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Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
Censorship again at BPL on 06/02/2012 19:58:58 MDT Print View

Probably just a hard drive failure.

BPL wouldnt erase a whole thread.

Dave T
(DaveT) - F
rj? caffin? addie? anyone? on 06/02/2012 23:34:43 MDT Print View

Does anyone at BPL want to comment on this?

If not, maybe that says even more than deleting the thread (content and idea-rich as it was).

BPL done?

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: rj? caffin? addie? anyone? on 06/03/2012 03:40:30 MDT Print View

Sorry, I have no idea.

Cheers

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Edited by kthompson on 06/23/2012 07:56:23 MDT.

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
Re: rj? caffin? addie? anyone? even maia? on 06/03/2012 13:28:59 MDT Print View

Ken, judging from recent history, don't hold your breath; might be hazardous to your health!

On the positive side, I'd really like to see a response to Doug Ide's suggestion:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=64785
IMHO, it could bring in a lot of new members! Certainly a lot more than arbitrarily deleting threads!

Edited by hikinggranny on 06/03/2012 13:36:22 MDT.

Ron D
(dillonr) - MLife

Locale: Colorado
Time for a reality check on 06/03/2012 20:24:19 MDT Print View

I don't know RJ personally or pretend to speak for him but the way I see the situation is very different from the dominate posters on this thread.

RJ is going to run BPL in accordance with his vision and his values. Don't expect him to change his vision just because aggressive and vocal members on the forums want something different. BPL is his creation and he get to call the shots, which is exactly the way it should be. If you ever thought that buying a life membership would somehow place you on a board of directors you have seriously unreasonable expectations.

From what I have seen over the years on BPL RJ does listen to his customer base, but I don't consider that the curmudgeons to represent the customer base. I suspect and hope that RJ is looking at different and more valid indicators of customer sentiment and desires.

Don't expect RJ to engage in a constant forum dialogue on how to run BPL, it would be a black hole for his time and energy. This is a part time endeavor for him and it is not where he makes his money. He occasionally enters into discussions on the forums but it's minimal and I don't blame him, he would be sucked dry if he tried to respond to and debate every posting directed at BPL or himself.

Ron

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Edited by kthompson on 06/23/2012 07:58:00 MDT.

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Time for a reality check on 06/11/2012 21:00:44 MDT Print View

Ron, except that these forums are not something Ryan created himself. They have always almost completely been kept active by the members themselves. Ryan has almost nothing to do with them. Deleting a thread, especially on boards in which Ryan has been for most part absent for quite some time now, has got nothing to do with his "vision". As has been stated many times before, this whole website depends on member participation and the goodwill of the community. Ryan's vision would not exist without them. Deleting a thread without explanation is inconsiderate and alienating. It undermines what this freely given community is all about. And this IS paid for! We are NOT his employees. We have no obligation to keep silent about what we are thinking and feeling, about our objections. It baffles me why paying customers keep referring to Ryan's "vision", and forgetting that it is also the "community vision" that makes up a huge part of all this, which is not something that belongs to or can be controlled by, Ryan. Maybe that is the point of confusion behind all this... exactly who all this belongs to and who has a say in what. It would be very different if we were employees at BPL. Then I could understand where Ryan might have a say in what we say.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Time for a REAL reality check...Maybe. on 06/11/2012 21:52:01 MDT Print View

Maybe there is no Ryan Jordan. Maybe there is only this guy running BPL now:

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Maybe the real Ryan Jordan has been driven into hiding by the slavering masses, completely frightened by the expectation that he will one day return and usher in the New Age of Ultralight Backpacking v2. I couldn't blame him, it's a lot of pressure, especially with so many people so bored of cuben already.

Maybe it's only us, maybe only we can usher in the New Age.

Maybe that's what Ryan wanted to show us all along.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Time for a REAL reality check...Maybe. on 06/12/2012 06:46:12 MDT Print View

Blasphemy (who in the world ever thought up that word?!?)!! That can't be BPL related! There are no trees outside the window! But hold on... is that a Patagonia Pneumonia (or whatever you call the orange colored windshirt, back there on the sofa? So this might be authentic after all!

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Re: rj? addie? anyone? on 06/12/2012 07:58:37 MDT Print View

Possibly, RJ's mellow has been harshed one too many times for him to come back.

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Time for a reality check on 06/12/2012 23:18:48 MDT Print View

Ron,

One of the issues is that many folks are paying members, which makes things a little different, because they are now customers. Additionally, MLife members were promised many things to include being part of the BPL planning and strategy process, in exchange for their money. That hasn't happened. Not a big deal to me, but for those who ponied up $100+ with this expectation; and did not see it happen... that is a big problem. And the man who took their money has been silent for many, many months. So there are members who are going to be (rightfully) vocal.

I am happy if the forums just continue as they are. I don't want to be involved more than that.

But I do see the valid point some of our vocal members are expressing. So it is not just a forum, it is a business and there is a lot of customer dissatisfaction.

Michael Schwartz
(greenwalk) - MLife

Locale: PA & Ireland
Censorship again at BPL on 06/13/2012 03:19:09 MDT Print View

Those who have expressed their dissatisfaction around BPL's shortcomings in terms of delivery of product/service have valid gripes and concerns. I, too, am somewhat disappointed with some aspects of BPL and becuase I was unable to return an item and still have BPL vouchers because when I returned from an extended backpacking trip last summer I discovered that BPL's retail shop was closed for business. Still, I think that there is much that is of value on this site, though I'd like to see more articles.

I'm not sure if anyone else has brought up the point that RJ may be going through a difficult patch in his life? I think this community, founded by RJ, should keep this possibility in mind in this and other threads when voicing concerns and views regarding Ryan and his involvement in BPL.

P.S. Craig, I got a good chuckle from your post :~)

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Welcome to reality on 06/13/2012 06:40:45 MDT Print View

I don't want to start getting into Ryan's personal life here, online, for all to see. It is none of our business. And I also feel that the camaraderie of these forums has formed a rather amiable and somewhat close knit community. I think it is a bit harsh to be raking Ryan over the coals about something like this, when we have no idea what is happening. It's just too bad that Ryan hasn't at least explained a few things so that the tension is released and people can feel they can trust BPL. Perhaps it is working both ways, the longer Ryan stays quiet, the more tension builds up, but the longer people voice their strong opinions, the more Ryan will clam up. I don't know. That's the problem with non-communication and silence. They wreck havoc on any kind of relationship.

I think I'd prefer a lighter, more supportive, less confrontational way of addressing all the concerns that have been voiced. Getting harsh will create harsh feelings, and if that starts to dominate the BPL atmosphere then the wonderful community we have all been part of for so many years will be lost. That would be an awful shame.

But Ken is right, though; this is a business, with paying customers, and it is not acceptable that the customers are simply shunned. It would certainly cool the flames if someone at BPL came forward and addressed the issues. I don't think it's ever been this fractured before in all the years that BPL has been around. I can't even say if it is because Ryan is angry about something, feels insulted by us, can't get online, has lost interest, is unable to get unstuck, is planning something big, or maybe even hurt by all the anger directed at him. It would be nice if we could get over this big spanner in the spokes and become a better community for it.

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
A little communication... on 06/13/2012 06:47:58 MDT Print View

is all I am asking for. The chance for a meaningful, productive discussion.

Larry M
(Maethros) - MLife

Locale: Mid South
Re: A little communication... on 06/13/2012 12:25:03 MDT Print View

Very fair to ask for a little acknowledgement. Just a few words. It need not be a dissertation.