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Arthur Haskind
(Anubis) - F - M
Down sleeping bag needed on 06/03/2012 02:13:55 MDT Print View

Hello there,

i have been searching for a new sleeping bag (lost my old synthetic one).
i asked and searched around on the web and came across couple of brands:
FF humingbird
WM ultralite
Go lite adrenaline
Zpacks -7 bag - though this one has significantly less down than the others so i dont think it can actually go for 20F.

so i basically have 3 questions:
1. if badget is NOT an issue which bag should i buy ?
2. Is there some high quality brand that i didnt check? please only if they are of a higher quality than FF and WM.

3. 20F\-7C bag is suitable for summer+late summer early fall in europe right?

Edited by Anubis on 06/03/2012 03:44:23 MDT.

andrew brown
(abrown3mtg) - F

Locale: High Rockies
montbell on 06/03/2012 03:30:09 MDT Print View

Ul super stretch are seller. Keep you warm, great loft, very light, and they are stretchy so you don't feel claustraphobic. Best bag I've ever used.

Arthur Haskind
(Anubis) - F - M
interesting on 06/03/2012 04:42:27 MDT Print View

can you post a link to this bag's specs?

kevin smith
don t forget on 06/03/2012 07:31:02 MDT Print View

the western mountaineering alpinlite if your looking for a 20 deg bag

mines awesome i love it


Arthur Haskind
(Anubis) - F - M
im tiny on 06/03/2012 12:43:20 MDT Print View

im really slim.
i will fit the ultralite (which is basically the same back just slimmer) with some extra space :)

kevin smith
so on 06/03/2012 14:30:18 MDT Print View

your saying im fat ?? just because i won t fit in an ultralite lol just kidding

the ultralight is too tight for me only because i have wide shoulders

its a fantastic bag though and if you fit i say go for it the alpinlite is much roomier than the ultralite so for my big frame it fits me well

either way you can t go wrong with western mountaineering bags


Edited by divr6347 on 06/03/2012 14:31:38 MDT.

Arthur Haskind
(Anubis) - F - M
. on 06/03/2012 16:00:00 MDT Print View

that's exactly what i'm trying to find out.
because WM are so expansive i want to make sure that buy this for a long time to come and won't get that "darn i could have paid another 20 bucks and have a batter one " feeling.

so are there higher end down sleeping bags than WM and FF , assuming that budget is not an issue?

Edited by Anubis on 06/03/2012 16:01:24 MDT.

Ed Hayes
(ejhayes) - F

Locale: Northwest
I like my Ultralite. on 06/03/2012 21:27:40 MDT Print View

I have an Ultralite. It is my main go to bag for 90% of my trips.

That being said, it is somewhat expensive and I'm not sure you get more for the extra money. I'd still buy another one (or FF model). I like the slimmer size, which is harder to find in mainstream bags.

I would check out Montbell UL Spirals too. You can find them on sale for prices $100-200 less than WM, FF.

Charles Jennings
Check out Valandre' on 06/03/2012 22:08:41 MDT Print View

If price is not an issue, you may want to check out Valandre. Those that own them, typically love them. Very high quality materials and workmanship.

Donis Jeffs

Locale: PNW
Re: Down sleeping bag needed on 06/03/2012 22:09:22 MDT Print View

Have you considered Nunatak?

Their alpinist looks interesting. 22 oz for a 6' 20 degree bag. But not cheap..

drowning in spam
(leaftye) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: Down sleeping bag needed on 06/04/2012 03:54:15 MDT Print View

Try contacting some of the companies mentioned to see if there's anything they can do to make a better bag for you that's not on their websites.

Richard Lyon
(richardglyon) - MLife

Locale: Bridger Mountains
20 degree bags on 06/04/2012 07:16:56 MDT Print View

Arthur -

You're on the right track - FF, Western Mountaineering, Nunatak, and Valandre all make great down bags. My answers to your other questions: #3 Yes, a 20F bag should work in Europe through autumn unless you sleep really cold. #1 - I'd get a Nunatak Back Country Blanket with a few custom features: wider at the shoulders, a few extra ounces of down, and some extra length. That's Nunatak's edge [and why its price premium is justified] - you can tweak the standard models to accommodate your size and preferences.


