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Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re White rice is killing you on 03/16/2012 17:57:16 MDT Print View

"That Asians eat mostly meats and veggies. Rice is a side dish unless you are poor. Even then, rice is a new modern food staple for the poor, traditionally it was millet and barley."

Asians have been growing and eating rice for over 2000 years, and it is the largest protion of anything on their plate, thali, or whatever utensil they use. It most definitely is NOT a side dish.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: White rice is killing you on 03/16/2012 18:03:00 MDT Print View

"But the media and government don't want to badmouth the multi trillion dollar junk food industry"

We have the "best government money can buy"

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re White rice is killing you on 03/16/2012 18:06:49 MDT Print View

I remember reading they grew rice for the upper classes not for them selves. I need to find it again. The amount may differ country to country, but the fact remains they eat a LOT less sugars and processed food ( thats changing ) and since their diet is full of good meats,fats,and veggies the rice is not going to undermine that especially since rice is not really much of a problem health wise anyway.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Wild Rices on 03/16/2012 18:12:40 MDT Print View

Okay so sarcasm aside I didn't realize what was taken out of White Rice. Personally I don't like the stuff unless its mixed with enough meat and vegatables. Wild rice on the other hand is amazing. I don't know how mom cooked it but it was good.

In all seriousness what foods are totally non-controversial? Could you make a realistic diet out of foods that vegatarians, Paleo diet folks, and everyone in between would agree was okay? I'm guessing it would be lots of veggies, nuts and a few fruits?

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
Re: Wild Rices on 03/16/2012 18:21:21 MDT Print View

Here it is:
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/06/in-search-of-traditional-asian-diets.html

"In all seriousness what foods are totally non-controversial?"

No such thing, but you may try a diet of fish, eggs, oysters, coconut oils, ghee, root vegetables, green leafy vegetables and ...some white rice. Also you may add in some cheese and whole cream. All of it should be local and organic of coarse.

John Nausieda
(Meander) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re White rice is killing you on 03/16/2012 18:21:56 MDT Print View

Tom you are right about the centrality of rice to at least the Chinese. In fact , it is common to politely greet someone with the question "Have you had rice?". And I remember a woman in Weifang which is a bit remote remarking to us after we ordered Kung Pao Chicken six years ago -" We don't eat alot of meat around here". But when we were in Shanghai around Christmas looking for a Western bathroom near the train station we discovered that there were six McDonalds all within about 200 feet of each other.Things do change.

Edited by Meander on 03/16/2012 18:24:16 MDT.

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re White rice is killing you on 03/16/2012 18:56:43 MDT Print View

First red meat now white rice. What is the obsession with death foods? Next are sugar beets. Nothing worse that being hit by a truck carrying a load of sugar beets in the Thumb. Deer kill a lot of people too.

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
the media is killing you on 03/16/2012 19:07:42 MDT Print View

The media know the population is sick and unhealthy. They know they can make money selling ad time if they declare food xyz to be deadly or a miracle cure. The trick is it has to be a generalized traditional food and not a store brand. If they declare a miracle cure food a business can spring up selling supplements. Those businesses in turn can buy ad space. If they declare some traditional food as deadly special interests groups will promote it tirelessly ( free publicity ) and readership will rise. So once again as in everything in life you only need to follow the money.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re White rice is killing you on 03/16/2012 19:54:10 MDT Print View

"I remember reading they grew rice for the upper classes not for them selves. I need to find it again."

Where rice is grown, everybody eats it. However, it gets a little more complicated than my original statement, because in the drier regions of Asia, wheat based carbohydrates predominate, with rice playing a secondary role. The opposite also holds true, ie where rice predominates wheat based carb dishes are also eaten.

"The amount may differ country to country, but the fact remains they eat a LOT less sugars and processed food ( thats changing ) and since their diet is full of good meats,fats,and veggies the rice is not going to undermine that especially since rice is not really much of a problem health wise anyway."

100% agree.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Wild Rices on 03/16/2012 19:55:50 MDT Print View

"In all seriousness what foods are totally non-controversial?"

Apple pie?

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re White rice is killing you on 03/16/2012 20:05:22 MDT Print View

"Tom you are right about the centrality of rice to at least the Chinese. "

And also Southern India, Bangladesh, West Bengal, Orissa, and the smaller states of Northeast India, Indonesia, all of SE Asia, The Philippines, Japan, and Korea.

"In fact , it is common to politely greet someone with the question "Have you had rice?".

That applies to Thailand and Cambodia as well, that I know of.

"Things do change."

