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Scott Higashi
(SHigSpeed) - F
Jetboil warranty won't return my cup! on 06/13/2012 13:55:19 MDT Print View

I had a Jetboil Sol Ti cup and some fins melted. The cup had been modified by me before this happened, but the mods didn't cause the fin melt, they weren't completely soldered to the cup so they overheated. I was only boiling water at the time of the failure - first use. No scorching or other signs of misuse on the cup.

Anyway, I contacted Jetboil and told them what happened. I mentioned that I had modified the cup but they said to send it in anyway.

So, now they say that the modifications voided the warranty, and since the cup is no longer safe to use, they refuse to ship it back to me as-is.

They offered to sell me a replacement cup at "cost" but it's really only a few bucks less than I can get a new one online at other outlets.

Basically, they've confiscated my property with no offer to replace or reimburse. I think the "buy at cost" option is BS.

Anyone have a similar experience? Suggestions?

_SHig

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
Jetboil warranty won't return my cup! on 06/13/2012 14:29:37 MDT Print View

Take it back to rei and return it.

Scott Higashi
(SHigSpeed) - F
Confiscated Jetboil on 06/13/2012 14:46:34 MDT Print View

I wish I could... I shipped it back to Jetboil and they're keeping it! Won't give it back. Taking ownership of it. Occupy Scott's Jetboil.

I'm not entirely certain that that action is legal.

_SHig

Ben Barlin
(ben-ln) - F
Same happened to me, see my conclusion on 06/13/2012 14:59:23 MDT Print View

Same happened to me. Eventually they replaced it with another Jetboil product. It took many many emails abd then finnaly the response. PM me if you want details. You just have to keep at them.

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Re: Confiscated Jetboil on 06/13/2012 15:05:57 MDT Print View

You're basically screwed. To get it back you'll have to spend time (maybe money too) or you cut your losses.

First run it up the food chain. Speak with a manager, then the manager's manager et.al, take notes and record all correspondences. When they finally stonewall you or don't return your property ask to speak with their legal department. This will usually be enough to get them to make amends, either by returning your property or giving you a replacement.

If STILL they don't do anything then take your receipts and RMA info (you do have them right?) and you'll have to file in your local small claims court. Ask for monetary compensation to equivalent to the cost of the item + damages for time spent and court fees (document your time well and multiply by your equivalent hourly wage at work or minimum wage if unemployed). Depending on jurisdiction usually small claims court may or may not allow you to hire a lawyer (usually not).

Pain in the ass but if the principal and the cost are worth it then a judge will most likely side with you (especially if your "damages" are reasonable and not a million dollars or something).

In the future, you modified the product which should ALWAYS mean you voided the warranty. Never trust the company representatives, usually you're talking to some peon in a call center that has no idea or authority to make assurances to you (get it in writing first and the name of the representative). Personally I would keep climbing the food chain, warn JB and then file a complaint with the BBB. If that still didn't work out I would chalk it up as a learning experience and never buy from JetBoil again.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: Jetboil warranty won't return my cup! on 06/13/2012 15:44:23 MDT Print View

That's a great stove- when it works- the online accounts of fin failure with the Sol Ti are few and far between, but there is definitely some quality control issues with the heat exchangers fin construction. This wouldn't be the first failure testimony here at BPL.

Jetboil has a rotten warranty if this is how they intend to treat customers. The modification clause is their way of sticking it to you and washing their hands of any defective operation, whether that be of their own doing or yours. I realize it also protects them from people who tinker haphazardly with their product, but this doesn't seem to be the case for you.

May I ask what you modified on your Sol ti?

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Jetboil warranty won't return my cup! on 06/13/2012 17:38:10 MDT Print View

That's theft.
Go straight to their legal department.

cheers

Noel Tavan
(akatsuki_the_devil) - MLife
re on 06/13/2012 18:17:49 MDT Print View

Wow, this blows. I like companies that just "trust" the owner and sends something to them free of charge or at least only requires a picture of the broken item. It kind of make sense for them not to send it back because you could file a lawsuit against them stating that they sent you a defective items.

Edited by akatsuki_the_devil on 06/13/2012 18:26:12 MDT.

b willi jones
(mrjones) - F

Locale: best place in the world !?
Re: Jetboil warranty won't return my cup! on 06/13/2012 18:28:49 MDT Print View

call in the fuzz, tell them jetboil have stolen your 'pot'

Tim Cleary
(hempstead)

Locale: Lost
Nowadays, on 06/13/2012 19:30:55 MDT Print View

Just find the public twitter for Jetboil and post this URL. Could get results quicker than small claims etc.

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Nowadays, on 06/13/2012 19:38:44 MDT Print View

Your mod is unsafe?

How about them selling you a melty cup in the first place?

They won't send you the dollar amount for the "cost" of the cup? ....seems fair

Scott Higashi
(SHigSpeed) - F
Re: re on 06/13/2012 20:09:34 MDT Print View

It does make sense that Jetboil wouldn't want to send back an unsafe cup, however we're free in this country to make unsafe whatever we want. If I mod my motorcycle to stunt, then take it in to the dealership under warranty due to a broken fork, I can understand them not fixing it, but they'd be crazy to think they could take and keep it, right? If they want to shield themselves from liability, I'd be happy to sign a document absolving them from responsibility. That or send me a safe replacement.

That said, I think it'd be fair to expect a refund or be offered to purchase a new unit at the difference between their wholesale price and their manufacturing cost.

They currently have my stove, cozy, lid, and bottom cup which they are shipping back. Once I get those back I'll take further action. The refund would probably be my first request as I haven't asked and they haven't offered. If that falls through, then maybe I'll try more "leverage".

_SHig

Jeff McConnell
(Catalyst) - F
theft it is on 06/13/2012 21:35:53 MDT Print View

I'm with Roger, this is straight up theft. Call them up and threaten legal action.

Edited by Catalyst on 06/13/2012 21:36:25 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: theft it is on 06/13/2012 21:38:10 MDT Print View

I bet they lost it, and the whole "unsafe" story is just a coverup.

--B.G.--

adam blanton
(adamallstar) - MLife

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Nowadays, on 06/13/2012 22:05:38 MDT Print View

"Just find the public twitter for Jetboil and post this URL. Could get results quicker than small claims etc."

+1 Make a stink about it, eventually someone up the chain will start to smell it.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: theft it is on 06/13/2012 22:08:19 MDT Print View

I posted this link on their Facebook page....

Patrick Browning
(optimator) - F
Re: Re: Re: theft it is on 06/13/2012 23:06:03 MDT Print View

Nice David :D The web sure makes this world a lot smaller. That should pretty much fix the OP's problem!

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Re: Re: theft it is on 06/14/2012 08:29:11 MDT Print View

Not kidding, but my post was removed from Jet Boil's Facebook page.

Hopefully the OP has some resolution here!!

John Kays
(johnk) - M

Locale: SoCal
Fraud on 06/14/2012 08:39:44 MDT Print View

Good case for fraud in the request to the customer to send it back. e.g., "Defendants, and each of them, knew and conspired..."

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
Adding post to: "Jetboil warranty won't return my cup! on 06/14/2012 09:54:18 MDT Print View

Left them on note on their Facebook page.

Edited by redmonk on 06/18/2012 22:52:05 MDT.