I don't get it. Ti Goat was happy that they found out the suspected 8d fabric was actually 10 X 10d instead of 8 X 10d.
Just because more threads per inch usually means lighter, it is a good thing that a 10 X 10d fabric weighs .67 ounces per yard. Imagine if it were a 20 X 20d fabric that was .67 ounces?
I couldn't stand the first batch of M50. I made just a bit of a stink about it on this site. If Thru Hiker didn't agree, then why the quick change in the new batch?
I was so hesitant on getting the new M50 especially with the price cut in half. I'm thinking, crap; it's going to be a cheap product. Turns out it's one of my favorite things on this earth. The thing is as a liner, the fabric is at best incapable of the task. Way too sticky and way too sweaty.
Now on to 8d. Again, with all the hesitation about this fabric being cheap as it was just ordered as a batch from BPL members, I took a long time to make a purchase. It was through the readings of Tim that finally switched my mind to give it a try. Turns out it is also great (as a liner anyway) (Thanks Tim).
Hands down, M50 is the winner here as a good shell material is much more important. So now we have two amazing materials for our home made projects. So what's so bad about that? There is no way I would use a M50 liner over the 8D and vice versa for the shell. I made this mistake once already on my sub 10 ounce quilt. The next one I made for someone was with the 8d and it is hands down the better choice as a liner. Even though half the material is used as a liner, Thru Hiker so wrong to say anything about 8d. It's like having the best two layer jacket in the world and complaining about the inner fabric. It may take the two together to make the product, but the shell fabric is what really makes it the best.
I also totally agree that Ti Goat's explanation of 8d being a 10 X 10 should not warrant the need for a name change.
However running 2 different versions of the M50 and three of the M90 and not clearly stating that there was a change is dead wrong.
"A new version of M50/ M90 is out. It is a different 20 X 20 or 10 X 10 fabric with the same great coating" (or new better coating) would work.
Okay, so the new M50 was labeled as it being Teflon coated, but it is not obvious to the costumer that doesn't follow the latest and greatest on fabrics.
I also don't understand how M50 is such a well coated fabric and can still be that light weight. Thru Hiker would rule if you could cut the weight on the M50 fabric with a lighter coating as minimal as the 8d has on theirs (if it would cut the weight by a percentage) and make as a doable option as a liner?
M50 is a much better quality fabric as well, and I would much rather use it for my entire bag, but as of now just doesn't cut it as a liner.
On a side note, as long as we’re talking down about fabrics, I absolutely hate purchasing fabric and having it cut at an angle. Having a strait heat gun edged cut would allow you to immediately start on your project instead of first fixing the mistake the person cutting the fabric did back at the shop (usually with a pair of scissors). I also don't own a 6 foot strait edge so unless the cut is perfectly square, I just keep measuring down from the top for each cut after so every cut after is also messed up.
For now 8d and the not stated as the 2nd generation of M50 will be the liner and shell (respectively) of every bag and quilt I make. I also thank those two companies for having such great products.