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Paul Luther
(eredluin) - M

Locale: Northeast
Bill on 07/02/2005 04:51:52 MDT Print View

I can't wait to see the finished product! Nicely done.
Thanks Bill,

Paul

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Bill and Jays "MYOG" Shop on 07/02/2005 06:25:11 MDT Print View

Bill and Jay after a long day in the workshop.
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paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Bill and Jays "MYOG" Shop on 07/02/2005 06:34:31 MDT Print View

Good one. i'm glad to see that your sense of humor is far more developed than my one.

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Sled/Pack for a winter CC Ski/Hike on 07/02/2005 08:27:58 MDT Print View

Hi Paul, Most things I make are very easy. I almost got in over my head on this one. A lot of "first" time things here. 1st Pack, 1st Sled etc. I had to take a step back and break it down into a lot of small bites. Then I was OK.

I can't wait to get to some snow and try it out. The runners will get a "2 inch attachable runner" if necessary made out of something called UHMWPE.
I hope to go up to Maine in Feb/Mar 2006 and play in the snow.

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Edited by bfornshell on 07/02/2005 08:29:22 MDT.

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Part 2 Cozy-Fosters Beer Can Cook Pot on 07/02/2005 13:04:39 MDT Print View

The Cozy for the Fosters Beer Can Cook Pot is finished. It took maybe 1 hour to complete and was very easy to make. The neoprene Cozy weighs 1.09oz.

I guess if I was cooking food in my Cook Pot or using it as a cup for a hot drink a Cozy would be worth the extra 1oz weight added to my Cook Kit.

Any comments on:
1- Cozy weight vs Fuel savings?
2 - Yes/No? Food Prep Efficiency?
3 - Is it worth the extra once and Why?

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Paul Luther
(eredluin) - M

Locale: Northeast
Fosters Cozy on 07/03/2005 12:54:28 MDT Print View

Bill. Thanks for the pics. I'll try to duplicate a cozy for an empty Fosters can. I'll admit that I consumed the contents. I do it for product development;)
On the subject of neoprene material: Do you use a two side nylon neoprene or just one side. I have a wetsuit, with sections of supple 1/16" neoprene, that has nylon on the inside and grippy rubber on the outside.
I wonder how this type of material will work for cozy?
Thanks, Paul

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Fosters Pot Cozy on 07/03/2005 13:38:37 MDT Print View

Hi Paul, I used the 1/4" all foam neoprene ($0.35 per inch- item #1303 at Quest Outfitters) vs the 2 something like you have on your wet suit. I can get that kind in red and black at 3mm/which I think is what your wet suit has ($0.99 per inch). I just went with the cheaper of the two.

The first neoprene cozy I made was a clone to what it looked like Snow Peak was using.

I need to empty my Foster cans and get a pot made to test with. Another Thread says the can is to flimsy to use as a cook pot. There is a reference to Rayn using a Fosters Beer Can Cook Pot and the web site showing how to make them. I would say treat it like any SUL piece of gear and you should be OK.

Paul Luther
(eredluin) - M

Locale: Northeast
Fosters cozy on 07/03/2005 17:45:10 MDT Print View

Hi Bill, Thanks for your advice. I plan on substituting th

Paul Luther
(eredluin) - M

Locale: Northeast
Fosters cozy on 07/03/2005 18:05:28 MDT Print View

Hi Bill, Thanks for your advice.
I'm going to the Winds in August, with a buddy, and we usually do corn pasta for dinner. We'll have a common 1.5ltr MSR Titan pot, with foil lid, for cooking corn pasta. I plan on using the Fosters with cozy as a substitute for a, slightly heavier?, SP 600ml "bowl" w/o cozy.
What do you think?
Paul

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Fosters as a Cook Pot on 07/03/2005 20:50:18 MDT Print View

Corn Pasta, I have a box of that. I have eaten a lot of it, mostly the elbow type. I need a good sauce with mine. Seems I read about using it in some book many years ago. I had always thought about grinding up the corn pasta and making corn muffins or a corn pasta based cookie bar out of it. I also use a lot of instant Oatmeal but the kind that has a lot of extra vitamins added to it.

