Thanks for the feedback guys! And sorry about the pretty-much-double post. I'm wanting to use this for 3 season use [with the outer seasons I would take an MS225J bag [20'F/-5'C], weight of 1800g], including some alpine terrains, rain and temps to -5'C. At the most I'd be taking a thermal top, some long socks, and a poncho as weather-gear for spring and autumn. If it really closed in I'd just set up my tarp in the arrowhead form and cook tea early! And yes, I'm from Australia :P
Now, a lighter stove isnt on the cards at the moment because of cost reasons, and I do not wanting to join the 'semi-disposable' crowd and use lightweight improvised items. I just want gear that will work no matter what. Being able to be crushed flat defintely rules it out as an inclusion in my books. No offence - its just my viewpoint, I have nothing against them other than the durability. One option I'm considering is the Mini Trangia - 320g including pot, frying pan, handle, pot stand, and burner! I've also heard good things about the Coleman F1 firestorm
For the same reasons stated above, theres no way I'm using a beer can pot. Not to mention I'm 6'2"/180lb and want a decent hot meal after a long day hiking [a '4 serve side-dish' freeze-dried satay rice pack from the local supermarket mixed with a small can of john west lemon pepper tuna is a favorite of mine]. A 375ml pot rules that out. Again, it may be a good option for some, but I just don't think it'd work too well for me - I love being able to cook decent-sized meals in one hit...and don't mind making some quasi-gormet stuff haha. And before somone asks how much all that food weighs...well I've worked a 30,000kJ menu for 3 to 4 days [the latter with heavy carbo-loading - aka McD's] out and it comes in at circa 2000g.
Ti, Ti, Ti....everyone is sold on that sh#t! Like...my 800ml aluminum billy with lid and bail handle that weighs only ~15g more than the MSR titanium equivalent of the same capacity. Also, it doesnt scorch my food. ALSO, it cost no more than a few Mars Bars :D
Onto the toilet trowel...ever tried digging a good-sized toilet hole in a hurry with a tent stake? Just not gonna happen. As for the Ti shovel...read the above. Expense and similar weight make it redundant. Well, might it break you reasonably ask? Uh...if it does then I'd need a pick for the ground anyway. As for toilet paper, why wipe your behind with a leaf? And what if there arent leaved trees around? Pine needles? No thanks, haha. And yeah, a full roll isnt necessary. Hey - pocket tissues would probably do.
Poles...I dont use trekking poles because they generally give me the sh#ts. Its a personal thing...I just dont particularly like them, I'd prefer to have my hands free.
One more consideration that I'm posing...with a total pack weight of 20lb or less, why try and skimp on things? What have done is found a weight that is comfortable for me...and crammed as many things into that weight as possible, starting with nessecities first and 'luxuries' dead last. I think more people should try this approach instead of just trying to skimp on everything - you might even enjoy it more!
Again, thanks for the insights and responses all,
Cheers - boingk