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New Gossamer Gear Kumo pack Dyneema X
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K C
(KalebC) - F

Locale: South West
New Gossamer Gear Kumo pack Dyneema G on 04/06/2012 18:36:54 MDT Print View

http://gossamergear.com/packs/backpacks/kumo-superlight-backpack.html
Smaller and heavier than my MYOG pack, but looks cool!

Edit: Dyneema G ?

Edited by KalebC on 04/06/2012 19:13:07 MDT.

Chris Calpin
(Adrnlnjnke)

Locale: N.E.
Kumo on 04/06/2012 19:00:25 MDT Print View

Does look pretty cool. I'm just wondering how that top zipped pocket will work. Seems like you lose space once you fold it over.must only hold small items, first aid or snacks or something.

Stephan Doyle
(StephanCal)
Re: New Gossamer Gear Kumo pack Dyneema G on 04/06/2012 19:55:29 MDT Print View

It's a heavier-duty Murmur. An extra $25 gets you 6 ounces - more durability, more comfort, and a couple little features.

GG's pack line needed a makeover, and while I don't think these are standout packs, they're surely competitive in the 2012 marketplace. Good on them for keeping up while continuing to offer core features and little helpful touches to their gear. Unfortunately, though, they've lost the "affordability" that also was one of their hallmarks.

Jace Mullen
(climberslacker) - F

Locale: Your guess is as good as mine.
New GG Pack. on 04/06/2012 20:23:54 MDT Print View

Wow, the Murmur used to be, what? $80?

I wish they would keep the old with the new, but thats asking for far too much.

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F - M

Locale: NW Montana
Re: New GG Pack. on 04/06/2012 20:44:47 MDT Print View

I like everything about it except the top zipper and the price.

Aaron Croft
(aaronufl) - M

Locale: Alaska
Price on 04/06/2012 21:31:57 MDT Print View

Indeed. It seems like a sweet pack, but at that price you could pick up a Burn.

Or hey, save some money and pick up a Jam 35 for 99 buckaroos.

Kiyoshi Young
(kiloloop)
Nice on 04/06/2012 23:36:40 MDT Print View

Both this and the new murmur look really nice but what I'm really hoping for is a redesigned Gorilla made with the new dyneema, flap top and new shoulder straps. That for me would be an almost perfect desert pack.

joe newton
(holdfast)

Locale: Bergen, Norway
Re: Nice on 04/06/2012 23:43:31 MDT Print View

Kiyoshi,

Your wishes for the new Gorilla have been granted! Phil Turner, a Gossamer Gear Trail Ambassador based in Scotland is testing one right now. Look for it to be released to the public soon.

Scott Simcox
(Simco) - F

Locale: Nashville
Re: New Gossamer Gear Kumo pack Dyneema G on 04/07/2012 00:24:59 MDT Print View

My MYOG is bigger and lighter, too.
But this looks WAY better. I'm sure they could shave off a few ounces if you get rid of a lot of the straps and cords.

Aaron Croft
(aaronufl) - M

Locale: Alaska
New Gorilla? on 04/07/2012 12:20:00 MDT Print View

A new Gorilla you say? I'm intrigued, Joe. Tell me more...

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
New Gorrila on 04/07/2012 13:54:53 MDT Print View

https://twitter.com/#!/PhilOutdoors/status/182144450137563136/photo/1
http://yfrog.com/h4lfhsfj
https://twitter.com/#!/PhilOutdoors/status/182154725616128000/photo/1

My understanding is that the shoulder straps are completely re-designed.

Javan Dempsey
(jdempsey)

Locale: The-Stateless-Society
Re: New Gossamer Gear Kumo pack Dyneema G on 04/07/2012 18:48:54 MDT Print View

I like it, very refined aesthetic, cool features. My biggest and continuing gripe with the GG pack is the shoulder strap design, I.e. the straight across, sewn into the seam design, and I can't help but feel that its a compromise based on build simplicity.

Shoulder straps need angle IMHO, otherwise they're painful. I loved the dimensions and features of the Gorilla when I had one years back, but it was always causing me neck anf back pain regardless of the loads.