How will you make your Fosters Cook Pot? On my first one I will just cut out the lid. I think that way would be stronger than cutting out the bottom and using it for the top of the pot. My can is the 25.4fl oz version so that would give me 751ml full. The Fosters can will give you more volume than the SP 600ml "bowl". I would test it before I go to the woods with it but I am sure a test is on your schedule.

Paul Luther
(eredluin) - M

Locale: Northeast
Re: Fosters as a Cook Pot on 07/04/2005 11:55:30 MDT Print View

Hi Bill, Corn pasta. I got the idea from a Ray Jardine book. Corn Pasta keeps me on my feet better than regular pasta. I believe Ray calls it "a power food". Although I've never done a side by side comparision, it seems to take longer to cook than regular elbows.
Your right about needing a good sauce. I just gag on the stuff without a sauce,or butter/parmesan cheese, etc. I typically use approx. 4oz dry for a meal within a 25oz/day food weight. Your idea about a corn muffin energy "cake" is a good one. Maybe we should all eat Lembas!(LOTR):)

I'll use the 25.4fl oz.Fosters can as my "bowl". I cut off the very top and folded over the edge, inside, to prevent cuts. The cozy will be made per your pictures. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Fosters/cozy lighter than the SP 600ml cup.
Have a great Fourth.
Paul

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Fosters Can as a Cook Pot on 07/04/2005 12:59:37 MDT Print View

Ditto on the Corn Pasta idea. I have Ray's PCT Book but have to say that by the time I tore all the pages out that I didn't need (being polite) only about half was left. I did enjoy the part that was left.

I had never been able to "stay with" TLOR's books so I never read them. Just before the first Book (movie) was about to come out I bought the unabridged version on CD. Then I bought the Hobbit on CD to get more of the background. I now have all three LOTR and the Hobbit on unabridged CD. They are great and I have listened to all 4 books about 12 times. I play them while I am working so I do have a life, sort of.

Anyway the idea of the Lembas generated a few recipts after the movie came out. I have three different Lembas recipes and one for Beorn's Honey Nut Cake. I haven't made any of them yet. My idea was to make something like them to eat for breakfast and a couple times a day while on a long distance hike.

The question reference to the weight of the SP 600 cup is answered in Ryan's article: "SuperUltraLight: Breaking the Five-Pound Barrier" He list the SP 600ml cup as part of his "Kitchen" kit. SP 600ml - 2.8oz w/foil lid at 0.05oz.

So yes, the Fosters Beer Can Cook Pot at 0.85oz plus the cozy at 1.09oz or a total of 1.94oz is lighter by 0.86oz than the 600ml cup.

That said my "Luxury Kitchen" is a shade under 2 pounds.
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paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Fosters Can as a Cook Pot on 07/04/2005 18:37:09 MDT Print View

Bill,

you wrote: "I have Ray's PCT Book but have to say that by the time I tore all the pages out that I didn't need (being polite) only about half was left. I did enjoy the part that was left."

Some amazing escapades RJ's been on. I'm just reading RJ's Beyond Backpacking book now. Some parts are pretty good (that Grandma Gatewood - she was something; would've like to meet her).

What i want to know is can a person really say what you're saying and not be committing L/UL blasphemy? Is thinking it even 'ok'? Are there others who feel the same way as you? I've gotten the impression from things that i've read, that RJ's word is pretty much viewed as gospel. Any thoughts on these thoughts?

If you/anyone care(s) to ans. me, another thread (in Chaff???) might be a better venue. However, having said that, i'm hoping that no one will respond & "trash" RJ there ("flame" - is that the 'chat' lingo for it???). That's NOT the kind of response i'm looking for. Disagree with him & educate me - yes. Trash him - NO!!!

Since I'm pretty new to L/UL any info on anything in his book that is considered specious (and why) would be helpful to me.

For example, i did find his comments on sternum straps rather interesting, but not applicable to me, since from childhood i was taught (in Tai Ji Quan & other martial arts training) various ways to breathe deep into the abdomen w/o expanding the chest ("babies' breath" as some buddhists & taoists call it). I still do this now - all day long. It's second nature for me. If you've never heard of it, i know it sounds funny (i.e. deep abdominal breathing). It has some interesting (amazing?) benefits - especially to the athelete.

