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Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
http://www.e-nrg.com/ ethanol quarts want to go in on order? on 07/20/2012 14:27:28 MDT Print View

UPDATE 2013-02-01:
Do NOT buy this fuel, it does not work as a alcohol stove fuel, it leaves a really bad residue of soot on your pot. It contains up to 10% isopropyl alcohol by volume, I believe they use that create the yellow flame tips. If the flame is allowed to burn all the way, without contacting anything, it actually burns fine, but that is of course useless for a stove.

If you have some left, give it to friends who have outdoor fireplaces, it makes a fine fuel to start them or to just make a bigger flame or whatever, but this stuff has no place in your stove, unless you want to get totally black fingers and face and stuff sacks and cozies, a greasy soot that is very hard to wash off at home, and probably almost impossible in the wilds.

Chalk this one up to experience, ignore this as an option, nothing I have ever seen is worse than this as a stove fuel. I didn't get around to testing it til this week, so I'm updating this thread in case someone got caught with the fuel and can't figure out why their pots got so black, it's not you or your stove, it's the fuel.
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mentioned alcohol fuel from e-nrg.com

Have to order minimum 12 quarts for 73 dollars, anyone interested in splitting an order, I think 4 or 5 quarts would do me fine.

Appealing to not use that nasty denatured stuff and to have to waste the metal cans. Still wasting the plastic, of course, but it's less weight.

If 1 or more of you in the Bay Area want to go in on one box of this I'll order a 12 pack of quarts, and we can split it, you pick up from me.

Cheaper than klean strip green.

Edited by hhope on 02/01/2013 13:44:34 MST.

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: By the Bay
I'd take a quart or two on 07/20/2012 14:48:25 MDT Print View

I live in SF and work in Berkeley.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
ok, let's see on 07/20/2012 15:29:08 MDT Print View

sounds good, let's see if a few more people want some, if 6 or more are taken, I'll order the 12 pack, don't need 6 quarts, but that's fine, stock up.

Oh, I forgot, I live in Oakland, by Lake Merritt, give or take.

Edited by hhope on 07/20/2012 15:31:43 MDT.

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: http://www.e-nrg.com/ want to go in on order? on 07/20/2012 15:29:09 MDT Print View

PM sent.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
4 or so down, 2 to go on 07/20/2012 15:37:45 MDT Print View

Ok, one more person ordering 2 or more and I'll put the order in. To make it easier, let's say 2 quart minimum, 6 dollars cash per bottle (I'll eat the small difference), payable on receiving it from me.

Edited by hhope on 07/20/2012 15:39:43 MDT.

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: By the Bay
Thanks for doing the leg work on 07/20/2012 19:17:31 MDT Print View

I'll do $7 per if it saves you a bit. Also, might take 3, but not sure where to store all those chems. my wife will think I'm heading to the hills for good this time .

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
ok, done on 07/20/2012 20:55:03 MDT Print View

Ok, if you'll take 3, I'll place the order, and if anyone else wants a couple, I'll sell those too.

Looks like they will store nicely, round plastic bottles, should fit somewhere or other, under sink, whatever, garage, etc.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
ordered on 07/20/2012 21:06:05 MDT Print View

Those actually came out to.... $6.66 a bottle with tax, heh. But I'm fine with what I said, or 13 for 2, or 7 each, whatever you want.

So those will probably arrive in about 1 week I'd guess, give or take, I count at least 6 so far, but we'll see.

I've flagged the thread so I'll get updates if anyone posts more.

E J
(mountainwalker) - MLife

Locale: SF Bay Area & New England
Thanks Harald on 07/21/2012 01:33:41 MDT Print View

Thanks very much for organizing this group buy. I'll gladly take 2 or 3 as I'm sure a friend will want one. Will PM you tomorrow.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
Ok think that's it. on 07/21/2012 11:52:47 MDT Print View

Let's see, minimum I'll want is 3, leaving 9.

So we can work that out when they arrive, but looks like that 12 batch is spoken for now with the current people here, looks good.

