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No... not looking for an argument. For me, as a writer, it is pretty black and white as I came across this issue when writing a cookbook that had a lot of recipes geared towards vegans. The vegan organizations in the USA and Canada that I consulted with were pretty clear (adamant) on the matter. I didn't say it was my view - it was the reality I was dealing with and I had to respect that there are many vegans who are so strict that honey is not part of the diet just like leather footwear or gloves would be completely unacceptable.
As for honey. Well Bryan helped his Uncle with the bees from time-to-time and we do have friends that are bee-keepers. Heck, we even had to have one of them come out and removed a swarm that was intending on making it's hive in our 140-year old soffits. It was cool in the evening and the entire swarm went to my neighbors tree. It was fascinating to watch my bee guy reach into the swarm, remove the queen to a hive and have the entire swarm follow. The whole relocation process took about 10 minutes. With feral bees on the decline our raised bees are more environmentally important than ever. Keepers often take their bees out to pollinate crops and many of the orchards here have nearby apiaries just for that reason.
I tend to be of the mind, which obviously you are too, of knowing where my food comes from. This includes knowing, when we eat meat in our family (wild game or farm raised), that an animal was killed for the luxury.
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