Paul Luther
(eredluin) - M

Locale: Northeast
Re: Fosters Can as a Cook Pot on 07/04/2005 18:49:33 MDT Print View

Nice kitchen Bill. Your the chef, and I promise to do the dishes!
I will admit that I'm a LOTR addict. I have a set of paperbacks, incuding the Hobbit, that are 15+ years old. Although they are falling apart, I still read them.
I never read Ray's PCT book, so I didn't have the opportunity of using most pages as TP!
I have done several backcountry trips w/o stove and related debris. I rather enjoyed the freedom of no cooking, and not to mention the weight savings.
My "Lembas" usually is a batch sourced from an old recipe that is much altered from the original. The recipe is from a small book titled "The New healthy Trail Food Book" by Dorcas S. Miller, revised edition. I have the second edition from 1981. I don't know if the book is in print. Dorcas called her recipe "Logan Bread" on page 36. My altered recipe usually is baked in 4 9x9 pans.
I can live off this stuff. It's cheaper and tastier than OTC bought food. Finding the time to make it is tough.
I will tell you that baking in muffin pans did not occure to me. Thanks for the tip.
I'll have to find my recipe. Then we can compare recipes.
Paul

Chugiak Mountain Gear
(chugiakmtngear) - F
Re: SUL G6 Clone for an AT Thru-Hike on 07/06/2005 19:44:13 MDT Print View

Where do you order your fabric from? Is that (on the pack) spinnaker material ? The pack looks great. Thanks

Edited by chugiakmtngear on 07/06/2005 19:45:30 MDT.

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
SUL Sterno Can Cook Pot- 0.38oz on 07/08/2005 18:31:01 MDT Print View

I started out with a 200g can of Sterno. Some cans say 198g but the cans seem to be the same size. The can is about 2" tall and almost 3.25" wide. I have placed a black mark inside the SUL Sterno Can Cook Pot to show the 8oz fill line. The cook pot weighs .38oz. If you can get by with a cook pot that only heats 8oz of water at a time this is about as light as you can get. The pictures show the cook pot sitting on one of my Brasslite stoves but I think I would use this cook pot with the Esbit tablets. If my hiking goal was to be as light as possible I think I would support the cook pot with a few rocks but carry a Aluminum Foil windscreen. The windscreen weighs 0.22oz.
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Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
SUL Poncho-2.81oz/Tarp-4.99oz on 07/12/2005 13:30:23 MDT Print View

I have finished my first SUL Cuben Poncho/Tarp. It is 48" wide (that is how wide the Cuben fabric is) and 90" long. If I made another one I could keep the weight under 2oz if it was a Poncho only. The extra reinforcement necessary to turn it into a tarp added about 1oz to the weight.

The 2.81oz weight is for the Poncho mode only. In the Tarp mode it is necessary to add guy lines and stakes. 6 Vargo - Ti Shepherd's Hook UltraLight Stakes at .20oz each would add 1.2oz. 50 foot of AirCore Pro guyline and 6 tensioners would add another .98oz. This would give me a total weight when used as a Tarp of 4.99oz.

I plan to pitch the Tarp in different ways to see if it is big enough for my use. It sure looks small.

My plans are to do a short part of my Thru-Hike SUL and see how it works. The weather will play a big part in when I try it but it should be interesting to see what under 5 pounds would be like from Springer Mt. to Fontana Dam or so. Ideally it would be nice to start SUL and go that way as long as the weather didn't get crazy. As the weather gets warmer SUL should get easier.

As each piece of my gear gets lighter and lighter 5 pounds is starting to look like a lot of weight play with. Smart selection and layering of my clothing, even watching the weight, should allow me to stay warm for short periods of colder weather.

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Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
super light weight on 07/12/2005 15:15:53 MDT Print View

the cat was a nice touch. they gotta always get into everything!!! nice poncho/tarp. I am jealous!!

Richard Nelridge
(naturephoto1) - M

Locale: Eastern Pennsylvania
super light weight on 07/12/2005 15:24:24 MDT Print View

Just wondering if the cat is part of the make your own SUL gear?

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
supper lightweight on 07/12/2005 16:12:11 MDT Print View

great detail on your products. I am very impressed.