Material for Primaloft quilting
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Aldis Behmanis
(alfs29) - F
Material for Primaloft quilting on 04/20/2012 11:28:32 MDT Print View

Hello,
I have read tons of materials but could not get a clear view what material do i have to choose to make Primaloft quilt.
I understand that Pertex Quantum is a good stuff but i have my needs:
1) This quilt will button in for my hunting clothing and therefore i cannot accept any nylon style noises. Jacket and pant will be made from (listing outside to inside) Polartec WindPro + Classic 300 + Primaloft One 5oz quilt when needed.
2) As it goes next to my base layer it should not block perspiration to escape and dry fast.

So if put together in short words - Quiet, breathable, dawn proof as required by Primaloft.

Maybe Ti Goat 7D or 8D? aren't those noisy?

Guys, please help .... :(

Edited by alfs29 on 04/20/2012 11:31:12 MDT.

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Material for Primaloft quilting on 04/20/2012 11:45:25 MDT Print View

Why do you want to use Primaloft rather than Climashield Apex?

Ozzy McKinney
(PorcupinePhobia) - F

Locale: PNW
7d on 04/20/2012 19:46:33 MDT Print View

I'm sure sure I totally understand the application, but I can tell you 7d is in no way noisy. A really cool material.

would silks work? cheap and quiet.

will sawyer
(wjsawyer) - F

Locale: Connecticut
Re: 7d on 04/21/2012 07:52:11 MDT Print View

again, I am a bit confused as to how you will be using this. That being said, I recently finished a quilt out of Primaloft One and 4.5mm habotai silk and it is silent. If I were making any kind of garment this is the fabric that I would want in it.

Aldis Behmanis
(alfs29) - F
Re: Re: Material for Primaloft quilting on 04/22/2012 15:36:28 MDT Print View

David, I choose or considering Primaloft One over Climashield Apex because of higher CLO 0.92 vs 0.82 and Primaloft One being thinner that Climashiels Apex. Thickness is not important for sleeping bags, but i cannot move around during hunting like fat snowman :)
But from what i have read then Climashield is much easier to work with ... that is a point worth considering also.

Aldis Behmanis
(alfs29) - F
Re: Re: 7d on 04/22/2012 16:06:36 MDT Print View

Will, Ozzy
I have no experience working with (using) silk in terms of how it performs. How fast does it dry? How good it breathes when it's in down proof thickness/density? Doesn't silk when wet give you damp feeling? What i mean i doesn't it feel like wet cotton t-shirt sticking to your skin etc .... yuck ?

So, what will it be? Silk? (what silk exactly), SevenD (100% nylon and not noisy???? i'm worried) ? Coolmax liner? Something else?


http://www.titaniumgoat.com/SevenD.html
https://www.fabricline.com/searchResults.php?a=1&keywordSearch=coolmax

Edited by alfs29 on 04/22/2012 16:47:12 MDT.

Aldis Behmanis
(alfs29) - F
Re: Re: Re: 7d on 04/24/2012 13:53:54 MDT Print View

Common guys .... help me please

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: 7d on 04/24/2012 16:25:50 MDT Print View

I used 8D for sleeping bag liner - very comfortable - quiet - cheap - almost as lightweight as 7D.

I think your logic about One being lighter for the same warmth is correct - but it'll just save less than an ounce so maybe it's not that important. If it requires more quilting, and where the quilting is it will be thinner so less warmth, so you will lose some of the warmth advantage.

Maybe you could ignore the quilting requirement. I have a small amount of One and the fibers go mostly in one direction, along the roll of insulation. So you could have the fibers running down from the top of the vest. There wouldn't be a lot of force pulling the fibers sideways in their weak direction.

But, maybe why screw with it - just use Apex even if your finished vest weighs 1/2 extra ounce.

Aldis Behmanis
(alfs29) - F
Re: Re: 7d on 04/24/2012 16:55:41 MDT Print View

Ok, lets say i will go with Apex. What lener material is best to choose? What about silk? Is it really breathable and does it dry fast? Maybe i should choose something else? Polartec PowerDry for example?

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Re: 7d on 04/24/2012 17:47:17 MDT Print View

I listed some of the pros & cons of silk and 7d/8d IMO. Personally, I would go with 7d if you can afford it, if not 8d.

4.5mm-5mm silk
- is very breathable and light
- not as durable as 7d/8d
- dries fast
- cheap

7d/8d
- not as breathable as the above, but no slouch. 8d more breathable than 7d.
- 8d not quite as cheap as silk, 7d much more expensive
- feels much better on the skin(important for the liner in a quilt)


Ryan

Edited by ViolentGreen on 04/24/2012 17:48:19 MDT.

Aldis Behmanis
(alfs29) - F
Re: Re: Re: Re: 7d on 04/25/2012 16:11:05 MDT Print View

Ryan, what do you think about noise each of those materials make? Will 7d be quiet as fleece fabric or silk?
And will 4.5-5mm silk be down proof? Primaloft requires lining to be down proof. My guess is that during machine washing individual fibers might start to go through liner if it is not dense enough.

Which material feels better to skin? 7d better than silk?
Why would you choose 7d over 8d? I didnt get your point, sorry for beeing such annoying noob ;)

Aldis Behmanis
(alfs29) - F
Re on 04/27/2012 23:51:11 MDT Print View

Guys please post more considerations and personal expierience. Thanks ;)