Indeed they do. McDonalds has even gotten its foot in the door in India, although they had to switch from beef for their burgers.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
BPL is killing you. on 03/16/2012 20:09:53 MDT Print View

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/981603/workers-glued-to-computer-face-serious-health-risk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_addiction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_addiction_disorder

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: BPL is killing you. on 03/16/2012 20:12:44 MDT Print View

ROTFL! Leave it to Craig to inject a note of levity at just the right time. ;)

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: If you want actual tasty brown rice, follow this on 03/16/2012 21:36:02 MDT Print View

I hated brown rice until I found Alton Brown's method. Now we eat nearly all brown - and I was always a white rice fan ;-)

2 1/2 cups boiling water
1 1/2 cups long grain brown rice
1/4 tsp salt
1 Tbsp EVOO, if desired

Preheat oven to 375. Add everything to an 8x8" glass baking dish, cover tightly with foil. Bake for 1 hour. Fluff up and serve.

Serves 3-4.

It is simply great!!

Jeanine Taylor
(jetaylor) - F

Locale: Oregon
Re: Re: If you want actual tasty brown rice, follow this on 03/17/2012 14:14:14 MDT Print View

I had to google EVOO.
Extra virgin olive oil.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: If you want actual tasty brown rice, follow this on 03/17/2012 15:09:19 MDT Print View

+1 to Alton Brown - entertaining and educational

He looks too skinny though, I hope he doesn't have some health problem.

drowning in spam
(leaftye) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: White rice is killing you on 03/17/2012 18:22:48 MDT Print View

It's glycemic index. That's simple enough. If white rice were particularly evil, I would have contracted type 2 diabetes as a teenager when I'd have heaping plates of short grain white rice every day. I love the stuff. Love it. I'm not as crazy about the newer longer grained less sticky white rice that's usually found on store shelves.

j p
(johnnythunder) - F
with regards to white rice in korea on 03/18/2012 08:44:27 MDT Print View

i can only comment on my experience eating with korean children and adults in my elementary school and other social settings.

speaking specifically about korea, this issue is too complex to be tied exclusively to one food item. a number of things lead to the growing epidemic of obesity and poor diet which i observe among the children i teach. but i would definitely consider the amount of white rice to be a major reason behind this along with such factors as an almost universal use of baby formula during the first few days after birth, the recent introduction of western-style eating and junk food, and a general increase in portion sizes of all meals. oh, and computer games are a professional sport complete with amateur feeder leagues and private institutes hell bent on turning your child into the bobby fischer of starcraft.

koreans eat rice as third or final course. they tend to not view a meal as complete until they've eaten their bowl of rice and will often consume meat and sauteed or fermented vegetables before rice. this is probably the main cause behind korea having the highest rate of stomach cancer in developed nations (but that's another egg to scramble). so, since they're eating the rice as part of a complete meal i don't necessarily see how the rice's glycemic index would overpower that of the meat and high-fiber vegetables. maybe i'm wrong but that's just how i view it.

what i think is at play here is that people are getting diabetes in higher proportion because they eat a less balanced diet. if you add more simple carbs in the form of rice you're probably eliminating a lot of the slow burning energy one might find in protein and vegetables. in korea produce and meat is ridiculously expensive by western standards. so families with kids are going to be more likely to look to the cheap calories in rice to provide most of the sustenance for their children.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: with regards to white rice in korea on 03/18/2012 09:10:16 MDT Print View

If formula was the reason behind obesity all my kids would be fat, they are not. I know many try to tie it in but I have seen just as many porker babies who were breast fed as I have tubby bottle fed babies.

j p
(johnnythunder) - F
rere korea on 03/18/2012 10:01:02 MDT Print View

right. i don't think that necessarily one thing is the prime cause here. you were probably given very specific information from your doctor on how to regulate the proper caloric intake for your children and that, more than the type of sustenance they were receiving, lead to their proper health. round here that information is far less common and/or understood. hungry baby=fed baby. mix as directed by the label. end result can be an overweight toddler.

in korea (and many of the other developing asian nations. read: those not called japan) the knowledge of modern advances in medicine hasn't caught yet up with the actual advanced medicine available. so there's this "wisdom" in korea that if one of something is good then 3 of something would be better.

for example: i get respiratory illness here because of the yellow dust and increased air pollution (and also probably b/c i hang out with 1200 booger miners for 40 hours a week). my "normal" treatment in korea has been upwards of 20 pills a day...until i eventually walked into the doctor and demanded the inhaler and prednisone which had worked for me in the past.

anyway, that's all a long winded explaination in which i basically wanted to say that your children are probably more healthy by virtue of you being a conscientious and informed parent in a society where individuals are empowered to make their own health choices than any one food decision you could make for them. and that the formula example was meant to illustrate that new technology used the wrong way can have a negative outcome (which is at least what i've observed in my time with korean children).