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Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
Terrorists Settings Fires in the Forests? on 05/03/2012 20:08:11 MDT Print View

The Al Qaeda English language online magazine "Inspire" has a page up telling terrorists how to start large forest fires with timed explosives.

No doubt TSA will set up check points at all trailheads inspecting for flammable materials and igniters! Only cold meals allowed on the trails! (The last two sentences are meant to be sardonically humorous.)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/al-qaeda-magazine-instructs-its-readers-to-start-forest-fires-with-ember-bombs/

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
They are watching on 05/03/2012 20:18:02 MDT Print View

I was at the Reno, NV airport last night to pick my mom up. To kill time, I walked around, up and down stairs etc. On my second trip outside to the curbside dropoff area, I noticed a couple guys up on the top of the three story parking garage, looked like Airport Security. I noticed that they noticed me. I'm sure I looked pretty bad with my gray beard. In all the 90 minutes I was there, I saw probably 8-10 different officers, plus, one Airport Security SUV making a few trips out on the tarmac. What do they need that for?
Duane

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
I worry more about on 05/03/2012 20:27:14 MDT Print View

Meth manufacturers.

Besides, we've defeated al Qaeda. Gotta be true, 'cause our Prez announced it. From Afghanistan, yet. Personally, I think it's to justify ever more intrusive domestic surveillance measures and a long term presence in Afghanistan.

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
terror on 05/03/2012 20:42:02 MDT Print View

There are so many ways to commit acts of terror it boggles the mind. It doesnt have to be on a large scale either. Terror is terror, because you dont know when or where to expect it, and it is disruptive (or supposed to be).


The only reason we havent had more, is the terrorists simply arent capable of executing anything. Anyone could drive a car into a crowd of people and kill 20 people, its just not as sensational as setting off an explosive. And apparently the terrorists arent that eager to get the virgins

drowning in spam
(leaftye) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: terror on 05/03/2012 21:28:12 MDT Print View

^^ Yep

You can be a honors high school student that blows up a soda bottle dry ice bomb and get brought up for terrorism charges. It's happened. Of course what people think is terrorism and what the government thinks is terrorism doesn't overlap completely.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re Re Terror on 05/03/2012 21:46:57 MDT Print View

The goal of terrorism is to scare people enough to achieve a political goal. Does anybody in his right mind think a forest fire or a shooting will change the way a country of 300 million people operates?

drowning in spam
(leaftye) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: Re Re Terror on 05/03/2012 22:10:51 MDT Print View

Now I will say that that might work in other countries. Take that fire in Russia that was fed by drained peat bogs.

Ben F
(tekhna) - F
Re: Re: Re Re Terror on 05/03/2012 22:40:30 MDT Print View

This is just funny. There's a better chance of an alcohol stove starting a forest fire than a terrorist.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: Re: Re Re Terror on 05/03/2012 22:46:10 MDT Print View

After this gets out, it's going to be a great time to be a nature-loving Arab in the USA.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: Terror on 05/03/2012 22:55:46 MDT Print View

The Japanese tried it during WWll. Fail, too wet. Everything old is new again.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
Re Terror on 05/03/2012 22:57:44 MDT Print View

I think it might be drier now....


...and I think bark beetles might be Al Qaida agents.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: Terror on 05/03/2012 23:31:35 MDT Print View

Some of the Japanese launched incendiary balloons were successful, but they didn't know it because US newspapers agreed to not report the fires. So the Japanese stopped with the incendiary balloons.

We, on the other hand, stopped our incendiary bat program when we burned down one of our own hangers.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re Re Terror on 05/04/2012 06:05:35 MDT Print View

"After this gets out, it's going to be a great time to be a nature-loving Arab in the USA."

That's what I thought too.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Setting fires in forests. on 05/04/2012 06:08:36 MDT Print View

I don't know, seems like we are pretty good at starting fires ourselves. Of all kinds.

Jim Colten
(jcolten)

Locale: MN
Re Terror on 05/04/2012 07:28:46 MDT Print View

"After this gets out, it's going to be a great time to be a nature-loving Arab in the USA."

That's what I thought too.


Seems to me that folks intent on profiling might want to read history ... where they'd discover that the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil have been promulgated by (gasp) White Males.

I avoid looking in mirrors due to the risk of scaring myself! Good thing that hanging out here has caused me to leave the mirror home when backpacking;-)

Craig Savage
(tremelo) - F

Locale: San Jacinto Mountains
Re: I worry more about on 05/04/2012 07:57:16 MDT Print View

"Meth manufacturers.

Besides, we've defeated al Qaeda. Gotta be true, 'cause our Prez announced it. From Afghanistan, yet. Personally, I think it's to justify ever more intrusive domestic surveillance measures and a long term presence in Afghanistan"


spot on, not to mention this new generation of outdoor/commercial pot growers. Both slices of the industry are rapidly growing in the number of "producers", next to impossible to ignore in my area

Walter Carrington
(Snowleopard) - M

Locale: Mass.
Tourists Settings Fires in the Forests? on 05/04/2012 08:01:35 MDT Print View

There are lots more tourists than terrorists. When they're in the woods or camping they always have campfires and they are NOT careful.

Andy F
(AndyF) - M
Re: Terrorists Settings Fires in the Forests? on 05/04/2012 08:09:07 MDT Print View

Any person or organization who seriously advocates using timed explosives to do something so simple is about as fearsome as college students building bottle bombs.

Erik Basil
(EBasil) - M

Locale: Atzlan
Tourists setting campfires on 05/04/2012 08:22:08 MDT Print View

No kidding. I just watched a youtube video of some guys camping summer of 2011 at Thousand Island Lake in the High Sierra, with a nice campfire. Man, that campfire looked nice ---but the whole area is a No Fire Zone and even in the wettest summer for years, was a freakin' tinderbox. If that had gone sideways, it could have been really, really bad.

One of the worst fires in San Diego, and California, history was started by a fat stoner that was "lost" a mile from the car and "lit a signal fire" during Santa Ana winds (dry, fast winds). If he'd just screamed "Jabba Jabba Jihad!" instead of, "Dude, I'm lost. Can I have a Twinkie?", it would have been one of the largest terrorist events in American history.

By the way, the stoner claimed to be a "hunter". Baloney, but he and his other stoner buddy did have .22's or something (and dope and...a lighter). I'm more worried about domestic "outdoor enthusiasts" than I am terrorists. Trees and bunnies don't send the message the haters are after.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
Fires on 05/04/2012 08:34:44 MDT Print View

They don't even have to do the deed. Just talk about it and they produce fear and probably
more rules and laws enacted. They sure have leveraged 9/11.