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jacko vanderbijl
(jacko1956)

Locale: Shelley Western Australia
Evernew Ti Stove set on 06/14/2012 06:03:00 MDT Print View

I have the stove set and love it but have now also got the Caldera Cone TiTri Inferno as well.
The stove set is not the best for windy conditions and it can be unstable on uneven ground or with the wrong size pot.
The actual Evernew burner I cannot fault however. It is essentially an indestructible pepsi can stove in my eyes.
My preferred option now is the Evernew burner with the Caldera Cone (did not like their burner). It gives me a stove of immense durability, stability in the wind, and the ability to use wood or solid fuel as well. I feel I have everything but gas covered (and I have one of those in the cupboard as well).
If you want to use only alcohol and budget is an issue I would recommend the stoveset if you expect to do all your cooking on a stable base (e.g. picnic table). If your budget goes to it just get the Evernew burner and a Caldera Cone that suits your needs.
You will be able to pass your Evernew stove on to your grandchildren

Kevin Babione
(KBabione) - MLife

Locale: Pennsylvania
Caldera Cone with the Evernew Burner on 06/14/2012 06:39:35 MDT Print View

Jacko,

I bought the Evernew stove for what seems to be the same reasons you did - I wanted something light and virtually indestructible. I was disappointed when I used it in the field though. It didn't boil water as efficiently as the 12-10 stove that came with my Caldera cones (I have a couple).

With my Caldera cone and Evernew 640 ml Tall Pot the 12-10 stove will bring a pint to a boil with 15 ml of denatured alcohol. I found it took 25 ml with the Evernew stove to consistently reach a boil.

I haven't measured the time factor in reaching a boil - I'm not using alcohol because it's quick - so that may be a difference, but time doesn't weigh anything in my pack so I focus on how much fuel I need to carry for x number of pints of hot water.

My tests were NOT scientific - perhaps I had water temperatures that differed greatly or something like that, but the Evernew simply didn't perform as well as the 12-10.

Hex55 Meyer
(hex55) - F

Locale: Germany
searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/14/2012 07:49:18 MDT Print View

Why there is this warning in the information about the Caldera Cone Stove?

NOT FOR USE WITH WOOD OR PETROLEUM FIRES!!!!

Is it really not possible to use it with fire? Only the Ti-Tri?

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/14/2012 08:08:15 MDT Print View

Yes it is true, the heat of the fire will melt the aluminum.
The Titanium can handle that level of heat.

Hex55 Meyer
(hex55) - F

Locale: Germany
searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/14/2012 08:31:51 MDT Print View

Ah ok, didnt see that its only aluminium.
So if I buy a Ti-Tri without the inferno I also can burn wood in it? The difference between with and without inferno is what exactly?

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/14/2012 08:49:20 MDT Print View

Yes, the inferno only makes the wood burning more efficient. You can burn wood in the ti-tri with the floor no problem.

Hex55 Meyer
(hex55) - F

Locale: Germany
searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/14/2012 11:30:18 MDT Print View

And what will be a good pot for it? First I thought about the Evernew Titanium UltraLight Pot 2 (0.9L) http://www.evernewamerica.com/ECA252.htm because its wide enough to cook in it. But this pot is in backorder everywhere and its so wide, that the Ti-Tri also have to be bigger (more weight).
Second I thought that I will need a cup too, so maybe a Set is a good Idea, like the Evernew Stacking Set http://www.traildesigns.com/cookware/evernew-titanium-stacking-set-750400ml-eca278 or the lighter Snow Peak Mini Solo Cooking Set http://www.snowpeak.com/cookware/backpacking/ti-mini-solo-combo-scs-004t.html.

What do you suggest? I want at least a 700ml pot.

Herbert Sitz
(hes)

Locale: Pacific NW
skurka suggestion on 06/14/2012 15:22:06 MDT Print View

This isn't for use with wood, but for those wanting alcohol-only here's Andrew Skurka's solution. I think if it's good enough for him it's probably good enough for me. It's definitely lightweight:
Fancy Feast Stove

Richard Scruggs
(JRScruggs) - MLife

Locale: Oregon
Re: searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/14/2012 15:34:20 MDT Print View

If you want to use a 700ml pot and are considering using a Ti-Tri Caldera with it, Trail Designs has Ti-Tri ULC Calderas that fit inside a 700ml pot like the Snow Peak TREK 700 or Vargo 750ml Ti-Lite Mug or Snow Peak Mini-Solo or . . . see list at:

http://www.traildesigns.com/stoves/caldera-ti-tri-ulc

Rand Lindsly
(randlindsly) - MLife

Locale: Yosemite
Re: searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/14/2012 18:14:23 MDT Print View

.....we also make.....on request....the two piece "Fissure" cone system....pain to build so we don't advertize it much.....but will do it if you're looking for packability and full cone performance. Here's a video one of our customers put up on youtube. Full on ti-tri with stove, esbit and wood burning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnUKbbt6Ev8

Rand :-)

Edited by randlindsly on 06/14/2012 18:15:23 MDT.

