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German Tourist
(GermanTourist) - F

Locale: in my tent
Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/22/2012 03:05:33 MDT Print View

For an upcoming 2 months long winter trip in the Southern Appalachians I am looking for the warmest synthetic quilt available. Right now it seems to me that the warmest option is an Enlightened Prodigy quilt rated down to 15 F.

There aren't too many other synthetic quilt options and other manufacturers like MLD or Arrowhead only offer colder quilts down to 28/30 F.

Are there any warmer synthetic quilts on the market rated lower than 15 F?

Does anyone have experience with a Enlightened Prodigy 15 F?

Enlightened (like all the other cottage manufacturers does not offer an EN rating) so I wonder how reliable the rating is. I already own a BPL 240 quilt and I was surprised how warm it is - much better than I expected.

Thanks for any input,
Christine

Ty Ty
(TylerD)

Locale: SE US
Re: Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/22/2012 07:11:12 MDT Print View

My bet is that Tim's rating is more accurate than the EN rating to start with and on top of that he will take your phone call or email and discuss the rating with you, ask you questions about how you sleep and give you guidance on how the quilt will work for you.

Plus, Enlightened's quilts are custom made, if you want one warmer he can probably make it for you.

Ben Crocker
(alexdrewreed) - M

Locale: Kentucky
Quilt in Southern Appalachia on 03/22/2012 09:01:06 MDT Print View

I can't imagine you would need anything warmer than that in southern Appalachia later than now. I just got back from a 3 night trip at some high camps in the Smokies with a 30 degree bag and it was more than enough. I don't think its likely to get a lot colder than 30 the rest of this spring.

German Tourist
(GermanTourist) - F

Locale: in my tent
Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/22/2012 09:42:00 MDT Print View

Ben, I am thinking of a winter trip in January/February 2013, not a spring trip this year. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Ty Ty, I have already contacted Tim Marshall, but he has not offered a warmer insulation or any other alterations for my purposes. Before ordering the Prodigy I just want to make sure that there really isn't a warmer quilt on the market.

John Harper
(johnnyh88) - M

Locale: PNW
Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/22/2012 09:50:04 MDT Print View

I think the only synthetic quilt warmer than the Prodigy would be the Enlightened Equipment Epiphany Apex (due to the VBL effect). I would think APEX could be sandwiched together though to make the bag warmer. Maybe a layer of 8oz APEX with a layer of 4 oz APEX sandwiched between nylon would get you an extra 10 degrees?

Ben Crocker
(alexdrewreed) - M

Locale: Kentucky
Winter bag on 03/22/2012 10:11:22 MDT Print View

Sorry GT. I am thinking about doing a bit in the SE this coming winter too. Sounds fun.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Winter bag on 03/22/2012 10:16:29 MDT Print View

you want warmer, i got warmer.

I can offer a layer of 6oz + a layer of 4oz(10oz) or 2 layers of 6oz(12oz) (i did one of these earlier this year and it is warm, bulky as hell, but warm)or two 4oz and a 6oz (14oz total) or 3 6oz (18oz total) if you can add the numbers 4 and 6 together to make the combination you want we can make it. no guarantee there is a box big enough to ship it but we can make it. new 8d nylon offered soon could save 1 oz as liner on this beast.

-Tim

Edited by MarshLaw303 on 03/22/2012 10:21:20 MDT.

German Tourist
(GermanTourist) - F

Locale: in my tent
Enlightened Prodigy on 03/22/2012 13:08:26 MDT Print View

Tim, thank you so much for your offer. I will send you an email to your business address regarding the customizing.
Christine

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Enlightened Prodigy on 03/22/2012 13:15:36 MDT Print View

Sounds good

I still want to paddle it out when you get here. Share a meal by the fire too if you're up for it.

-Tim

Edited by MarshLaw303 on 03/22/2012 15:55:30 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Enlightened Prodigy on 03/22/2012 15:54:19 MDT Print View

All this talk and I think I am going to order one.

..and about to break my New Years Resolution.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/22/2012 16:04:33 MDT Print View

You and me both David. I think you're an enabler. Hey, I have to blame someone.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/22/2012 16:13:05 MDT Print View

I guess if I have to be something, it's not so bad to be an enabler...a GEAR enabler, of course.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/22/2012 16:14:59 MDT Print View

At enlightened equipment we do t have trail ambassadors just gear enablers.

-Tim

Brad Walker
(brawa)

Locale: SoCal
Re on 03/22/2012 17:20:54 MDT Print View

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=50331

You could ask Huzefa about how his 2x 6oz apex quilt worked out.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/22/2012 21:16:47 MDT Print View

The ultimate Gear Enabler has just helped himself by ordering a quilt from Tim.

Okay Joe, what's your excuse?

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy on 03/23/2012 00:19:21 MDT Print View

Can't bring myself to do synthetic. I need about a 50 degree down quilt. Maybe 60. That's probably just called a sheet though.

German Tourist
(GermanTourist) - F

Locale: in my tent
Warmest synthetic quilt available: Enlightened Prodigy? on 03/23/2012 02:07:02 MDT Print View

Brad, thank you for the reference to Huzefa. I have done a lot of research on BPL but I had not encountered that thread. I'll drop him a PM.
Christine

Susan Papuga
(veganaloha) - M

Locale: USA
UL warm synthetic quilt on 03/23/2012 03:18:53 MDT Print View

Christine,

I would recommend looking more closely at how cold it will actually be at your destination in the months for your trip and then buy the temp rating you need for the average or predominant temp, (also taking into consideration future trips you have in mind).

The warmer the quilt, the heavier it is. So, IMHO it would be more versitile and lighter to have the quilt you need and just use some lightweight capilenes (or similar longies) to sleep in on the few nights when it's colder.

Otherwise if you buy a warmer qulit than you actually need, it's always more weight that you're carrying, when you don't need to do so.

Cheers,
Susan

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Re: Re: Winter bag on 03/23/2012 10:39:03 MDT Print View

First a suggestion:
I saw an example of this on another forum. Someone built their own quilt with a full length zipper down one of the sides to allow insertion or removal or extra insulation layers. Presumably you could swap a 4oz out for a 6oz or combine the two together for colder trips. Again this is not my personal experience, so I can't say how effective this is. Someone else might be able to weigh in.

Second is a question:
Is there a difference in durability between the 4oz and 6oz insulation layers? I assume the 6oz layer is thicker than the 4oz. Is the degredation of it's loft accelerated over time as compared to the thinner 4oz pieces? Does one compress better than the other? And lastly if you were building a 12oz layer, would you opt for three 4oz layers or two 6oz layers to make it? And why?

Thanks