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Brian Reyman
(breyman) - M

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Own Both - Use One on 12/17/2012 19:00:45 MST Print View

I still own both - a Fly Creek UL2 for those very rare instances when I go to ground for a trip. Honestly, though, I hang absolutely every time I can. The tent is only for emergency trip backup.

Jared Baker
(simply_light) - MLife

Locale: Midwest, US
+1 Both on 01/12/2013 04:39:25 MST Print View

I like to hang, but I also like to go to ground. So, I do it about half and half. Of course when the family comes, it is tent all the way.

Doug Smith
(Jedi5150) - F

Locale: Central CA
hanging on 12/05/2013 18:38:26 MST Print View

I'd love to try a hammock, just to see what all the fuss is about, but unfortunately I never backpack without my dog. Dogs make backpacking so much more enjoyable IMHO, almost like having a (little) person to enjoy the experience with, since my family isn't into it.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: hanging on 12/05/2013 18:41:23 MST Print View

I know folks who hammock with their dogs. At least one even has their dog in their hammock with them (and I'm talking a golden here, not some tiny dog).

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: hanging on 12/05/2013 18:45:34 MST Print View

Hammocks are great with dogs. They can sleep right under you and do better when not closed in by a tent.

Doug Smith
(Jedi5150) - F

Locale: Central CA
hanging dogs :) on 12/05/2013 19:01:58 MST Print View

Doug and Katharina, now you've got me curious. My dog that backpacks with me is a 60 lb Malinois (my 80 pound Mal stays home). She is sort of a wuss when it comes to temperature changes (hot or cold), and loves snuggling up with me. Inside the hammock might work...

As for your suggestion, Katharine, of under the hammock, how would I protect her from the elements (wind/ thundershowers), and keep her from chasing critters (which she does off-lead)? Do you just tie them out close enough that they can sleep under it if they choose?

When picturing scenarios, I'm talking about the Sierras in the summer. That is my primary backpacking location and time of year.

Thanks! (sorry for the thread hijack...maybe I should start a new one).

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: hanging dogs :) on 12/05/2013 19:24:59 MST Print View

Hi Doug,
I have only taken my dog on three trips with me and the hammock. He sleeps under me on a Ridgerest. He has a little blanket but won't keep in on. The tarp I use is pretty big and covers us well but I have not been out with him in the rain. He will get up and walk around but he is pretty deaf now and does not run around too much. I don't tie him down either. So I don't have a whole lot of experience with him on the trail, but in the tent he was not comfortable as he could not see what was going on...

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: hanging dogs :) on 12/05/2013 19:29:17 MST Print View

"He has a little blanket but won't keep in on."

I bought one of these for my pup when she's napping outside in cold weather. This would probably work well too.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
hanging on 12/07/2013 16:20:33 MST Print View

I have been gradually migrating to a system that is primarily a hammock, but can be dropped to the ground when hanging is not feasible.

You need a tarp with a hammock and that same tarp works when your on the ground.
The hammock acts kind of like a bivy and if your hammock has a bug net, it makes your hammock into a bug bivy when your on the ground.

For the people who don't understand why a hammock is better than ground camping, other than the comfort factor, there are many places that are difficult or horribly uncomfortable to ground camp.

Your options open up when you have the option to do either.

Marshy, muddy, sloping, rocky, ... areas are no concern with a hammock.
I have hung over thick berry bushes, jagged rocks and puddles.

You do not have to be limited to established camp sites with the obnoxious people and/or critter problems. Go hang in the bush.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: "Still own both" on 12/07/2013 19:02:16 MST Print View

Yup, still own both, but if I'm solo and there will be trees, well only a barbarian would sleep in the dirt :)

If you like to tarp camp anyway, you could work your way towards a tarp that would work for both. I want something like a 12'x'10' Cuben tarp. Many of the hammock spcifiec tarps are more of a hex cut with cat curves, so the low side ends up a little short for optimal ground camping, while the ridge line is 11'-12', which is a bit long compared to most ground tarps.

A CCF pad is the best way to get really UL with a hammock (although it isn't my favorite), the point being that is another item you can share between the two systems. ENO has come out with the Hot Spot pad holder that will use your 20" pad and has additional CCF padded wings to cover your hips and shoulders.

Also, I have yet to buy a quilt and use my sleeping bag in my hammock. Your top quilt or sleeping bag can be used in either system as well.

If you do the CCF pad option, get a tarp sized for ground and hammock, and a typical quilt or sleeping bag, all you would need to add is a polycryo ground sheet and you could do it all.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: "Still own both" on 12/07/2013 21:02:12 MST Print View

"I want something like a 12'x'10' Cuben tarp."

I've got a 12x12 cuben tarp from zPacks. Worked great as a hammock tarp until I bought a hammock tarp.

Marc Eldridge
(meld) - MLife

Locale: The here and now.
Re: "hammock in, tent out?" on 12/07/2013 21:46:57 MST Print View

"I've got a 12x12 cuben tarp from zPacks."

I emailed around a while back and got quotes for a 12x12 and Zpacks was the cheapest. Never followed up however. I did get the hammock tarp w/doors which is great.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
hammock in, tent out? on 12/09/2013 16:12:35 MST Print View

One option for my question:
"So I end up bringing a blow-up pad as well as a quilt which adds too much weight.
I hope to get a compromise worked out over the winter.
Any suggestions?"

Klymet Inertia X Wave 11 ounces. It is wide enough to contribute bottom warmth, allowing a lighter bottom quilt. Not 11 ounces lighter, but maybe 5 or 6?

And I would have some decent padding should I have to go ground.

Edited by brooklynkayak on 12/10/2013 14:32:50 MST.

James Lee
(JLeephoto) - F

Locale: Triad
Tying Trees Together since 2013 on 12/14/2013 23:43:37 MST Print View

I just made the switch from searching for flat spots to searching for two trees to tie together. Will probably keep the tent for trips with the spouse. Slept the first night in a hammock, my best night ever in the wild, and I was "all in."

Three biggest discoveries were: It takes a lot more insulation to deal with the cold in a hammock (specifically underneath, the hammock can be the least expensive part of the equation, and if you want to go light you have to spend more due to the need for down underquilts, syl or cuban tarps, etc.

FWIW: If you're wondering how you'd do in a hammock, you can make a nice one yourself with no sewing skills by getting a nylon taffeta tablecloth (tableclothfactory.com) for $12 and whipping the ends. A couple of carabiners and some 1" nylon tree straps (I use canoe tie downs) and you're hanging. Check out the DIY threads at hammockforums.net.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: hammock in, tent out? on 12/14/2013 23:52:59 MST Print View

Filthy ground dweller here. I don't get all the hype about hammocks. I've used them and like them for warmer weather but I can get by better on the ground.

Todd Kunze
(kunzman)

Locale: North Coast
hammock vs. tent on 12/21/2013 10:12:07 MST Print View

I still have both. Warmer weather is hammock time. As the weather gets colder you have to start adding more stuff to stay warm in a hammock. It can be done though.