Hex55 Meyer
(hex55) - F

Locale: Germany
searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/14/2012 23:57:30 MDT Print View

I think the Fissure will not work for me because I need it till end of the next week. My friend will go back to europe 25. june, so after that time i have to add international shipping + tax, so it will be a lot to expensive.

Rand Lindsly
(randlindsly) - MLife

Locale: Yosemite
Re: searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/15/2012 00:16:25 MDT Print View

If we move quick....we can get it done I think. Send email to randATtraildesignsDOTcom

Rand :-)

jacko vanderbijl
(jacko1956)

Locale: Shelley Western Australia
Re Evernew versus 12 10 stove on 06/15/2012 01:33:18 MDT Print View

Re Kevin's comments on comparisons.
My son and I tested the 12 10 stove and the Evernew stove (and a third one he has that is made out of galvanized steel) when we got the Caldera.
The tests were outside on a paved patio in the open air on a day that was calm.
We were reasonably scientific in that we ensured the water was at same temp at start, same pot was used eached time (cooled back to the water temp between tests as was the cone) and we compared to what was seen as first sign of boil and what we termed to ourselves as rolling boil.
We didn't use a thermometer but both watched closely for bubble formation etc. (What can I say - we were bored).
The Evernew and the 12 10 were near identical for fuel useage and boil times. Differences were very slight and as I recall Evernew was very slightly more efficient in fuel useage.
(The galvanised stove was slower but used a noticably lesser amount of fuel although it had a much larger tank.)
I could be proved wrong by others but I still rate the Evernew one of the absolute best things in my pack and only the NeoAir would be more reluctantly relinquished.

Kevin Babione
(KBabione) - MLife

Locale: Pennsylvania
Evernew Ti Stove Versus 12-10 on 06/15/2012 11:40:38 MDT Print View

Jacko,

You've pointed out one of the things I love most about these forums...That what you thought you knew might indeed be wrong! I'm quite intrigued now and will do a little test on my own to validate your results. I could easily be mistaken - now that I think about it the one time I used the Evernew stove in the field was when we were camped next to a stream. I often load up with water and carry it to "high" ground for dinner so it's very possible that there might have been as much as a 20-degree difference in the starting water temperature from what I normally do.

I love the look and simplicity of the Evernew stove, and you can't complain that it's not built to take some abuse.

Thank you for posting the results of your comparison. I really wanted to like the Evernew stove and will now give it another shot.

Hex55 Meyer
(hex55) - F

Locale: Germany
searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/15/2012 13:38:19 MDT Print View

bought the trail designs sidewinder with the evernew 0.9l pot. hope it was a good choice. thanks for your help!

Edited by hex55 on 06/15/2012 14:18:46 MDT.

Geoffrey Campitiello
(camp43) - F
Caldera Cone ULC vs Fissure ULC on 06/16/2012 08:19:56 MDT Print View

I've been seriously considering a Caldera Cone system. What is the benefit of the Fissure ULC vs the standard one piece ULC cone?

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Caldera Cone ULC vs Fissure ULC on 06/16/2012 08:35:03 MDT Print View

Think of the ULC as a half height cone. Fissure is a 2 piece full height cone. More efficient. Both pack up nicer than a full size one piece cone.

Hex55 Meyer
(hex55) - F

Locale: Germany
searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/16/2012 08:46:04 MDT Print View

but if you look here you can see that the ulc version isnt the best choice for wind isolation, heat transfer and stability http://traildesigns.com/cone-comparison
this is why i choose the sidewinder.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/16/2012 08:47:38 MDT Print View

Sidewinder for short wide pots. Fissure for taller pots.

Hex55 Meyer
(hex55) - F

Locale: Germany
searching for a light alcohol stove on 06/16/2012 11:48:01 MDT Print View

Fissure is a lot more expensive, so better choose a wide pot.