Richard Lyon
(richardglyon) - MLife

Locale: Bridger Mountains
Valandre bag on 06/04/2012 07:18:53 MDT Print View

Arthur - I have a Valandre Mirage that I'm considering selling. PM me if interested.


John Markee
(Stormwaterpro) - M
Re: montbell on 06/04/2012 11:19:02 MDT Print View

I own a Montbell, UL spiral, down, #3 bag purchased about 1 year ago. Love the weight, construction and dual direction zipper. I'm a warm sleeper so I very rarely close the zipper completely. I use the bag for 3 season hiking where temperatures have varied from 30 to 50 degrees F.

My issue with this bag is I tend to over heat and sweat even in low temperatures. It doesn't seem to breath very well, so condensation builds up inside. Montbell told me this is more or less the way the bag is - it's not Goretex!

I was wondering if this is the same with WM and FF brands?

Arthur Haskind
(Anubis) - F - M
thanks for the feedback on 06/11/2012 08:24:38 MDT Print View

John Markee- you mean this bag :

Lower limit: -1C
Fill power: 650
weight: 879g/ 1lb 15oz

The WM Ultralite is lighter and warmer .

Richard Lyon - Valandre looks good although i rather buy the WM ultralite which is 49 grams havier but has 88 grams more down fill

what do you think?

Marquis Toson

Locale: Southeast
Re: thanks for the feedback on 06/11/2012 08:36:25 MDT Print View

Arthur, I think John meant this bag:

[EN TESTED]42˚F/ 5˚C(Comfort), 33˚F/ 1˚C(Lower Limit), 6˚F/ -14˚C(Extreme*)
*We do not advise consumers to reference the extreme rating for general use.
800 Fill Power Goose Down
12-denier Ballistic Airlight Nylon
100 wash rated Polkatex® Durable Water Repellant
[Max User Height] 5' 10”
[Inside Shoulder Girth] 57”~68”
[Inside Knee Girth] 46”~55”
[Stuffed Size] φ5.1” x 10.1”
Color: BASM(Balsam)

[Weight] 1 lb. 4 oz.
[Fill Weight] 11.0 oz.

Jason Picard
(jasonpicard) - F
re: down sleeping bag needed on 06/11/2012 19:26:46 MDT Print View

My single-arrow quiver = WM Ultralight

Arthur Haskind
(Anubis) - F - M
thanks for the feedback on 06/13/2012 01:30:28 MDT Print View

Marquis Toson - this bag is too cold, only 11 oz. of down fill and en rating of 1C. i think it's too. i think that -7 rating is the most accurate for high altitudes in Europe. so i checked the down hugger #1 which is rated to -9C/15F , but it's really heavy . 2.5 lb/1048g. and expensive 419$.
i still lean towards the WM ultalite . any ideas?

Jason Picard - sorry friend , English isn't my first language. what do you mean by that?

Edited by Anubis on 06/13/2012 01:36:17 MDT.

Brian Johns

Locale: NorCal
Another Vote for Montbell on 06/13/2012 11:49:11 MDT Print View

I have the Down Hugger UL Super Stretch (ridiculous naming convention, I know) No. 2. Have had it for three plus years and it still looks brand new. Handles everything I throw at it from camping under the stars, to tarps to tents. 20-ish to 60-ish, where I just sleep on top. Should probably get a 40 version here shortly, I've (it's) earned it.

Arthur Haskind
(Anubis) - F - M
reply on 06/13/2012 12:12:57 MDT Print View

Can't find it in the Mont-bell website, only seeing #3 and #1.
can i have a link please.

Edited by Anubis on 06/13/2012 12:15:35 MDT.