I would buy this new Kumo pack if it had angled shoulder straps that were reasonably spaced apart. That's my money where my mouth is.

Here's hoping the new gorilla straps are better, and that the features filter down.

edit: changed "size" to "dimensions" for clarity.

Edited by jdempsey on 04/07/2012 18:50:09 MDT.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
+1 on 04/07/2012 19:40:27 MDT Print View

Javan, I'm completely with you. I absolutely hate sewn across strap construction. To me, it's a sign of laziness/cost-efficiency, and detracts a very considerable amount from carry-comfort. Honestly, manufactures need to cut corners elsewhere. Although many people didn't complain, or actually enjoyed them, I found that the Mariposa/Gorilla straps were terrible in comfort and design. Glad that GG is using anatomically correct straps now. Hopefully, they are angled at the connection point as well.

Edited by Konrad1013 on 04/07/2012 20:02:10 MDT.

K C
(KalebC) - F

Locale: South West
RE: R&D on 04/07/2012 20:11:03 MDT Print View

+2 on the lack of R&D. GG, ever heard of the upper trapezius muscle?

Edit: They could be angled, doesn't really look like it, too bad I can't check one out in any retail store to find out.

Edited by KalebC on 04/07/2012 20:15:16 MDT.

Ceph Lotus
(Cephalotus) - MLife

Locale: California
The Big Ape on 04/07/2012 21:40:43 MDT Print View

I was talking with Gossamer Gear last fall, and they mentioned they were working on a new Gorilla which would be the size of the Mariposa. They were going to call it the "Big Ape".

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Shoulder Straps and Hipbelts on 04/07/2012 22:57:44 MDT Print View

I don't mind the sewn straight across design all that much. I've had packs with and without it and I never felt it was a huge deal. Now I may be different because I insist on a hipbelt that actually takes weight off my shoulders. I never liked carrying much weight directly on my shoulders.

Here's my gripe. I want a better hipbelt. I feel like a lot of UL hipbest do a poor job of transfering weight to the hipbs. I think a Maraposa made of Dyneema X with a better hipbelt would be a winner.

Edward Jursek
(nedjursek@gmail.com) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
"Take Less. Pay More" on 04/07/2012 22:58:48 MDT Print View

As an owner of a G4 and an older Murmur, and a GG fan, I am watching the prices of GG rise steeply with some dismay. I also find the design of the new Murmur and this new Kumo more gimmicky. GG is getting more expensive, less attractive and a bit heavier. I am not saying they have jumped the shark and gone all Golite on us, but I like clean, light weight minimalist gear, without weird zippered lid pockets and angled mesh. Their product lines, especially the packs and shelters, looks muddled. Who is buying their discounted day pack? Or their heavy bear bag set-up? I just ordered an X2 pack from William at Altered Ego with similar specs to the Kumo that promises to be 4oz lighter, simpler and cleaner, and costs $60 less. I would have also gone for a Zpacks Zero with a few additions or a much cheaper MLD Newt before this new Kumo.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re Take Less Pay More on 04/07/2012 23:55:49 MDT Print View

I don't think its a bad looking pack but the market for sub 1 pound frameless packs seems kind crowded right now so I don't think this pack will be a cash cow for GG. On the other hand I imagine the cost of bringing it to market was relatively small.

I think GG should concentrate on improving packs like the Gorilla and Maraposa. Lots of comapanies make light frameless packs. Not as many make packs like the Gorilla or Maraposa. I think with some improvements (mostly to the hipbelt) these packs could carry weight a bit better and be real winners.

Kiyoshi Young
(kiloloop)
Re: New Gorrila on 04/08/2012 07:45:30 MDT Print View

Awesome, now I just have to wait to get one

Edited by kiloloop on 04/08/2012 08:13:41 MDT.

Marcus Strohm
(afterburner2020)

Locale: SE Texas
2012 Gorilla on 04/08/2012 18:52:45 MDT Print View

http://gossamergear.com/gorilla-2012-ultralight-backpack.html

Wonder if the current Gorilla will get discounted...

Edited by afterburner2020 on 04/08/2012 18:55:36 MDT.