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Denis Hazlewood
(redleader) - MLife

Locale: Luxury-Light Luke on the Llano Azul
Snow Peak Gigapower Stove on 02/25/2007 18:00:26 MST Print View

I just bought a Snow Peak Gigapower Stove. The instructions say not to use any fuel cannisters but Snow Peak. Is there any problem using the MSR cannisters from my Pocket Rocket?

Stuart Burke
(burkest) - F

Locale: Collegiate Peaks Wilderness
Re: Snow Peak Gigapower Stove on 02/25/2007 18:30:06 MST Print View

When I purchased my Gigapower stove I was told by the sales associate at the store that MSR canisters would work with Snow Peak stoves. I have never used any canisters besides the Snow Peak brand because they have always been the cheapest ones I can find.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Snow Peak Gigapower Stove on 02/25/2007 18:42:05 MST Print View

You can use either SP's own brand, or MSR, or Jetboil fuel canisters with your SP Gigapower stove with absolutely no problems whatsoever. However, as mentioned above, SP brand is the cheapest -- even though there's no perceptible difference between it and the other two brands. Jetboil -- the most expensive of the three -- is supposedly made by the same manufacturer as SP -- just branded differently on the outside -- that is, if I remember reading correctly. Others who know might want to chime in.

Edited by ben2world on 02/25/2007 18:44:58 MST.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
Denis, only use SnowPeak on 02/25/2007 20:20:37 MST Print View

This is my empirical observation from owning and using a SnowPeak giapower stove and an MSR pocket rocket. You COULD use any canister of course; but I used the cheapest canisters I could find, and after several hours of use (not continuous), the valve on my gigapower started creeping open. In other words, if I left it on the lowest setting to simmer, it would creep open over a span of a couple minutes to about half open.
The store I bought the stove from would not allow me to return or exchange it because I "used non Snowpeak fuel". So I wrote to Snowpeak USA and they allowed me to exchange it through the mail. This took about 1 1/2 months.
My Snowpeak lantern exibits the same valve effect (I consider it a design flaw).
I honestly do not know what the difference in fuel is; but I dont hear much about other peoples valves creeping open; maybe it was cruddy fuel I got here in Japan? ..Just a couple other people on web reviews mentioned it. They solved the problem by rebuilding the valve using the kit you can buy from Snowpeak.

My MSR pocket rocket uses any cheap fuel with no such effects; it is heavier than the SP GP, but I consider it actually a better stove which has never let me down.

Edited by Brett1234 on 02/25/2007 20:51:00 MST.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Denis, Use Whatever You Want. It's Your Stove. on 02/25/2007 21:13:32 MST Print View

Brett wrote above, "The store I bought the stove from would not allow me to return or exchange it because I "used non Snowpeak fuel."


Don't ask, don't tell. And with retailers like REI, they wouldn't even ask in the first place! Luckily, SP brand fuel canisters happen to be the cheapest and just the right size for my needs. But if something equally good or better shows up for a lower price, I wouldn't hesitate to switch.

I have zero respect for manufacturers who use scare tactics to steer people to use their own-brand supplies -- or worse, who would use the excuse as Brett described above to dodge responsibility for a totally unrelated defect! Not good. :(

Curious, Brett, the store that you bought this from -- is it here in the US or local in Japan? I'm glad that at least SP USA honored the warranty -- even though it meant jumping additional hoops for you.

Edited by ben2world on 02/25/2007 21:19:33 MST.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
Ben, right REI rules on 02/25/2007 21:19:35 MST Print View

Too bad they dont sell Montbell goods. :(

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
REI and MontBell on 02/25/2007 21:24:49 MST Print View

Maybe old timers can add to this (and apologies in advance for going off topic -- although I think we have answered Denis' question).

REI did carry MontBell products some years ago! I believe right about the time when MontBell retreated completely from the US, REI had a grand "close out" sale -- which I missed, of course.

MontBell has returned to the US for about 4 years now (maybe longer) -- but REI has yet to carry a single MB product!

I vaguely (very vaguely) recall something to the effect that MontBell's earlier withdrawal involved a bankruptcy of sorts. I wonder if there's 'bad blood' between these two companies???

Edited by ben2world on 02/25/2007 21:31:52 MST.