Juliana Cho
(choyoyo) - M
if anyone backs out... on 07/21/2012 20:59:13 MDT Print View

Hey Harold, I know you already have enough people, but if anyone backs out, I would like a bottle or two. I live in the same area as you.

Edited by choyoyo on 07/21/2012 21:00:40 MDT.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
should be fine on 07/21/2012 21:05:32 MDT Print View

well, maybe we can all try it, and if we like it, we can order another batch.

Some people said one or two, so I guess people can pick what they wanted based on the order of priority of the responses, and of course, of picking it up.

it sounds like nice fuel though, and I like that it doesn't come in metal containers like hardware store stuff.

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: By the Bay
Thanks again on 07/22/2012 18:42:49 MDT Print View

Put me down for whatever makes it happen. If a late-comer wants to try I will gladly take less too. Looking forward to trying this out.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
looks like enough on 07/23/2012 12:58:17 MDT Print View

well, there's enough for everyone to get 2, or most 2, and one 1 and one 3, so that seems to fit with what people asked for.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
count on 07/25/2012 15:30:38 MDT Print View

Let's see:

me: 3
bcutler: 2
EJ: 3
dk: 2
choyoyo: 2

Makes 12.

If anyone wants less or more, let me know, but I'll go with this unless corrected.

The people who said one or two, or 2 or 3, will have to work out that between each other, but I'll go with this list unless it's updated before I start to distribute them.

Edited by hhope on 07/25/2012 16:43:38 MDT.

E J
(mountainwalker) - MLife

Locale: SF Bay Area & New England
Fine with 2 if someone wants to try a quart of e-nrg on 07/25/2012 16:48:17 MDT Print View

Harald, thanks again for organizing this - very glad to find an alcohol fuel that burns hot and clean. I'm down for 3, and fine taking 3, but if anyone wants to try this out, I'm fine sharing and giving one of my 3 to them, leaving me with 2. Just let me know.

And if anyone wants to organize another SF Bay Area group buy in the future, let me know. Perhaps right before the next GGG.

Snap Judgement
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Eel River Valley
Re: Fine with 2 if someone wants to try a quart of e-nrg on 07/25/2012 16:50:47 MDT Print View

"And if anyone wants to organize another SF Bay Area group buy in the future, let me know. Perhaps right before the next GGG."

Great minds think alike EJ! I want to try this stuff out too.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
no reason not to do it again on 07/25/2012 17:09:12 MDT Print View

we can always do it again.

Prices drop a bit with a 24 pack, I wasn't sure about the interest, and didn't make the title clear that this was an alcohol group buy, so there might be more interest.

With tax (shipping is free), it's 6.66 a bottle for 12 pack, that's the actual true cost (I'm trying to avoid the satanic ramifications of that, heh), and a bit less for 24 pack, just for future information for california based people.

I know I went through a ton of fuel testing my stoves, well, ok, not a ton, but many quarts, so this stuff goes faster than you think it will.

By the way, one reason I jumped on this one as soon as I read about it here, was that I really have not liked any of the fuels I've bought, the observation that kleanstrip green burns with a yellowish flame is correct, it does, and that's the one I use that seems least vile, so I'm anxious to try one that should burn pretty cleanly and be mostly ethanol. Something designed to burn inside the house just seems more likely to be better thought out re toxins and all that. Plus the plastic bottles are nice for storage etc.

Edited by hhope on 07/25/2012 17:13:31 MDT.

Richard Cullip
(RichardCullip) - M

Locale: San Diego County
Re: no reason not to do it again on 07/25/2012 17:18:48 MDT Print View

Looking forward to hear how this stuff burns compared to the other alcohol choices.

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: By the Bay
Clean Fuel on 07/25/2012 17:40:42 MDT Print View

Got to appreciate the interest in the purportedly cleaner fuel. Honestly, I think I gave $9 at REI for "Crown Brand" and it's just as bad (not good?) as the paint thinnner variety from Ace. You're so right about using fuel testing. Hard to keep a leash on when the little stoves have such a cool blue glow and there are so many ways to test and compare their efficiency. Let me know the next step. Thanks (again). Brian