55:04 MDT yeah, I called a hammock buddy, and he advised against it as well. The farther the span in between the trees, the higher up the trees straps have to go to get the 30deg sag in the hammock. If you pitch your tarp off those straps it could end up being hella high....which is fine for ventilation, but if a stor, comes, ut oh! Thx.
 Steven Adeff (TinCanFury) - F Locale: Boston Re: No dice on 08/02/2012 16:05:40 MDT zing-it it is light and more than strong enough for a tarp, you may even be able to find another line that is lighter and strong enough.add in a couple Dutch hooks of your choice and you have a quick, easy, and lightweight way to tie off your tarp.
 John S. (jshann) - F Re: SUL in a hammock... Lil' help? on 08/02/2012 16:43:14 MDT Bryce, share your gearlist when you get it finished.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Hammock & suspension weighed on 08/02/2012 20:41:25 MDT 6.2oz or 176g for the Grand Trunk Nano-7 hammock & 23 total feet of Amsteel-blue 7/64s for suspension w/ knots. Storage pouch cut off hammock.
 Joe L (heyyou) - MLife Locale: Cutting brush off of the Arizona Tr Carry weight on 08/02/2012 20:44:42 MDT You could order very short, therefore very light, tree straps now and have them for the trip after this one. I'm using polypro straps that stretch more than polyester, but they are lighter. Mine were an UL request from what is now Dream Hammocks run by Papa Smurf. Ask about the UL version at any of the hammock gear manufacturers. If you walk a lot of miles, your body weight might be low enough that they can sell you the lighter version of their hanging gear. If not high mileage, then your pack weight is not so important. You could order Dynaglide now to have it on your hammock for the trip after this one.You could order Dynaglide Whoopie slings which will be the lightest, adjustable suspension. Your Amsteel is for UL, not SUL hangers.Bringing three ounces less food and tree straps would maintain the same carry weight as your current strapless outfit. Is there some problem with having 5.0 pounds of gear and three ounces of tree straps this weekend?How many other trips have you done with your hammock? Did you get to SUL with your first set of gear, or did you get lighter over a period of time as you changed your gear? The path to SUL hammock hanging could also be done in increments.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Re: Carry weight on 08/03/2012 05:58:12 MDT I hope to make some further weight saving tweaks after this trip, but I only put this list together this week so I had to make do with what I already owned and what was available locally (amsteel).Hopefully dynaglide is for the next trip. And hopefully I don't need whoopie slings or straps if all works out, but if I do, thanks for the tip."Is there some problem with having 5.0 pounds of gear and three ounces of tree straps this weekend?" <- No, I guess? I don't think I said there was, but I'd rather eat food than tree straps if you made me choose. :pNo other trips with the hammock. I'll be with a guy who hammocks all the time and with others plus the ability to go to the ground in a shelter if need be."Did you get to SUL with your first set of gear, or did you get lighter over a period of time as you changed your gear? The path to SUL hammock hanging could also be done in increments." <- Nope, spent a lot of coin first searching for light but bang for buck items and have slowly migrated to "just get pay and get the lightest because it drives you nuts." :p So in the case of the hammock, other than the amsteel stop gap for this weekend, I'm not looking to "progress" as much as possible. But yes, the path to SUL can done slowly if someone wanted to just like their ground game. In my case I think I can do it w/ amsteel, and now.
 Bryce F. (bster13) - MLife Locale: Norwalk, CT Gear List on 08/03/2012 08:04:12 MDT @ John Shannon, here is the gear list again: http://www.geargrams.com/list?id=8944
 John S. (jshann) - F Re: Gear List on 08/03/2012 17:52:34 MDT Thanks for sharing Bryce.
 John Giesemann (johngiesemann) - MLife Re: SUL in a hammock... Lil' help? on 08/30/2012 15:58:07 MDT Just saw this video on another thread. It shows different methods for hanging a hammock that would be useful for those like me that need to see it. Thought these methods looked very easy and useful for other situations, too. Check out this video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHuUmNOwBAw&feature=youtu.be