Shawn Basil
(Bearpaw) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: REI and MontBell on 02/26/2007 07:00:53 MST Print View

"I vaguely (very vaguely) recall something to the effect that MontBell's earlier withdrawal involved a bankruptcy of sorts. I wonder if there's 'bad blood' between these two companies???"

I think the key is that the two are not "companies" to each other so much as "competitors" now. I've asked about whether REI carried gear from Montbell and the response was based moreso on marketing than any thing else. Montbell views REI (and I supsect vice versa) as a competitor, particularly since REI has made tremendous inroads in the last decade to build a brand that produces gear that rivals big name competitors. Look at the quality of REI's new lightweight raingear, the Quarterdome Tent, the increased durability of their new lightweight pack line, and so on. In the past REI was a company that carried big name gear with a few OK-quality-but-heavy house items bearing the REI label. This has changed, at least in relation to other brands like The North Face, Mountain Hardwear, Sierra Designs, even Gregory Packs (at least in terms of weight, if not comfort).

While compared to the superhigh quality per weight of the cottage industries, REI comes up short, but REI is not realistically competing with this market. To carry Montbell goods would be equivalent (in terms of marketing, not quality) to carrying EMS or LL Bean items within the store. It simply isn't going to happen. It might also be remembered that REI opened a major store in Tokyo in the 1990's. It is the only store which has gone under in the chain's history to my knowledge. Different habits for different cultures. But don't expect to see Montbell in REI. I've actually heard Montbell referred to as "Japan's REI".

Edited by Bearpaw on 02/26/2007 07:03:16 MST.

Denis Hazlewood
(redleader) - MLife

Locale: Luxury-Light Luke on the Llano Azul
Re: Denis, Use Whatever You Want. It's Your Stove. on 02/26/2007 07:19:14 MST Print View

Ben, Brett, Stuart and Shawn,

Thanks for your input. I bought the stove at REI yesterday. I was looking for the "horizontal" burner type described in the latest cannister stove CO BPL article. I have a Pocket Rocket and have used it once with the Evernew 1.3l and Titan 2.0l pots. Both took lots longer than advertised to boil water. I was concerned with CO generation and thought I'd experiment with the Snow Peak. I need to boil lots more liters before deciding which stove to keep.

I backpacked this weekend using my new Evolution 2P and my new Caldera Stove. It rained and the tent worked great. (More about that in a later review) The Caldera didn't work very well at all. I think it was because I was using 2 year old fuel. I've got to do more testing in cold wet conditions with new fuel.

Thanks again for all your input. This site is the one of the greatest things to happen for all backpacking, ultralight and otherwise.

-Denis


Evolution 2P at Sky Camp 2-23-07
Evolution 2P at Sky Camp, Point Reyes, 2-23-07

Edited by redleader on 02/26/2007 07:26:43 MST.

Arapiles .
(Arapiles) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Re: Re: REI and MontBell on 02/26/2007 16:22:01 MST Print View

" It might also be remembered that REI opened a major store in Tokyo in the 1990's. It is the only store which has gone under in the chain's history to my knowledge. Different habits for different cultures. But don't expect to see Montbell in REI. I've actually heard Montbell referred to as "Japan's REI"."

I think that REI may actually have had a couple of big stores in Tokyo, but the one near my house didn't close until maybe 4 years ago - Mont Bell took the site over and they actually had a lot of REI-branded gear in there for a while. LL Bean had a big store in Shinjuku that closed ages ago but they still have at least one remaining store in Tokyo.

Edited by Arapiles on 04/23/2007 15:27:23 MDT.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
REI in Tokyo on 02/26/2007 19:31:09 MST Print View

It was in Grandberry mall, Machida, and the REI sign is still on the outside of the building. First time I saw it I about jumped out of my skin thinking there was an REI here! Damn shame there is not; because it would make ordering and occasionally returning products easier. Currently I have things forwarded across the Pacific Ocean at great expense.(but still cheaper than buying locally)

Sounds like I would have spent a lot of time hanging out there..
"Interactive features include an indoor 45-foot-tall rock climbing pinnacle, a 400-foot-long outdoor mountain bike test trail, a footwear test trail, hands-on test areas for backpacking water filters and stoves, a Starbucks Coffee store, kids' play area and a club meeting room... a working fireplace in the store serves as a place for outdoors people to gather, share stories and plan their next adventures."
was REI is Montbell
:(

Edited by Brett1234 on 02/26/2007 19:39:22 MST.

Don Montierth
(Chumango) - F

Locale: East TN
Re: Re: Snow Peak Gigapower Stove on 02/26/2007 20:21:53 MST Print View

Snowpeak canisters are made in Japan. Jetboil canisters are made in Korea. MSR and Brunton are also made in Korea (the same company makes MSR and Brunton). All of these are mixes of isobutane and propane.

Shawn Basil
(Bearpaw) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Re: REI and MontBell on 02/26/2007 21:29:09 MST Print View

"I think that REI may actually have had a couple of big stores in Tokyo, but the one near my house didn't close until maybe 4 years ago."

That sounds about right. The decision to close REI Tokyo came down in June 2001, the same month I began working for REI. It probably took several months to phase everything out and actually shut down, probably sometime in 2002.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
REI Tokyo on 02/26/2007 22:24:44 MST Print View

April 19th 2000 to June 2001. You think they would have given it more of a chance to succeed. Based on my work with Japanese companies it takes them at least a year to trust you at all, and consider serious business. I think building a reputation with the Japanese consumers would have taken at least as long.
But there are exceptions, the first CrispyCreme in Japan just opened in Shinjuku(Tokyo), and I have been unable to get a darn donut there because they have set up those movie-theater style barricades outside the door, and the line is at least hundred people long (I'm not exaggerating), from before they open to the time they close. Too bad REI couldn't get that kind of loyalty here.

Denis, its great to see your new tent in action. Looks like it was beautiful weather there in California. Lets not tell anyone what a nice place it is too live!

Edited by Brett1234 on 02/26/2007 22:26:18 MST.

Arapiles .
(Arapiles) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Re: REI in Tokyo on 02/27/2007 13:25:43 MST Print View

Hi Brett

"Sounds like I would have spent a lot of time hanging out there..
"Interactive features include an indoor 45-foot-tall rock climbing pinnacle, .."

The last time I was there they did still have the climbing wall and it was being used ... the Mont Bell store in Shibuya (opposite Tokyu Hands) also has a climbing wall, and there's always been people on it when I visit so it's not just for decoration or image.

Edited by Arapiles on 04/23/2007 15:28:14 MDT.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
REI Tokyo on 02/27/2007 20:44:32 MST Print View

Damian, yes, been up that wall.. I only made it about 90% to the crux move, then couldn't get past it. :( The Yokohama location also has a climbing wall but its been closed recently (the wall not the store).

Denis Hazlewood
(redleader) - MLife

Locale: Luxury-Light Luke on the Llano Azul
REI Tokyo on 02/28/2007 13:04:16 MST Print View

NOTICE:
Last night I thought I'd do a test boil with my new Snow Peak Gigapower Stove and attempted to attach it to an MSR cannister. It wouldn't form a good seal. I tightened it down pretty hard and it still leaked. 'Bout froze my fingers. Guess I'll be fallin' by REI (Corte Madera) to get some Snow Peak fuel for this puppy, after work.

Edited by redleader on 02/28/2007 20:39:22 MST.

Denis Hazlewood
(redleader) - MLife

Locale: Luxury-Light Luke on the Llano Azul
Will MSR fuel cannisters fit the Snow Peak Gigapower Stove? on 02/28/2007 20:38:43 MST Print View

This afternoon I stopped and picked up Snow Peak Cannisters. The REI clerk had my dividend in the computer and I used some to pay for the fuel. Just now I tried the SP cannister with my new SP Gigapower. They work great with no leaks.

The answer to my original question: "Will MSR fuel cannisters work on the Snow Peak Gigapower?" NO! The stove gasket collar won't form a seal on the MSR cannisters.

Edited by redleader on 02/28/2007 20:41:43 MST.

cat morris
(catt) - F

Locale: Alaska
snow peak giga power on 03/01/2007 19:12:04 MST Print View

That's strange. REI told me when I bought the stove there that it is completely compatible with MSR & coleman canister thread configuration. I have used both types, as well as snow peak canisters, all without any problems whatsoever for a couple of years.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
Denis, read this please on 03/01/2007 19:55:03 MST Print View

Denis,
More info for you..
"theoretically every brand of screw-threaded canister fuel must work on any brand of screw-threaded stove./ ..there are small differences..in the threaded fittings on different brands of stoves and canisters."

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/canister_stove_faq.html